Opinion Changes for Round 2 vs The Blues

[BulldogMuscle]

Sweet has a bit of forward craft in him.

Has been the only multiple goal kicker in our last vfl practice outings.. I'd put him straight in

 

[The 4th Horseman]

In: Sweet, Duryea, O’Brien
Out: Smith, Hannan, Cordy

Wouldn’t mind if Martin comes in instead of Sweet but would love to see us use the structure from the first 6 rounds of last season with English playing forward and pinch hitting in the ruck. This would allow support for Naughton and we look far more threatening.

If O’Brien is ready, he’s straight in for Cordy. Zaine is a liability these days, just far too slow.

Carlton have improved but we should still have them covered. Expecting us to bounce back and win by 3-4 goals.

 

[dergert]

Finally tracked someone down who went to the VFL practice match.

JUH and West were bog.

 

[Golden_6]

Finally tracked someone down who went to the VFL practice match.

JUH and West were bog.

I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing both in if correct for Cordy & VDM. Reward the form.

 

[weltschmerz]

Finally tracked someone down who went to the VFL practice match.

JUH and West were bog.

If JUH has form back, bring him in. A Naughton, Sweet/English, JUH forward line could be potent.

 

[dogwatch]

I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing both in if correct for Cordy & VDM. Reward the form.

West for Vandermeer is not like-for-like unfortunately. VDM has pace, West does not. If VDM is out it should be for a player like Garcia, Jones or McNeil.

However West has footy smarts that VDM may lack. Just not sure who comes out for him, and anyway Wallis might still be first in line for the gig - he's a proven goalkicker with physical strength. We were too easily brushed aside on Wednesday.

 

[Dazb86]

In - Sweet, JUH, Scott

Out - Cordy, Libba, Vandemeer

*I feel like Libba shouldn't play unless he's the inside mid.

 

[weltschmerz]

West for Vandermeer is not like-for-like unfortunately. VDM has pace, West does not. If VDM is out it should be for a player like Garcia, Jones or McNeil.

However West has footy smarts that VDM may lack. Just not sure who comes out for him, and anyway Wallis might still be first in line for the gig - he's a proven goalkicker with physical strength. We were too easily brushed aside on Wednesday.

West does have that physical strength. He’s very tough to tackle.

 

[Claythesmiths]

In - Sweet, JUH, Scott

Out - Cordy, Libba, Vandemeer

*I feel like Libba shouldn't play unless he's the inside mid.

Libba is 29 and he's going to have to transition towards fewer mid minutes to maintain some career longevity, particularly as guys like Dunkley and Smith surpass him, if they haven't already. He still has a lot to offer. If he's fit, he plays.

 

[weltschmerz]

Libba is 29 and he's going to have to transition towards fewer mid minutes to maintain some career longevity, particularly as guys like Dunkley and Smith surpass him, if they haven't already. He still has a lot to offer. If he's fit, he plays.

Plus Bont is under an injury cloud at the moment.

 

[Del165892]

I could see West and JUH coming in for Bont and Cordy

 

[Spiritof82]

Has been the only multiple goal kicker in our last vfl practice outings.. I'd put him straight in

Just get him to play like he did in the first reserves game he played for us, think he was rubbed out for a few weeks but we need someone with the courage to throw their weight around.

 

[Keystone agony]

Latest on Bont? Is it just a battle to get up for Thursdays game

Did Stef Martin play in the practice match? Howd he go

 

[dogwatch]

I could see West and JUH coming in for Bont and Cordy

They might name Bont anyway and give him until late Thursday afternoon to show he's fit.

Keep your eye on the named subs.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Latest on Bont? Is it just a battle to get up for Thursdays game

Did Stef Martin play in the practice match? Howd he go

Minor ankle sprain. Bont will be a solid maybe

 

[Proffessor]

The ability of people to project their pre-conceived notions onto their recall of actual events, never ceases to amaze.

Reading some of the posts on this forum motivated me go and watch the replay to make sure that I didn't miss something that I must have missed from my vantage point at the G, that everyone else saw on the TV coverage re: Cordy's performance.

What did I see?
I again saw Schache put in a howler, saw VDM, Weightman and Hannan not only fail to impact the contest significantly but also fail to prevent their opponents from clogging up space and making things harder for the other Bulldog forwards. I saw perennial fringe players like Roarke Smith

37

Roarke Smith

Age

29

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

6.1

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.4

2star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

and Ryan Gardner

43

Ryan Gardner

Age

28

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.8

3star

MG

45.0

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

45.0

1star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

MG

45.0

1star

make several poor decisions resulting in costly turnovers. Also saw some of our firmly established senior players like Williams, Macrae and Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

make some uncharacteristic but no less disapointing turnovers/mistakes.

But what of Zaine Cordy

21

Zaine Cordy

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

? I saw him back up English in the ruck and help us not get smashed in that area as we have done in previous matches against Melbourne, saw him running backwards and forwards trying to help balance out our lack of height across the field, saw him competing in the air and helping to cause spillages that we benefitted from.

Admittedly I didn't see a lot of him as he didn't get much of the footy himself but that wasn't necessarily all his fault, he didn't have it kicked towards him often, and when it was, it certainly wasn't directed to his advantage.

The single notable in-play mistake was when he was harshly penalised for front on contact when going back into a pack with the flight.

Not sure how dropping him is going to fix a range of team performance deficiencies that he essentially had nothing to do with, but clearly I must have watched a different match to many on this forum, both in person and then again on the television replay.

 

[cecil]

The ability of people to project their pre-conceived notions onto their recall of actual events, never ceases to amaze.

Reading some of the posts on this forum motivated me go and watch the replay to make sure that I didn't miss something that I must have missed from my vantage point at the G, that everyone else saw on the TV coverage re: Cordy's performance.

What did I see?
I again saw Schache put in a howler, saw VDM, Weightman and Hannan not only fail to impact the contest significantly but also fail to prevent their opponents from clogging up space and making things harder for the other Bulldog forwards. I saw perennial fringe players like Roarke Smith and Ryan Gardner make several poor decisions resulting in costly turnovers. Also saw some of our firmly established senior players like Williams, Macrae and Caleb Daniel make some uncharacteristic but no less disapointing turnovers/mistakes.

But what of Zaine Cordy? I saw him back up English in the ruck and help us not get smashed in that area as we have done in previous matches against Melbourne, saw him running backwards and forwards trying to help balance out our lack of height across the field, saw him competing in the air and helping to cause spillages that we benefitted from.

Admittedly I didn't see a lot of him as he didn't get much of the footy himself but that wasn't necessarily all his fault, he didn't have it kicked towards him often, and when it was, it certainly wasn't directed to his advantage.

The single notable in-play mistake was when he was harshly penalised for front on contact when going back into a pack with the flight.

Not sure how dropping him is going to fix a range of team performance deficiencies that he essentially had nothing to do with, but clearly I must have watched a different match to many on this forum, both in person and then again on the television replay.

If you're playing as the 2nd tell forward you need to draw the ball to you. It's a big reason why we were turning the ball over through the middle as the half backs had to try and force the issue as it was Naughton or nothing down the line.

It's not the Cordy is a bad player, it's that he's unfortunately become a bit of a nothing player.

 

[Sharpiesadog]

The ability of people to project their pre-conceived notions onto their recall of actual events, never ceases to amaze.

Reading some of the posts on this forum motivated me go and watch the replay to make sure that I didn't miss something that I must have missed from my vantage point at the G, that everyone else saw on the TV coverage re: Cordy's performance.

What did I see?
I again saw Schache put in a howler, saw VDM, Weightman and Hannan not only fail to impact the contest significantly but also fail to prevent their opponents from clogging up space and making things harder for the other Bulldog forwards. I saw perennial fringe players like Roarke Smith and Ryan Gardner make several poor decisions resulting in costly turnovers. Also saw some of our firmly established senior players like Williams, Macrae and Caleb Daniel make some uncharacteristic but no less disapointing turnovers/mistakes.

But what of Zaine Cordy? I saw him back up English in the ruck and help us not get smashed in that area as we have done in previous matches against Melbourne, saw him running backwards and forwards trying to help balance out our lack of height across the field, saw him competing in the air and helping to cause spillages that we benefitted from.

Admittedly I didn't see a lot of him as he didn't get much of the footy himself but that wasn't necessarily all his fault, he didn't have it kicked towards him often, and when it was, it certainly wasn't directed to his advantage.

The single notable in-play mistake was when he was harshly penalised for front on contact when going back into a pack with the flight.

Not sure how dropping him is going to fix a range of team performance deficiencies that he essentially had nothing to do with, but clearly I must have watched a different match to many on this forum, both in person and then again on the television replay.

I like Zaine, his commitment to the cause is never in question And he gave a physical contest in the ruck on Wednesday.

However, my concerns are:

As a key back or forward he is not big enough to be the number 2 in either area, nor quick enough to be the third defender or forward. As a second forward he is not a goal threat, does not draw the ball to him and so his man can zone off and affect other contests, ie stop Naughty marking it. His skills aren’t good enough as a second forward for him to be a goal threat.

So I would rather see Gardener or Schache in defence, or JUH or Schache forward. For me he only plays if injuries make it a necessity. As a third forward I prefer Wallis, or even Hannan.

 

[Proffessor]

If you're playing as the 2nd tell forward you need to draw the ball to you. It's a big reason why we were turning the ball over through the middle as the half backs had to try and force the issue as it was Naughton or nothing down the line.

It's not the Cordy is a bad player, it's that he's unfortunately become a bit of a nothing player.

It’s not entirely clear what Cordy’s role was, but it is clear that it wasn’t a standard second tall forward role.

He spent time in the ruck, time down back and time as a defensive tall forward were he was likely instructed to do anything but take his opponent towards the ball.

Suggesting he has become a nothing player is yet another popular myth. He was very successful as one of our two KPDs last year in a season where we made the grand final, and had a pretty miserly defence. He also happened to be the best of our 2 KPDs in the GF.

The criticism of Cordy on this forum has bordered on pathological.

So has the support for Gardner, whose performance in people’s minds seems inversely proportional to the time he spends in the team.

Cordy should still be our 1st choice 2nd KPD behind Keath.

 

[Sharpiesadog]

It’s not entirely clear what Cordy’s role was, but it is clear that it wasn’t a standard second tall forward role.

He spent time in the ruck, time down back and time as a defensive tall forward were he was likely instructed to do anything but take his opponent towards the ball.

Suggesting he has become a nothing player is yet another popular myth. He was very successful as our one of our two KPDs last year in a season where we made the grand final, and has a pretty miserly defence. He also happened to be the best of our 2 KPDs in the GF.

The criticism of Cordy on this forum has bordered on pathological.

So has the support for Gardner, whose performance in people’s minds seems inversely proportional to the time he spends in the team.

Cordy should still be our 1st choice 2nd KPD behind Keath.

If Corey should be 2nd KPD, that is a major weakness in our team. Trouble is, we don’t have much else except to hope Gardener improves.

 

[Virgin Dog]

It’s not entirely clear what Cordy’s role was, but it is clear that it wasn’t a standard second tall forward role.

He spent time in the ruck, time down back and time as a defensive tall forward were he was likely instructed to do anything but take his opponent towards the ball.

Suggesting he has become a nothing player is yet another popular myth. He was very successful as our one of our two KPDs last year in a season where we made the grand final, and has a pretty miserly defence. He also happened to be the best of our 2 KPDs in the GF.

The criticism of Cordy on this forum has bordered on pathological.

So has the support for Gardner, whose performance in people’s minds seems inversely proportional to the time he spends in the team.

Cordy should still be our 1st choice 2nd KPD behind Keath.

Surely you can recognize the irony in you once again shitting on Gardner after saying this:

"The ability of people to project their pre-conceived notions onto their recall of actual events, never ceases to amaze."

 

[Dazb86]

Gardner has become dependable. He doesn't offer much offensively but he's not giving away silly free kicks anymore or really bad skill errors.

He's physically more capable than Cordy and matches him in every other area other than experience. For mine he has earnt his spot.

 

[Proffessor]

Surely you can recognize the irony in you once again shitting on Gardner after saying this:

"The ability of people to project their pre-conceived notions onto their recall of actual events, never ceases to amaze."

I'm not '$hitting' on Gardner, merely pointing out that his actual performance has yet to match that suggested by people who constantly argue for his selection above better performed players.

 

[Proffessor]

Gardner has become dependable. He doesn't offer much offensively but he's not giving away silly free kicks anymore or really bad skill errors.

He's physically more capable than Cordy and matches him in every other area other than experience. For mine he has earnt his spot.

How thin must your argument be when your justification is 'he's not giving away silly free kicks anymore or really bad skill errors'.

Gardner's game still has a long way to go before he is considered an automatic selection. Let's not forget he is a tall guy who seldom takes a contested mark, and currently doesn't present a marking target/option unless we are switching play and there is no opponent in his general vicinity.

He shouldn't get games just because he is slightly bigger than Cordy, who is currently a superior football player in a number of ways. There is a reason he has played over 80 more games than Gardner despite being only 6 months his senior.

 

[DueWest]

In JUH, OBrien, Sweet or Martin

Out Cordy, Schache Williams