Preview Changes Round 3 vs. Hawthorn

[Gmod23]

Hrovat in for Goodes
Other issues: Grants effort and pressure were good. Toyd played well for a 2nd game KPF. Cordy needed to keep Toyd more isolated and must lead more, in firing line but no replacements on the list (Dalrymple?).

 

[TempleKelvington]

We need to keep the structure. We must have the talls in the team. If Cordy is out then he must be replaced with a tall and as BP has suggested it may well be Hammers. I think if Goodes is to play then it should not be as sub, I think his value is better as a player who plays most of the game. I don't see him as the type who can come on and impact as such. I thought he did ok when he came on but his style won't see him instantly impact.

Grant would be a better sub.

Just on Cordy, if he is dropped, the worry for me is that we drop Redpath after one game and then Cordy after one game. I reckon these guys need to be given a decent shot. Redpath should have stayed in the team for 2 to 3 weeks and then we see.

I'd leave Ayce in for 2 more weeks.

 

[Doggies_13]

Don't really understand all the Boyd talk, yes you can look at his 4 disposals and 1 mark and say he did nothing but he continues to crash packs and bring the ball to ground he makes a contest which brings our players into it dropping him this week would be a mistake cause is Frawley and Lake are allowed to mark the ball we will get hammered. Also how many people know we got 2 goals from advantage from free kicks to Boyd within 10m of goal? How many would be calling for him out if he had taken those frees and kicked 2 goals and had 6 touches? he is a 19 year old with 11 games as long as he is crashing packs and playing his role he stays for mine and develops in the 1s

 

[King Harold]

We need to keep the structure. We must have the talls in the team. If Cordy is out then he must be replaced with a tall and as BP has suggested it may well be Hammers. I think if Goodes is to play then it should not be as sub, I think his value is better as a player who plays most of the game. I don't see him as the type who can come on and impact as such. I thought he did ok when he came on but his style won't see him instantly impact.

Grant would be a better sub.

Just on Cordy, if he is dropped, the worry for me is that we drop Redpath after one game and then Cordy after one game. I reckon these guys need to be given a decent shot. Redpath should have stayed in the team for 2 to 3 weeks and then we see.

I'd leave Ayce in for 2 more weeks.

Agree with all TK , but for us to be competitive our best chance would be to bring back Redpath for Cordy , and big red to find his preseason form.
I fear Cordy will really struggle against the Hawk defence.

 

[King Harold]

Don't really understand all the Boyd talk, yes you can look at his 4 disposals and 1 mark and say he did nothing but he continues to crash packs and bring the ball to ground he makes a contest which brings our players into it dropping him this week would be a mistake cause is Frawley and Lake are allowed to mark the ball we will get hammered. Also how many people know we got 2 goals from advantage from free kicks to Boyd within 10m of goal? How many would be calling for him out if he had taken those frees and kicked 2 goals and had 6 touches? he is a 19 year old with 11 games as long as he is crashing packs and playing his role he stays for mine and develops in the 1s

All of the above , and why the match committee won't make a change. He has been good for us and the best back up ruckman we have.

 

[Some Idiot]

Don't really understand all the Boyd talk, yes you can look at his 4 disposals and 1 mark and say he did nothing but he continues to crash packs and bring the ball to ground he makes a contest which brings our players into it dropping him this week would be a mistake cause is Frawley and Lake are allowed to mark the ball we will get hammered. Also how many people know we got 2 goals from advantage from free kicks to Boyd within 10m of goal? How many would be calling for him out if he had taken those frees and kicked 2 goals and had 6 touches? he is a 19 year old with 11 games as long as he is crashing packs and playing his role he stays for mine and develops in the 1s

Yes what he brings is admirable. The problem is when his opponents run off he can't even stay within 50 metres of them after a few seconds. We saw it with Rance today and we could see it more in the future. Maybe Hawks will play Lake on him, bet he'd like to have another 40 disposal game

 

[TempleKelvington]

Agree with all TK , but for us to be competitive our best chance would be to bring back Redpath for Cordy , and big red to find his preseason form.
I fear Cordy will really struggle against the Hawk defence.

The mistake was made last week when they dropped big Red. They will be making the same mistake again by bringing him back in and giving Ayce just the week. Need to give the big guys some continuity. I also think we need 2 rucks v the Hawks anyway. It will be interesting what they end up doing.

 

[Gmod23]

Hrovat in for Goodes
Other issues: Grants effort and pressure were good. Toyd played well for a 2nd game KPF. Cordy needed to keep Toyd more isolated and must lead more, in firing line but no replacements on the list (Dalrymple?).

 

[Doggies_13]

Yes what he brings is admirable. The problem is when his opponents run off he can't even stay within 50 metres of them after a few seconds. We saw it with Rance today and we could see it more in the future. Maybe Hawks will play Lake on him, bet he'd like to have another 40 disposal game

So who would you bring in over him? Cordy's man ran off him all day and will again, Redpaths opponent dominated in round one and Campbell would allow the same, so who comes in? or we go small and lake gets 40 marks

 

[Some Idiot]

So who would you bring in over him? Cordy's man ran off him all day and will again, Redpaths opponent dominated in round one and Campbell would allow the same, so who comes in? or we go small and lake gets 40 marks

As I said earlier I wouldn't drop him but it is s really tough decision

 

[fargy]

Would be loathe to go in with only one key forward let alone none no matter the quality. Stringer, Dickson & Crameri are all benefitting massively from having two key forwards.
I don't like the continual chopping and changing either, we need to get our forward line used to each other as quickly as possible. So we need to make a choice and stick with it for a few weeks.
If we feel we really need to change one, I wouldn't be against playing Hamling as a key forward, he could provide a contest whilst bringing more of the defensive traits.
But I'll stick with
Out: Goodes
In: Hrovat

 

[Next Waiting]

Don't really understand all the Boyd talk, yes you can look at his 4 disposals and 1 mark and say he did nothing but he continues to crash packs and bring the ball to ground he makes a contest which brings our players into it dropping him this week would be a mistake cause is Frawley and Lake are allowed to mark the ball we will get hammered. Also how many people know we got 2 goals from advantage from free kicks to Boyd within 10m of goal? How many would be calling for him out if he had taken those frees and kicked 2 goals and had 6 touches? he is a 19 year old with 11 games as long as he is crashing packs and playing his role he stays for mine and develops in the 1s

I agree with this sentiment. The one caveat I have is that we are going to play the Hawks away, Adelaide at home and then Sydney away over the next 3 rounds. Boyd has just played on Rance and there will be no let up over the next 3 weeks in the quality of defenders he'll be taking on if selected. If he plays every one of these games he's going to be a very sore and tired boy. I think a case could be made for resting him from one of these games (either Hawks or Sydney away), the rationale being that such an unrelenting task against such quality defences so early might flatten him.
How you'd structure the fwd line without him, however, is a little problematic given the under achievements of the Redpath and Cordy in the first two rounds. They will probably get further opportunity and I don't mind the suggestion of Hamling and I've always had time for Roberts and Campbell.

 

[godoggies15]

What about this for a left field option - bring in Roberts (he has had 2 and half games under his belt now) for Cordy as our 2nd tall defender and play Roughead down forward, who can also swing in as second ruck along with toyd

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Would be loathe to go in with only one key forward let alone none no matter the quality. Stringer, Dickson & Crameri are all benefitting massively from having two key forwards.

Nail. Head.

 

[fronkalicious]

What about this for a left field option - bring in Roberts (he has had 2 and half games under his belt now) for Cordy as our 2nd tall defender and play Roughead down forward, who can also swing in as second ruck along with toyd

Nope. Roughie has been superb back there. Familiarity is everything in beveridges defensive scheme, so we need continuity back there as much as possible.

I said it last week and I'll say it again. Let's not lose sight of the big picture here. Boyd stays. And hrovat should play.

Cordy and redpath have been abysmal, but the structure works. I have no idea who should play that 2nd tall role, but we need to keep the structure either way.

Given the week on the Richmond board, the irony is that a player like vickery would suit us down to the ground right now.

 

[Sharkey66]

Not sure why Goodes needs to be dropped. I think as a pure Utility he gives us flexibility as well as hardness.
If anyone has to go it is Ayce, but would be prepared to give him another week. He is almost at the last chance saloon if he plays poorly again. My preference is Campbell over Cordy anyday. But if Ayce is to go i think they will bring a quicker player.
i'm not sure Lake, Gibson, Frawley will lose much sleep over Ayce, but they might be concerned about extra pace.

I was thinking this as well and would bring in Hunter for Cordy, leave one of their tall backs without a matchup

 

[Tommycash]

I can't see any need for changes. We need to give our second tall a bit of consistency. Perhaps we'll give Campbell a go against the hawks so we can see them all fail? Perhaps take out Goodes, but I hate seeing players come in against teams like the Hawks and then to be subsequently dropped. But I guess we have to throw them to the wolves some time, and they probably will be able to take care of themselves.

 

[DognBones]

The KPF issue is indeed a conundrum. What looked like a good setup pre-season now looks very ineffective. I know Boyd competes in the air but generally he's struggling and the other options have been poor.
Cordy will probably be useless against Hawks, too slow too light. Redpath by all accounts was ordinary yesterday but he's strong and could impose himself more than Cordy. Hamling to me looks like a very promising backman.
If we left both Cordy and Redpath out, we would probably be no worse off.
I'm glass half full on this! Need to refill my glass!

 

[StringyDog]

I really can't see Goodes being dropped, he is in side to add some physicality and protection and he are going up against the hardest and most brutal of opponents, no change for me.

 

[Butane]

2 weeks in a row T.Boyd's opponent has been hailed as the next Matthew Scarlett. Having said that, I don't want to change the team while we're winning. Might hit a point where that will work against us but I think we're all on a good ride at the moment and a regression to the mean game is more than stomachable for supporters if it happens.

 

[dish licker]

Get some games into Redpath , give the opportunity, maybe Carlton might want Cordy

 

[GreatSouthWest]

The reality is that there shouldn't have been a change last week in Cordy for Redpath. Richmond play the same ruck formula as we do. This is an opportunity to correct that mistake and give Redpath 2-3 games opportunity, then if need be revert to Cordy/Campbell for the same period.

 

[Butane]

The reality is that there shouldn't have been a change last week in Cordy for Redpath. Richmond play the same ruck formula as we do. This is an opportunity to correct that mistake and give Redpath 2-3 games opportunity, then if need be revert to Cordy/Campbell for the same period.

Possibly a little hindsight there. I'm glad we gave Cordy a look in as he deserved the chance and Redpath was useless a week earlier. I think both will be better next time out.

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Possibly a little hindsight there. I'm glad we gave Cordy a look in as he deserved the chance and Redpath was useless a week earlier. I think both will be better next time out.

See how you can perceive the hindsight scenario, but it's not. Richmond have Maric and we have Minson. Both hewn from the same ruck stone. Griffiths and Boyd were going to be the relief ruckmen. Where was Cordy going to fit into the scheme of things in this match? Redpath is a better forward, harder body and somehow faster around the ground (imo). He would have had two weeks in a row at AFL level then a decision could have been made.

This weeks game in the middle of Antarctica against a team that runs multiple ruckmen would have been a better test and team balance compliment using Cordy than the Richmond game.

 

[The Original Swooper]

I'm not sure which of Cordy, TC or Red is our best option but what I do know is we need one of them in the team. And when we decide who it should be, we need to leave them there for a few consecutive games. We all realised 2015 was going to be another development year, suddenly 2-0 and half our fans are screaming for changes already. Where do we go if we swap Ayce for TC this week and he doesn't get a touch ? I'm happy to see some bad performances from these 3, but I believe patience and perseverance will reveal which ( if any) of the 3 will be that 10 year, 2nd KPF/ruck by seasons end.

PS. Fans calling for Toyd to be dropped to protect him from the next 3 tough weeks need a severe dose of concrete. Fitness, injury, form, whatever, I can understand, but the sooner the big fella experiences AFL against the best in the comp the better. If we wrap him up in cotton wool we end up with......Jack Watts !!!