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[Schulzycrow]

Confirmed that Cyril R has done his hammy.

AFL

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Cyril's done his 'string, but how long will he miss?

 

[DangerSloane]

So Kerridge not tagging Judd in the first half therefore allowing Judd to run amok and set up the game is the fault of playing youth or the fault of the coach for not tagging Judd from the get go? Kerridge did well on Judd in the second half which once again blows your argument to apart.

This is another point. I think that was a mistake. Gibbs, while being a quality player, is a guy that you can go head to head with and win the battle. If you let Judd run free you will get torn to shreds.

 

[PykeDream]

That's the thing, everyone on here will see his game differently depending on your view of his selection. He was one of our very few players last night that I felt confident having the ball with, his disposal was very good as it usually is. I had our top 5 as Otten, Sloane, Dougie, Vince and Thommo, do you see that differently?

No doubt I watched the game through anit-Vince tinted glasses, which makes objective analysis of his match a bit tough haha. My top 5 would be Otten, Sloane, Douglas, Thommo and Dangerfield, with Talia and Lynch unlucky to miss. Hard to argue against Vince's stats though.

Watching on my mobile, often the players look like ants in the wide angle view at the bounce. Roughly how many centre bounces did Vince contest?

 

[PykeDream]

Out: Mackay, Brown , Walker
In: Lyons, Johnston, McKernan

Not sure what to make of Porplyzia's omission, given he hasn't had a Westies game to find form after seemingly being dropped.

I would consider rotating Brodie Smith and Rutten on Franklin this week, and with Henderson on Gunston. I think Talia is our best fit for Roughead.

We'll need a three prong forward line to keep Lake, Gibson and Stratton busy - if Petrenko plays he must tag Birchall. A key objective for Lynch is to keep Guerra busy too.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Out: Mackay, Brown , Walker
In: Lyons, Johnston, McKernan

Not sure what to make of Porplyzia's omission, given he hasn't had a Westies game to find form after seemingly being dropped.

I will be absolutely amazed if Porps isn't rushed straight back in next week.
How long til Sando starts trotting out the old Craig "training form" standard?

 

[Vader]

with all due respect, these team age/experience comparisons are a load of crap ......has no bearing on outcomes

However the stats of age/games played for winning GF sides has stood the test of time

Riiigggght, so there's no correlation between GC/Melbourne/GWS having the youngest & least experienced teams - and their complete inability to be competitive against any but the worst teams in the competition?

Melbourne get a dishonorable mention, because their inept coaching (frequently directed to lose by the instructions from board level) haven't helped their cause either.

Of course there's a correlation. As players get older they get stronger physically and more consistent in their output. By the time they get to the age of 25 most of them have survived the weeding process - they either have 150+ games, or they've been delisted. The end result is that these teams generally perform at a much higher level than those with younger & less experienced age profiles. There is a very strong correlation at work here.

The upside of playing kids is that they learn and develop, progressing to become the mature talent which keeps the AFL alive. The downside is that they are frequently inconsistent and more easily pushed off the ball, beaten by larger and older players. Kerridge's game is a classic example - last week he had 14 disposals, this week he had 3. Next week he'll probably have 16 or 18 - that's the inconsistency and excitement that comes with playing the kids.

 

[PykeDream]

I will be absolutely amazed if Porps isn't rushed straight back in next week.
How long til Sando starts trotting out the old Craig "training form" standard?

I feel there's possibly more than meets the eye with this situation, Porps was not a happy man in the most recent games he played. Definitely has the potential to leave a sour taste in the mouth of supporters if Porps is brought back in lieu of a genuine tall marking option.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Riiigggght, so there's no correlation between GC/Melbourne/GWS having the youngest & least experienced teams - and their complete inability to be competitive against any but the worst teams in the competition?

Melbourne get a dishonorable mention, because their inept coaching (frequently directed to lose by the instructions from board level) haven't helped their cause either.

Of course there's a correlation. As players get older they get stronger physically and more consistent in their output. By the time they get to the age of 25 most of them have survived the weeding process - they either have 150+ games, or they've been delisted. The end result is that these teams generally perform at a much higher level than those with younger & less experienced age profiles. There is a very strong correlation at work here.

The upside of playing kids is that they learn and develop, progressing to become the mature talent which keeps the AFL alive. The downside is that they are frequently inconsistent and more easily pushed off the ball, beaten by larger and older players. Kerridge's game is a classic example - last week he had 14 disposals, this week he had 3. Next week he'll probably have 16 or 18 - that's the inconsistency and excitement that comes with playing the kids.

As long as you understand that

Player X who has played 150 games does not necessarily equal Player Y who has also played 150 games

 

[swanfan]

We lost this game first and foremost in the middle, so what can we do to fix that? Can we afford to persevere with Jacobs in his current form?

LJ for Tex is obvious. The biggest problem I have is that I can't see any players outside the team who would make it stronger.

We saw the downside of youth tonight, with our young small defenders being carved up by Carlton's small forwards. Kerridge was given a masterclass by Judd. The absence of VB really hurt us.

Lyons continues to demand selection, but who drops out and why? I see his selection as reward for good form, but not materially improving the team.

You raise a valid point, Vader but don't you think Lyons form over the past year warrants selection for McKay.

 

[Vader]

As long as you understand that

Player X who has played 150 games does not necessarily equal Player Y who has also played 150 games

I have absolutely no problem with that concept at all.

 

[Vader]

You raise a valid point, Vader but don't you think Lyons form over the past year warrants selection for McKay.

It's not exactly a like for like swap though, is it? Mackay is generally regarded as one of the quicker players in the Crows team - a team which is frequently criticised for being too slow. Lyons allegedly can't get a game because he's too slow - which begs the question just how slow he is, given that the Crows aren't exactly noted for being a quick side (Dangerfield & Henderson duly noted)?

Does Lyons deserve selection? Absolutely - it's almost impossible for him to do more in the SANFL, given that he now has something like 3 or 4 BOG performances so far this season.

Does Mackay deserve to be dropped? Porps and Vince were - and it's debatable that Mackay has been better than them (though he's definitely better than Johncock & Callinan).

Should Lyons replace Mackay? Probably not, because they're not particularly similar as players and it's hard to see how the deckchairs could be shuffled to cover for the fact that we're replacing a quick player with a particularly slow one. If Mackay were to be replaced, then surely it should be by one of the quicker players outside the current team - probably Brodie Martin. Given the choice, I'd prefer an out of form but hard working Mackay over an in form Brodie Martin. I just flat out don't rate Martin very highly at all.

As for who Lyons could/should replace.. that's not a particularly easy question. I would have selected him in an instant if Thompson was rubbed out by the MRP last week. That would have been like for like. Lyons is a clearance winner, same as Thompson. Thompson isn't particularly quick, so Lyons' lack of pace wouldn't have made that much difference. Thompson survived the MRP and Lyons' chance disappeared in a puff of Tribunal logic.

 

[Vader]

Surely we can turn McKay into a tagger. And are you saying that kerridge is going to play out his entire career as a tagger. Talk about pigeon holing a player.

His whole career? Who knows? He's certainly been selected on that basis right now.

As for Mackay.. I don't think he has the attributes that make a good tagger. But that's just my opinion. Feel free to differ.

 

[Jack is Back]

Lyons is definitely a candidate for our plan for outsourcing the development of KIDS.

Acouple of years with Melbourne and then we get him back when he has 50 games under his belt.

If the choice is to go with a twenty year old KID (well technically too old to be a kid now, where have those last two seasons gone?) or
A) The unfit former small defender who is being reinvented as a 30 year old forward
B) The non-tackling 30 year old small forward who can really make his occasional possession count (except in finals)
c) The very skillful one armed small forward who can't tackle
D) The skillful but lazy midfielder who turns up every fifth game whether he needs to or not

The answer is E) All of the above.

Let's also drop Kerridge because he didn't take Judd apart and I also thought Laird was a bit quiet in the first quarter.

 

[WWSD]

It's was great seeing young Brodie Smith back in action on the weekend. Talented young player who had a break-out season last year. No doubt he has been sorely missed during the first few Rounds of the season. He was an intregal part of the Crows back six structure last year.

PS: I have a man crush on Matthew Wright.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

FF: Jaensch - Johnston - McKernan
HF: Vince - Jenkins - Douglas
C: Mackay - Thompson - Henderson
HB: Smith - Talia - Reilly
FB: Otten - Rutten - Laird
1st: Jacobs - Dangerfield - Sloane
Int: Kerridge - Lyons - Lynch
Sub: Wright

In: Lyons - Johnston - McKernan
Out: Walker - Brown - Petrenko

I like this side & was thinking the same about going tall.

My thinking:
B: Brown, Rutten, Otten
HB: Lynch, Talia, Smith
C: Dangerfield, Sloane, Vince
HF: Jaensch, Jenkins, Douglas
F: McKernan, Johnston, Johncock
R: Jacobs, Kerridge, Thompson
I: Wright, Laird, Lyons, Henderson (sub)

In: Lyons, Johnston, McKernan, Johncock
Out: Mackay, Reilly, Walker, Petrenko

Both LJ & Smack are in good form & should be picked. 1. To stretch the Hawks defenders. 2. McKernan to give Jacobs more of a chop-out in ruck (if Sauce doesn't play well this week, then time to rest him for Angus). 3. LJ has the finishing class.

Stiffy is in form, Petrenko isn't. Wright & Jaensch can add the forward line pressure that Pets does. Wright to revert to prevous week's role up forward with occassional run on the ball.

Mackay & Reilly both out to find form in the SANFL. Lyons is in form so a good replacement for Mackay. Lynch to take Reilly's role with Otten.

Kerridge on Mitchell from the 1st bounce (so he may be running off a HFF).

Assuming Brown pulls up OK.

No Porps as he needs a run in the SANFL to find form too.

 

[JP Sauce]

What's the latest on Brown? With all the Walker talk I haven't heard anything about him.

 

[Wood_Duck]

McKernan is a guaranteed in.

 

[BUTTON 92]

Hopefully he gets rubbed out, will make for a more enjoyable game.

Take your trolling somewhere else you muppett. Hopefully you can beat us without another mammoth armchair ride champ!

 

[McCauley]

Its a cheap cop out, but I get the feeling seeing Tex on the boundary iced up would have upset the team and taken away their focus from the game.

They say footy is played above the shoulders, I wonder mentally if that image of Tex iced up and dejected was the right move. In hindsight keeping him in the change room with a medico would have been the way to go. Just a thought.

We kicked more goals than the Blues after HT, IF Thompson wasnt tackled I50 in the 4th by the umpire, to his credit did a great defensive role (thats the umpire) we would have bought the margin down to about less than 2 kicks.

2kicks can be made up in 2 minutes with a lot of luck.

 

[McCauley]

Reilly had 1 tackle. Trailed his player all day and had efficiency of 65 with 14 uncontested possessions (7 marks as well). What the **** is wrong with him?

When I saw Reilly get owned by one of the mosquito fleet and kick a goal, that summed up his day. He toyed with him and ran around him as if he was a witch hat.

 

[McCauley]

Sloane played a great game. However, I saw his disposal ie. his kicks were shocking, in fact he wasnt alone some of the disposal and kicking was embarrassing. Some kicked well to Otten which was great to see. Then I had to see how shocking he is for a kick for goal.

You wouldnt bet anything on Otten kicking for a goal 30m out on any angle, hell even straight in front.

 

[Coopers]

Out: Mackay, Brown, Walker, Reilly, Jacobs
In: Lyons...

Ah, **** it.

 

[1970crow]

His whole career? Who knows? He's certainly been selected on that basis right now.

As for Mackay.. I don't think he has the attributes that make a good tagger. But that's just my opinion. Feel free to differ.

why not. he's meant to be quick. he's been in the system a fair while so his endurance should be pretty good. he's supposed to have some pace. and the most important thing is that he's playing off a hbf which means that he must have defensive skills and the ability to run with his opponent.

what disappoints me is that, to use diving parlance, some of our experienced players are being given jobs with a low degree of difficulty and performing them barely adequately. we give a young and inexperienced player a job with a high degree of difficulty and he comes under the microscope for performing no worse than the experienced players.

 

[BigLefty]

How bad in Dangerfield knee?

Should he be rested until he is ready to go or should he pay as a full time forward and taken out of the midfield?

This is an important question. and how much will playing each week slow his recovery?

We have to balance/consider his reduced output over say 6 or 7 weeks, to not having him at all for 2 or 3 then being back to 100%.

Same goes for Jacobs IMO.

 

[Godallblighty]

Surely we'll play McKernan and Johnston together from now on if Walker has long term damage. May only have been Sturt but Smack's five goals makes him pickable, finally.

Smack kicks 5...against Sturt. Johnson kicks 7...against Sturt. Johncock kicks 7...against Sturt. I don't live in SA and am not really up on the SANFL but I'm starting to think that kicking a bag against Sturt is about as reliable an indication of form as, say, beating the Bulldogs by 8 goals.