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[WWSD]

I remember there was a game in Tasmania between Hawthorn and St Kilda in 2009. During that week the Saints had a lot of injuries and some of their senior players pulled out just before the game. In the end Ross Lyon managed to steer his team to victory that day and we got smashed.

My point is, though you've lost two very good players, but at the same time it's a great opportunity for another two players to come in and fill in for the other players. Who knows, this could mean a breakout game from the likes of Sutcliffe, Sheridan, Neale and co. You should not underestimate your side at all. I reckon you'll still win this game.

 

[jusjoshin]

Josh Simpson played a blinder in the WAFL last w/e. We might roll the dice on him.

 

[Simmofreo]

Josh Simpson played a blinder in the WAFL last w/e. We might roll the dice on him.

Why though, we lost mids and defenders

 

[strobe00]

Depth is there, but it would seem there isn't enough match preparation for those in waiting.

So who is ready to go? That's what matters the most.

Neale
Sylvia (?)
Ibbotson (?)
Crozier
Silvagni (?)
C Pearce (?)

Those with (?) may not have enough fitness I'm lead to believe.

I think if Ibbotson comes in, with Neale, the next hardest is choosing who takes that extra midfield spot. The only one who can possibly get near the level of Barlow/Fyfe in that group is Sylvia, IMO.

The other option for the midfield is to shift Suban in. De Boer into the midfield and Suban into the pressure forward job might also work. Either of those options would be my preference vs. bringing Sylvia in.

Sylvia has the inside mid ability, but I don't know if he has the fitness to avoid becoming a liability re: the necessary two way running. Two way running will be absolutely critical this week, as any weakness there will be exploited by the Hawks. De Boer will have no problem in that respect, and Suban should be OK there as well.

As for the extra body, maybe Crozier in as the sub and Shero to shift into the 21.

 

[clogged]

The other option for the midfield is to shift Suban in. De Boer into the midfield and Suban into the pressure forward job might also work. Either of those options would be my preference vs. bringing Sylvia in.

Sylvia has the inside mid ability, but I don't know if he has the fitness to avoid becoming a liability re: the necessary two way running. Two way running will be absolutely critical this week, as any weakness there will be exploited by the Hawks. De Boer will have no problem in that respect, and Suban should be OK there as well.

I'd have more faith if Suban had ever shown an ability to reliably accumulate possessions. My feelings on Suban is that if the ball doesn't come to him, he doesn't get it. He lacks the ability to read the ball in general play that better players like Fyfe and Barlow can. Those two have an instinctive knowledge of where the ball will be before anyone else.

De Boer and Mzungu would be my picks for rejigging the midfield. Suban is an option for starting in the centre square when there is less congestion, but beyond that he will be beaten by better players to the ball 9 times out of 10.

 

[Righteo]

This definitely puts the strain on some of our underdone players returning from injury.

OUT: Barlow Fyfe Dawson
IN: Neale Ibbo Silvagni

Suban to midfield, Ibbo to take his vacated spot in defence and Silvagni comes in to keep our defensive structures as unchanged as possible. For me simply playing Johnson as the second key defender doesn't work.

 

[Simmofreo]

I think Sylvia will come in. We didn't recruit him for nothing. He has to get a shot eventually so why not while we are short. RTB, webber and Loyd all mentioned that he trained well.

Morra the sub

 

[jusjoshin]

Why though, we lost mids and defenders

Allows De Boer to go into the middle.

Not saying it is likely, but we were listing possible ins.

 

[Simmofreo]

Allows De Boer to go into the middle.

Mmm interesting thought. Would love josh to surprise everyone

 

[strobe00]

I'd have more faith if Suban had ever shown an ability to reliably accumulate possessions. My feelings on Suban is that if the ball doesn't come to him, he doesn't get it. He lacks the ability to read the ball in general play that better players like Fyfe and Barlow can. Those two have an instinctive knowledge of where the ball will be before anyone else.

It's true. He hasn't shown much as a ball winning midfielder.

De Boer and Mzungu would be my picks for rejigging the midfield. Suban is an option for starting in the centre square when there is less congestion, but beyond that he will be beaten by better players to the ball 9 times out of 10.

I'd disagree with the bolded if you're saying that Suban isn't much chop at clearances. From what I've seen, Suban is quite good around clearances. When it's his job to go in and get it, he generally quite effective. Also very aggressive.

The issue is where he runs after the clearance has broken up. I think he'd at least halve the contest onball. But winning the ball outside of the contest is where I think he'd be beaten by more accomplished mids.

De Boer has good hands in tight, but still seems too defensively minded at times. His first instinct seems to be to wait and see what happens a bit, rather than just going flat stick at the ball. I'd love to see him get that as a job. He doesn't have the subtlety of movement that Fyfe and Barlow do, but he's a very effective battering ram, and his hands are at least as good as Fyfe's... maybe not quite at Barlow's level though.

I suspect it'll be Suban that gets the job, as Ross might want to keep the pressure up in the forward half/midfield by using De Boer in his usual role. But who knows? Will be interesting, regardless.

 

[Simmofreo]

Any chance Pav or Mayne might kick any goals soon ?? It's a shame that Barlow has kicked a few floating forward in the first couple of games

 

[pavsbootlace]

Depth is there, but it would seem there isn't enough match preparation for those in waiting.

So who is ready to go? That's what matters the most.

Neale
Sylvia (?)
Ibbotson (?)
Crozier
Silvagni (?)
C Pearce (?)

Those with (?) may not have enough fitness I'm lead to believe.

I think if Ibbotson comes in, with Neale, the next hardest is choosing who takes that extra midfield spot. The only one who can possibly get near the level of Barlow/Fyfe in that group is Sylvia, IMO.

Exactly. With Barlow and Fyfe gone we lose a shed load of clearance power. Sylvia is the next best bet. Just praying he's fit enough.

 

[Righteo]

DPearce a smokey to play predominantly as an inside mid the next few weeks? His inside work is actually pretty underrated, Sheridan or even a Crozier to take his spot on the wing/HFF?

Don't think we can afford to play MDB too much in the middle, this week especially He actually has an important job this week with Hawthorn's gun running defenders. Probably gets the job on Birchall.

 

[FalcoX]

Any chance Pav or Mayne might kick any goals soon ?? It's a shame that Barlow has kicked a few floating forward in the first couple of games

Pav goes alright at the G, averages close to 5 goals a game in his last five games there. With no Lake he can hopefully kick a bag

 

[Mike I]

DPearce a smokey to play predominantly as an inside mid the next few weeks? His inside work is actually pretty underrated, Sheridan or even a Crozier to take his spot on the wing/HFF?

Don't think we can afford to play MDB too much in the middle, this week especially He actually has an important job this week with Hawthorn's gun running defenders. Probably gets the job on Birchall.

Pretty much the same thought I had. Walters and Pearce both spent time inside against Collingwood, and I thought they did a good job.

 

[HolyWars]

It's a god damn cripple fight this Friday!

 

[HolyWars]

Sylvia must play. He has done very well against us in the past.

 

[Righteo]

It's a god damn cripple fight this Friday!

That's the thing really, as much as I have to admit no Hodge/Mitchell/Lake etc would greatly improve our chances of a win (and likewise for you with Fyfe and Barlow out), this game is a genuine blockbuster and a pretty rare one for our club certainly; would have been awesome to have the best players from both sides and genuine stars of the game out there on Friday. Hopefully it's still a great game.

 

[caterina]

Silvagni has only just returned to the main group after rehab and on memory has only played the one full game
Ibbo has been back with the main group longer although I think has also only played the one full game
At this stage Ibbo would be in front to come in and would match up on Gunston better than Scos

Silvagni was still in the rehab group on Thursday last week





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[caterina]

DPearce a smokey to play predominantly as an inside mid the next few weeks? His inside work is actually pretty underrated, Sheridan or even a Crozier to take his spot on the wing/HFF?

Don't think we can afford to play MDB too much in the middle, this week especially He actually has an important job this week with Hawthorn's gun running defenders. Probably gets the job on Birchall.

I have said it before but Stephen Hill is a very capable inside player, and he looks more solid this year. Hill inside, Sheridan a full game outside.





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[WWSD]

That's the thing really, as much as I have to admit no Hodge/Mitchell/Lake etc would greatly improve our chances of a win (and likewise for you with Fyfe and Barlow out), this game is a genuine blockbuster and a pretty rare one for our club certainly; would have been awesome to have the best players from both sides and genuine stars of the game out there on Friday. Hopefully it's still a great game.

I think the bottom 5-6 players for both clubs could be the deciding factor in this game. It's who's inexperienced players that step up could be the key here.

 

[StingBitten]

Crowley's a fantastic ball-winner when he's not stitching blokes up.

Give Mzungu and De Boer top tagging duties with Clanger to provide back-up whilst Crowley monsters the middle.

 

[Freo Hitman]

Ins this week will be
Zac Clarke > Hannath
Clancee > Dawson
Sylvia > Fyfe
Neale > Barlow

 

[ozzie69]

Going by history to date, RTB is not going to bring in anyone who is returning from long term injury without them being completely perfect. On this basis, Clarke, Silvagni and Ibbo are no chance, Sylvia highly unlikely. I would expect that with Fyfe, Barlow and Dawson all out that Suban will get a full game and go forward, allowing De Boer to go midfield. Lachie will also go midfield which only leaves a whole at full back. I'd say put Macca to full back and bring Mzungu or Sutcliffe to run from half back.

 

[willoblue]

loving the speculation & the left field ideas
however, a settled back 6, or at least a back 6 with some history melding together is imperative.
so Clarke tagging Hale doesn't work. Besides, does that mean Sandi goes back to cover McEvoy in their forward line when they both have a rest?
Suddenly Matt DeBoer becomes one of the most valuable team players.
He is needed as a defensive forward against those attacking Hawk backs such as Birchall.
Buuuut IMO Matt can take on the Fyfe role. Big, strong - check check
good hands & can win the pill. Matt CAN do it, but he's been programmed into becoming a defensive mid or forward so his first movement when ball is around is to nullify his opponent instead of create for his team.
His tackling is elite & his kicking is adequate, except when kicking for goal.
Let's see how he goes at getting the ball out of the square (or from a clearance quickly)
This then leads me to Neale.
This guy is a champ in the making IMO
Buuut these guys haven't had the practice working together as the incumbant, but OUT stars have been there taking up space
as for the best 22 guys, Ibbo, Clarke & Sylvia (he is easily best 22, get over it), I reckon maybe all 3 will play.
so here's my ins & outs

Out Fyfe In Neale
Out Barlow In Sylvia
Out Dawson In Ibbo
Out Hannath In Clarke (we need the extra run I think)

Sylvia to SUB

De Boer to mid
Suban to defensive forward
I think Suban does well with a task, is fantastic for short periods at a time & that short period of time suits forward play. He is also a good kick.

Of course I'd prefer Morabito to play.
Go Mora!!!