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If CEY isn't playing due to lack of footy (who knows whether it's an injury, or maybe he's not dealing with the trauma of the past 2 weeks very well as Walsh obviously had a profound effect on his career)…then Martin and Lyons would be long shots surely?

Or will Martin and Lyons be rewarded for doing the 'team first' thing and supporting the team in Perth last week?
they would be fine to come in as sub, so could mean only one comes in and the play as sub, if Atkins is named tomorrow he likely won't be sub, unless neither of these two play

Not so silly if he plays. Would be good to have him minding Ryder and Lobbe when they go forward.

no it wouldn't, would be terrible actually, I really hope pods does not play
 
Agree with this. I want Hendo out of defence.

What if Shaw replaced Hendo down back as the 7th defender?

Talia v Schulz
Hartigan v Ryder
Lever v Westhoff

Shaw 7th defender…sure he's tall for a 7th defender but he can also play 'small' if required, very agile and is better than Hendo as a pure defender.

Gives us a 'spare' tall in the team without slowing us down.
Don't mind it as long as it's an attacking role that helps run the ball and spread it wide and fast ...we play too narrow and slow and think Shaw could help , but needs to be well defined role ....
 

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Well, add Wright to the out list then. Just don't add Martin to the in's.

We need to move forward. Not recycle players who have failed in the past.
I know bad goal kicking is bad football but seriously Martin had a pretty good last year except for his finishing (which is better in the SANFL and I think would eventually transfer to AFL).

I'd play him ahead of Wright, VB, Mackay and depending on the role, even Henderson.
 
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I know bad goal kicking is bad football but seriously Martin had a pretty good last year except for his finishing (which is better in the SANFL and I think would eventually transfer to AFL).

I'd play him ahead of Wright, VB, Mackay and depending on the role, even Henderson.

That actually doesn't mean he should play. It means the players you listed shouldn't play and we are in far bigger trouble then first thought.
 

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Well, add Wright to the out list then. Just don't add Martin to the in's.

We need to move forward. Not recycle players who have failed in the past.
Don't remember Martin ever letting us down. Has pace, courage and is all heart. Never upset to see him selected. Has skills and the balls to take the game on.
 
That makes him one of 28 on the list ...I agree but comparing him to others he's not that bad just will never take us anywhere ....if you compare his season last year to VBs or wright this year he's winning by plenty
Honestly, what is it about Martin that puts him behind those guys?

Or do those guys have hidden talents that are better than Martin?

I just don't see it!
 
That makes him one of 28 on the list ...I agree but comparing him to others he's not that bad just will never take us anywhere ....if you compare his season last year to VBs or wright this year he's winning by plenty

see above - 462 for same responce.

We allegedly don't gift games. Well, we have been gifting games to crap players for about 4 years now.
 
Honestly, what is it about Martin that puts him behind those guys?

Or do those guys have hidden talents that are better than Martin?

I just don't see it!
Give him the subs vest , at least he will come on and give some energy and kick 1 goal 2...... Even the game against freo he was massive in first quarter gets subbed and not sighted since ....while others are useless ....I'm.not suggesting he's the future and Atkins should play in front of him but they both probably should given the other options
 

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Don't remember Martin ever letting us down. Has pace, courage and is all heart. Never upset to see him selected. Has skills and the balls to take the game on.

Then you are going to accept missing finals year after year.
 
Did a little dance when i saw vb out! Really didnt think it would happen! Really keen to see shaw come in, with hendo playing on the wing. Pods a chance to stretch ports depleted backline? I know he isnt a long term option, but you have to make moves to win games. Maybe this is his role this week. Look forward to a possible atkins debut but havnt seen heaps of him. Annnnnd im on the martin train. Respect what he does and got time for him! Hopefully wright out! The end.
 

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