Prediction Changes vs Brisbane

[TAFKATMS]

Unfortunately everything else is purely subjective .......one supporter says player "A" had a great game ......another supporter says he has to be dropped

Every supporter sees the game differently .......some thru beer goggles ......some look at every mistake a player makes which over shadows the good things / little things that player contributes .....coaches see the bigger picture, supporters don't

So only you and the coaches are seeing things truly? On an anonymous forum you really don't know the background of the people that are commenting so to label them as ignorant drunks when they disagree with you is a bit stupid.

Games played is not objective - there are many factors at work. Would you equate 50 games at Melbourne in the last few years with 50 games at Hawthorn?

 

[Geoffa32]

Better or worse than you expected?

With McGovern, the interesting observation i had was that after every injury layoff .....he would come back into the SANFL and perform at a really good level ......normally there's an easing back into it period at that level

About par. What n Wing was drafted I wasn't that excited by him. Think his top level is that of good SANFL player. Like Grigg.


I tend to think Walshy and Campo did not fit McGovern into their gameplan last year. Pyke had realised his pure talent and made a spot for him.

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[WaynesWorld19]

So only you and the coaches are seeing things truly? On an anonymous forum you really don't know the background of the people that are commenting so to label them as ignorant drunks when they disagree with you is a bit stupid.

Games played is not objective - there are many factors at work. Would you equate 50 games at Melbourne in the last few years with 50 games at Hawthorn?

Actually it is objective .....

Not saying i'm right ......it's my opinion only, but i generally try and back my opinion up with some rationale argument

When you put forward some reasonable arguments on topics then you'll gain some credibility as you say on an anonymous forum

In terms of games ......clubs at the bottom do tend to get games into players that end up not making it .....then turning a high number of players over to find the "gem" ......they don't tend to "trial" players for 150 games

The Crows can never be considered in the Melbourne / Richmond category .......IMO players that have gone over 100 games at this club should never be disrespected the way many supporters on this board do .......there's plaenty of ways to critique a player without being derogatory .....which really defines the poster

 

[WaynesWorld19]

About par. What n Wing was drafted I wasn't that excited by him. Think his top level is that of good SANFL player. Like Grigg.


I tend to think Walshy and Campo did not fit McGovern into their gameplan last year. Pyke had realised his pure talent and made a spot for him.

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Oh i think with McGovern it was simply getting his body AFL ready .......think first time in at least 4 years McGovern had a full pre-season

 

[jenny61_99]

Little child you are ......grow up

Way to take the high ground WW. Seriously, personal attacks are not on.

 

[jenny61_99]

jenny61_99 , here's an opportunity to scold WW.

I would have, but you appear to have beaten me to it.

 

[Mismatched]

Douglas poor form is overstated since he has moved forward

Overall a disappointing season but has seemed to have find his niche forward since the bye with brief relief stints in midfield

He's averaged 18 possessions last 3 games and hasn't missed a shot on goal for a month

He's kicking straight more than occasionally since the bye

I'd like to see Menzel or Milera pressure his spot because that could elevate us but it doesn't seem to be happening just right now

Agreed, disappointing season from a player we really needed to step up and play his best in the midfield. Deserved to be dropped 4-8 weeks ago, but the last few his forward line play has been good and there's currently no better options. Next year if hope he's fighting with Menzel, Milera and Knight for his spot.

 

[Iron]

We'll agree to disagree ......i've put my comments over ....and like any discussion, history will prove one of us right, which like Doughty's record, still won't be accepted by the average ignorant supporter that's half tanked at most games anyway

History will prove Mackay to be a good player, or history will prove that he continues to be selected?

That the coaches select him is not an argument for his selection. Otherwise you would have us believe the coaches, when sitting around the table deciding who is in and who is out, look at each other and shrug. "Well we picked him last week". No of course you don't believe that, it's nonsense.

So instead, I'd like to know what positive attributes Mackay brings to the table. How does he provide more than, say, Wigg? Or Milera? What is he doing better on a more consistent basis that allows him to be selected ahead of two players most here think have as much, if not more talent. Not to mention half the span of a career left on their side.

Honestly, not trying to provoke you when I say that so far I've only ever seen you allude to a post I haven't seen.

 

[jenny61_99]

Jenny needs to learn that she can't favour some children ahead of others. If she lets you get away with that behaviour then it will only empower you to act out again. She needs to take you to task as she did the poster who called you a nasty name. If she's going to take it upon herself to scold posters, then it's fair to expect consistency. And you agreed with her that it's just not neccessary. Now hand out, palm down Wayne, here comes jenny61_99 .

Jenny doesn't favour her children.

 

[jenny61_99]

Just everything after the warning.

But what if you've answered things before you got to the warning?

 

[jenny61_99]

We can't just go on a resting spree so close to finals, that's not very smart management. If Tex is fit this week he comes in. If Sauce is fit next week he plays. Sandilands will be playing next week so if Sauce is fit he doesn't get rested. Sloane and Betts have never needed rests over their careers so I don't see the point there. Neither have been injured all year.

We need to get our percentage up and up and up because it will be vital by round 23. resting players and weakening our team for the hell of it won't help our percentage.

Had we gone on the suggested resting spree as most in here wanted last week, would we have won by 82 points? Resting, schmesting. Play your best available team. The minute you start resting people you show your opposition no respect. Doesn't matter who it is... upsets always happen.

 

[TAFKATMS]

Actually it is objective .....

Not saying i'm right ......it's my opinion only, but i generally try and back my opinion up with some rationale argument

When you put forward some reasonable arguments on topics then you'll gain some credibility as you say on an anonymous forum

In terms of games ......clubs at the bottom do tend to get games into players that end up not making it .....then turning a high number of players over to find the "gem" ......they don't tend to "trial" players for 150 games

The Crows can never be considered in the Melbourne / Richmond category .......IMO players that have gone over 100 games at this club should never be disrespected the way many supporters on this board do .......there's plaenty of ways to critique a player without being derogatory .....which really defines the poster

Games played is objective, yes. When measuring games played.

There is no use putting forward "reasonable arguments" as you say because you just reject those opinions that you don't agree with.

If credibility is what you have on this forum then I'm not sure I want it.

 

[1970crow]

Jenny doesn't favour her children.

Missus and I ruined our lives by choosing to not have children, so we don't understand the non-favourite thing. We've got definite favourites amongst nieces and nephews though. The sister in law has 3 girls, ranked from eldest to youngest at 3,2,1. The father says the same as you, that he doesn't have favourites, but he adds that he knows which one he'd grab first if the house was on fire. Humorous at the time, probably doesn't come across that way when read in here.

 

[jenny61_99]

Missus and I ruined our lives by choosing to not have children, so we don't understand the non-favourite thing. We've got definite favourites amongst nieces and nephews though. The sister in law has 3 girls, ranked from eldest to youngest at 3,2,1. The father says the same as you, that he doesn't have favourites, but he adds that he knows which one he'd grab first if the house was on fire. Humorous at the time, probably doesn't come across that way when read in here.

Oh, I've got a favourite... (hint, I've only got one!). But yes, I think favourites amongst nieces and nephews is a given. We have 12 in total, and 4 grand nephews/nieces!

 

[Maddogmetro]

Not sure if this has been dealt with, but apparently Pyke has said Thommo will be replaced with either Grigg, Wigg or CEY. Won't be a straight swap for Tex as some have guessed.

Hoping to see a bit of Wigg, but also a big fan of CEY... he has done all he can to get a spot.

 

[Vader]

CEY has played for the AFC before he has already debuted for us. You guys sound like Campo trying to re-write history.

You do realise that the 2nd (potential) debutant in question was Wigg, not CEY? Nobody is re-writing history. You, on the other hand, seem determined to create a strawman argument to discredit posters you don't particular like.

 

[rocket18]

Did he say that about Seeds goals in response to a text? I sent one in after he originally said Mackay was better than Seeds

Someone on BF definitely sent in a text/rang, can't remember now but they mentioned the Parish thing and I think the Sherrin one to.

 

[Elite Crow]

Not sure if this has been dealt with, but apparently Pyke has said Thommo will be replaced with either Grigg, Wigg or CEY. Won't be a straight swap for Tex as some have guessed.

Hoping to see a bit of Wigg, but also a big fan of CEY... he has done all he can to get a spot.

Will be a very interesting selection if either Wigg or CEY and the rest of the midfield have big games against Brisbane who misses out against Freo for Thommo

 

[dogs105]

Will be a very interesting selection if either Wigg or CEY and the rest of the midfield have big games against Brisbane who misses out against Freo for Thommo

Maybe Thommo?

 

[rocket18]

You do realise that the 2nd (potential) debutant in question was Wigg, not CEY? Nobody is re-writing history. You, on the other hand, seem determined to create a strawman argument to discredit posters you don't particular like.

Point taken, I re-read your post and can see your debutant comment was referring to Wigg.

I don't dislike any poster, everyone on here loves the AFC, IMO some might not know what they are talking about but some would probably think the same of me. Be very boring if we all agreed on every topic.

 

[Murray2503]

Will be a very interesting selection if either Wigg or CEY and the rest of the midfield have big games against Brisbane who misses out against Freo for Thommo

Thommo no guarantee against freo, think there is no use in taking him on a long road trip and we will most likely see him against port. Unless wigg or cey play out of their skins for two weeks. Would be stupid to bring in wigg or cey for one week then out. We need to see what they can do on the road too and whether they could come into a final and deliver.

 

[Vader]

FTFY

to be fair, Mackay did lay one ripping tackle at the southern edge of the square that I remember, but not enough for a player of his experience

Stats sheet says he laid 4 tackles. The same number as Seedsman. Only Douglas, Thompson, Lyons and Brown laid more tackles.

Yet people love to perpetuate this myth that he gets ragdolled and can't tackle.

 

[Jack is Back]

Out - Thommo
In - Grigg, Wigg or someone Big?

CEY - I think that the performance of CEY in the SANFL is underrated by some. He isn't super quick but is at least as quick as Thommo, Matty Crouch and Lyons. His kicking appears awkward but his disposal efficiency is as good as our other inside mids. He definitely deserves a chance this week and if he plays I expect his output would be similar to Thommo in recent weeks.

Wigg - Has been transformed from a small defender/outside mid to an inside mid this year. I think he is a better fit for our midfield if Thommo is not playing. I would like to see him spend some time as an outside mid because this is not our strong suit. Mackay, Seedsman and Atkins have been good on occasions but it is hardly one of the strengths of our team. I have a sneaky feeling that THE MAESTRO will give him a run this week and see what he has to offer. It might also provide an opportunity for THE RAT to spend more time on the inside.

Grigg - Hopefully he stays away from trampolines this week. He has a more penetrating kick than CEY or Wigg (for those that haven't seen Wigg, think of a slightly longer kicking Luke Power. Neat and efficient but doesn't break the lines). IMHO Grigg lacks the strength of CEY as an inside mid and lacks the speed of Harry. I will be surprised if he gets a call up but I expect him to be as good as our other "bottom four" players if he is given a chance.

Out - Mackay?

I wasted another 2 hours this week watching the Essendon replay. At the game I notice all the DMac mistakes (missing easy goals, not sticking tackles, being concussed by a gentle breeze). On the replay I notice Bran Nue Mackae. His strength (similar to Hendo) is that he knows where to go and is often the release player out the back of stoppages and loose balls in the D50. His handballing was pretty good on the weekend and while you can argue that he (and Hendo) get soft possessions, it is important to our game plan that our outside mids play this role.

I still think it is a coin toss between Mackay, Seedsman and Henderson and I lament the absence of Riley Knight and the injuries to Menzel and Hampton.

 

[DJ75]

Thommo no guarantee against freo, think there is no use in taking him on a long road trip and we will most likely see him against port. Unless wigg or cey play out of their skins for two weeks. Would be stupid to bring in wigg or cey for one week then out. We need to see what they can do on the road too and whether they could come in in a final and deliver.

Maybe Wigg plays exceptional and has a Knight style finals run. Could mean when Thompson returns that Douglas is the one squeezed out. That would certainly shake things up a bit!

 

[Murray2503]

Stats sheet says he laid 4 tackles. The same number as Seedsman. Only Douglas, Thompson, Lyons and Brown laid more tackles.

Yet people love to perpetuate this myth that he gets ragdolled and can't tackle.

I think mackay's tackling is not the problem. He is a very slight guy so against the brutes his tackles don't stick which could be said of a few in the team. His big issue imo is his decision making or lack there of quick decision making under pressure such as a laird or atkins. I feel he is not quick in the mind as you need to be in finals pressure.