Prediction Changes vs Brisbane

[1970crow]

Had we gone on the suggested resting spree as most in here wanted last week, would we have won by 82 points? Resting, schmesting. Play your best available team. The minute you start resting people you show your opposition no respect. Doesn't matter who it is... upsets always happen.

Essendon rested James Kelly and it certainly cost them. And upsets don't always happen, they very rarely happen. Do you disagree with the coaches resting Thommo this week?

 

[TAFKATMS]

I swear to god this is THE most over stated phrase on this forum.

One of many logical fallacies that is used extensively on this forum.

 

[ithrowcraze]

Now Mackay
One reason Mackay get more game time than most think he should is versatility, He one of the few player that can play back forward and wing with pace in the side, He can go total defence and scarfice his game, play running defender, or move to bruise free wing roles play defensive forward or at times in the pass small forward, he had run as inside mid and outside mid. And there is not too many games where he play and stays in the same role. Only positions he has not played is any position with tall in it.
Sunday he was moved back deeper when Brown struggled for a while to give extra run, One thing missing when they played Geelong
Main problem is the Crows do not have too many player that are that versatile in the squad. Finding One for one with MacKay is hard.
And he can tackle But you must remember he is a light weight.
Again think about the full role before looking at who is better.

Good post.
Only thing I would add is he does make some glaring mistakes which is one of the reasons why he cops so much heat.
Henderson is in a similar boat to Mackay with a slight edge in my opinion.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

I still think it is a coin toss between Mackay, Seedsman and Henderson and I lament the absence of Riley Knight and the injuries to Menzel and Hampton.

Good post. Every week we have this s**t fight on BF about these 3 that tends to go for at least 4 or 5 pages. Personally I think they all have their strengths and weaknesses so it depends on injuries, recent form and match ups that determines which out of these 3 gets the nod. It will be interesting when Knight, Hampton and Menzel find form with what they'll do. For this week I'd love to see CEY play as I'll be there Saturday night; he was great last week against Port. He seems the perfect replacement for Thommo IMO but with Walker coming back in most likely it will probably be
Out: Jacobs
In: O'Brien
Out: Thommo
In: Walker
so unless they drop another mid I don't see my man CEY coming in.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Tackles have to be effective to be counted as tackles by CD. This is debated every few weeks.

Not really

A pack where it is inevitable that there is going to be a stoppage regardless of how good or bad the players involved are at tackling still counts as a tackle.

An effective tackle should be where the player with the ball has an opportunity to get clear but can't due to the tackler. The 'no prior' tackles where a stationary sitting duck in congestion gets wrapped up are next to meaningless.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Now Mackay
One reason Mackay get more game time than most think he should is versatility, He one of the few player that can play back forward and wing with pace in the side, He can go total defence and scarfice his game, play running defender, or move to bruise free wing roles play defensive forward or at times in the pass small forward, he had run as inside mid and outside mid. And there is not too many games where he play and stays in the same role. Only positions he has not played is any position with tall in it.
Sunday he was moved back deeper when Brown struggled for a while to give extra run, One thing missing when they played Geelong
Main problem is the Crows do not have too many player that are that versatile in the squad. Finding One for one with MacKay is hard.
And he can tackle But you must remember he is a light weight.
Again think about the full role before looking at who is better.

I wondered that too when he was retained after Brown and Laird went down and posted as much. Thought we'd see D-Mac at half back and this versatility was a point in his favour. I was wrong. He didn't get used at all in defence and it was Henderson and Seedsman who covered for us there. He's had one quarter at half back, which was his possession-less Q1 against Collingwood and was dropped the next week.

 

[Vhaluus]

Are we really trying to claim D-Mac can play defense? I hardly think so.

He can be a runner out of our back half but that is different from being a defender.

 

[azza77]

About par. What n Wing was drafted I wasn't that excited by him. Think his top level is that of good SANFL player. Like Grigg.


I tend to think Walshy and Campo did not fit McGovern into their gameplan last year. Pyke had realised his pure talent and made a spot for him.

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Mcgovern was nowhere near fit enough to play AFL football last year. Was constantly injured through the PS and had niggly injuries throughout the year too. Would never have been selected in the first place I dont think.

 

[relapse]

I would love to see CEY get a run this week, but I can't help but feel that Pyke will stick with Mookay.

In: Walker, ROB
Out: Jacobs, Thompson

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Are we really trying to claim D-Mac can play defense? I hardly think so.

He can be a runner out of our back half but that is different from being a defender.

He doesn't do either

 

[azza77]

Regarding Mackay v Milera v Wigg ....it's not a comparison of who's better
They have different roles, different attributes and different levels of experience


Wigg could also be a good player, but he's not a Mackay link player type - Milera is probably closest to what Mackay brings & is his obvious replacement at some stage

Yeah that's true, Wigg isnt a "Mackay link type player". Instead of blazing away blindly down the line, Wigg would hit up a team mate 30 metres on the chest

Milera would do the exact same thing. God damn these youngsters for being too good that they ruin our "link-up play" and "structures" that David Mackay is currently upholding...

 

[Vader]

Not really

A pack where it is inevitable that there is going to be a stoppage regardless of how good or bad the players involved are at tackling still counts as a tackle.

An effective tackle should be where the player with the ball has an opportunity to get clear but can't due to the tackler. The 'no prior' tackles where a stationary sitting duck in congestion gets wrapped up are next to meaningless.

Gotta love this attitude.

DABM (and others) have a stereotype which says that DMac is constantly ragdolled and incapable of laying a tackle. Stats, as recorded by Champion Data, reveal that he's actually one of the most prolific tacklers at the club. With 4.2 tackles per game, he actually has 7th highest average for tackles per game all season. The 4 tackles he laid against Essendon makes him equal 5th highest for that game. This directly contradicts the stereotype.

Solution: Don't at any costs admit that you're wrong, and that the stereotype is incorrect. Instead, change the definition of a tackle, to something you find more palatable and which (you hope) would result in Dmac having a lower tackle count, thus allowing you to argue that your (completely bogus) stereotype is actually correct.

Good grief.. What a load of bollocks.

 

[ad victoriam]

Good post.
Only thing I would add is he does make some glaring mistakes which is one of the reasons why he cops so much heat.
Henderson is in a similar boat to Mackay with a slight edge in my opinion.

Personally I wished the were others, I am Hoping that Hampton is an answer, Atkins, Knight, Wigg will learn and take over but they are a long way off maybe a year or so to add that versatility to there game. There a few in Draft but again years away.
Small versatile players are a weakness for the Crows. and experience is a key.

 

[Vader]

I would love to see CEY get a run this week, but I can't help but feel that Pyke will stick with Mookay.

In: Walker, ROB
Out: Jacobs, Thompson

I think he will stick with Mackay as well, but I don't think it's one or the other. Pyke has said that Thompson will be replaced by Grigg, CEY or Wigg.

If Mackay drops out it will be because Walker or Henderson are ready to return. Even then, Seedsman is probably first in the gun.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Gotta love this attitude.

DABM (and others) have a stereotype which says that DMac is constantly ragdolled and incapable of laying a tackle. Stats, as recorded by Champion Data, reveal that he's actually one of the most prolific tacklers at the club. With 4.2 tackles per game, he's actually has 7th highest average for tackles per game all season. The 4 tackles he laid against Essendon makes him equal 5th highest for that game. This directly contradicts the stereotype.

Solution: Don't at any costs admit that you're wrong, and that the stereotype is incorrect. Instead, change the definition of a tackle, to something you find more palatable and which (you hope) would result in Dmac having a lower tackle count, thus allowing you to argue that your (completely bogus) stereotype is actually correct.

Good grief.. What a load of bollocks.

Sure, if we ignore Isaac Smith throwing sand in his face and running away laughing and behemoths like Jed Lamb tossing him aside and look purely at the numbers then D-Mac stacks up fine.

 

[jenny61_99]

Essendon rested James Kelly and it certainly cost them. And upsets don't always happen, they very rarely happen. Do you disagree with the coaches resting Thommo this week?

No. Should he be dropped? Different question.

 

[Vader]

Sure, if we ignore Isaac Smith throwing sand in his face and running away laughing and behemoths like Jed Lamb tossing him aside and look purely at the numbers then D-Mac stacks up fine.

As I said.. anything to avoid admitting that the stereotype is wrong.

 

[ad victoriam]

I wondered that too when he was retained after Brown and Laird went down and posted as much. Thought we'd see D-Mac at half back and this versatility was a point in his favour. I was wrong. He didn't get used at all in defence and it was Henderson and Seedsman who covered for us there. He's had one quarter at half back, which was his possession-less Q1 against Collingwood and was dropped the next week.

He not the best, but we don't have too many that can change role as much as he can, During a game, So it gets him a few credits. Most top team have a few versatile players, not all good players but can fill in when things are going bad, sometimes they play shit others time they play the role. Mackay play the role more than he has shit games, Thats why the coaches like him,
ie MacKay plays back in negating roles to allowing Laird room to move. Who do we see as spectators as playing better.

 

[Coopers]

To be fair, that's also like saying Syphilis is worse than Chlamydia

Well... it probably is...

 

[dogs105]

Well... it probably is...

So which would you prefer,

 

[dylan123]

Bit of a win/win regardless who comes in for Thompson assuming it is Wigg/CEY/Grigg.

Wigg - Feel he's a bit overhyped on here (although I'm yet to actually see him play myself) but it would be nice to get a look at him and see whether he's capable of finding the ball enough at AFL level to make the most of his kicking skills.

CEY - Got plenty of time for CEY after what he was able to do last season. Hoping he's one of those guys that also seem to rise for the occasion from SANFL to AFL. Numbers wise he's killing it but often read his kicking lets him down however I thought he was more than efficient enough with the ball in hand at AFL level last year. So I'd love to see what he can do, hopefully he kills it if given the chance to really put some pressure on the other midfielders getting a game. Will be hard for him though given he'll probably only be given one game and as we've seen time and time again, guys that have been stuck in the SANFL tend to need a few games at AFL level before they adjust to the speed difference.

Grigg - Was playing some good footy until the ankle injury I thought. Seemed to be having a good pre season yet had a poor NAB cup game where he was given very little TOG. Pretty much think this will be his last year at the club but if he's given the chance it would be great for him to be able to show something, who knows what could happen from there.


Thompson is long due for a rest or two (just look at his first 6 rounds v next 11 stat wise) and now is the ideal time to get some games into any of the above should they be required come finals time. If they play well then maybe Thompson is given another week off or we look at resting someone else playing with a few niggles.

 

[headache1]

As I said.. anything to avoid admitting that the stereotype is wrong.

Against Essendon, did Mackay get brushed aside with ease by Darcy Parish, a 73kg rookie, or didn't he?

 

[rocket18]

A pack where it is inevitable that there is going to be a stoppage regardless of how good or bad the players involved are at tackling still counts as a tackle.

An effective tackle should be where the player with the ball has an opportunity to get clear but can't due to the tackler. The 'no prior' tackles where a stationary sitting duck in congestion gets wrapped up are next to meaningless.

So true and this is where Thommos tackling stats are so out of whack, he can wrap up a guy who is stationary but if they are moving even very slowly they get away or receive free for high tackle.

 

[Jack is Back]

As I said.. anything to avoid admitting that the stereotype is wrong.

IMHO sometimes Bran Nue Mackae looks better on the tellie than in real life.

In the 4th quarter against Essendon, the Bombers switched the ball across the ground to Parish. Bran Nue Mackae was lurking and watching it live he appeared to have time to at least put pressure on Parish. He chose to remain a step away from Parish which initially appeared to be an inspired decision because the ball slipped through Parish's hands. Instead of attacking the ball Bran Nue Mackae allowed THE HULK (18 year old, 2 gamer Aaron Francis) to take possession of the ball and then laid a huge tackle which Francis broke through and Essendon subsequently kicked a goal.

I ask other posters who were in the Western Stand (it happened right in front of me......) whether I misinterpreted what happened. The vision on the tellie was not as damning but several fans around me expressed their "delight" towards BNM when it happened.

 

[Jars458]

Gotta love this attitude.

DABM (and others) have a stereotype which says that DMac is constantly ragdolled and incapable of laying a tackle. Stats, as recorded by Champion Data, reveal that he's actually one of the most prolific tacklers at the club. With 4.2 tackles per game, he actually has 7th highest average for tackles per game all season. The 4 tackles he laid against Essendon makes him equal 5th highest for that game. This directly contradicts the stereotype.

Solution: Don't at any costs admit that you're wrong, and that the stereotype is incorrect. Instead, change the definition of a tackle, to something you find more palatable and which (you hope) would result in Dmac having a lower tackle count, thus allowing you to argue that your (completely bogus) stereotype is actually correct.

Good grief.. What a load of bollocks.

Leigh Matthews was saying on 5AA last night that tackle stats published included effective and ineffective tackles. Interesting to see what the break up for MacKay is. Also doesn't include missed tackles.