Preview Changes vs Collingwood

[BrissyCrow]

First 4 changes are like for like. 5th would require some re-jigging but nothing tough (Laird back).

Reilly out for Otten
Petrenko out for Cameron
Wright out for Douglas
Lynch (inj) out for Walker
Jaensch (inj) out for Lyons
Hartigan/Shaw out for Rutten if we think we need it, although I'd like to see both given a chance to bounce back.

I Think these changes make a lot of sense. I also would like to see Hartigan and Shaw given some more opportunities but against Collingwood we need someone strong to stand up to Cloke amd I still feel that Rutten is our best option. I also am of the opinion that Pods is just not up to it anymore. Generally he is missing his marks, he seems to be lost when he has to dispose of the ball under pressure and he is still missing shots on goal. Problem is I don't think that Smack is worth it so I guess we stick with Pods a bit longer. Come on Lynchy we need you man.

 

[Kraven]

IN: Tex, Lyons, Otten
Out: Lynch, Grigg, Jaensch

Lynch and Jaensch injured, and Grigg to find some form in the sanfl.

 

[GROTTO]

This Club better throw the kitchen sink at the Pies when we play them, because until then they should be embarrassed and ashamed of what they have done to our supporters.

 

[skoobydoo]

In the past 3 SANFL games Jarryd Lyons has averaged 28.6 disposals and 12.3 clearances. Incredible numbers, get him in Sando!!!

Hi Bailey. I notice Kristof likes your post which is good, because you can also bookmark down that Sando has a dislike for Lyons. Some coaches take exception to some players and so it seems with these two. On the other hand Petrenko only needs to run around not contributing much, but with super closing speed, to be recalled ad infinitum.

As an addition, I noticed in the Clare game where, uncharacteristically for the Crows, Lyon's showed his piss-offedness once when the ball was poorly delivered in his direction. The frustration is showing on the guy and it is understandable. But we all must realise that Sando seems to prefer headless chook 'defensive pressure'(?) rather than ball getters and users.

 

[davos44]

Trying to be as level headed as possible

Out

Reilly- That was beyond horrible. 199 it is for you.
Pets- Worked alot harder than most of his mates but just doesnt cut it
Crouch- Will get bullied by Collingwoods mids.
Shaw- Nope not good enough

In

Tex- shouldve been this week
Douglas- Thankgod.
Cameron- just do it
Rutten- provided he gets through tomorrow.

Betts has to be injured, tonight was pathetic for the money man.

This x 10000

 

[Wood_Duck]

In the past 3 SANFL games Jarryd Lyons has averaged 28.6 disposals and 12.3 clearances. Incredible numbers, get him in Sando!!!

Nevertheless incredible numbers

Stats aren't everything. Anyone can pick up cheap possessions on their day. Sando will want to see where he got them and what he did with them.

 

[Skippy231]

Stats aren't everything. Anyone can pick up cheap possessions on their day. Sando will want to see where he got them and what he did with them.

I liked the cheap possession that he got on the boundary that he threw on his left foot and magically went through the goals. Saying that Lyons will not get a call up

 

[weekend at bernies]

Out: Trigg
In: A sack of potatoes

 

[Mismatched]

Lyon's issue is that at AFL level, he's almost exclusively an inside midfielder and personally I think he'd make a very good one. The issue is at this stage is when he's played, he doesn't get such a spot as he's behind the likes of Dangerfield, Thompson, Sloane, Douglas, Kerridge(as our tagger), M.Crouch(and B.Crouch when available) and Wright in terms of in line for a spot in our starting midfield around the stoppages. As such he's forced to play the majority of his footy as a flanker where he struggles for pace, clean footskills and the workrate required around the ground to make the right positions. Wright, Grigg, Vince last year etc have suffered from similar issues, but been able to provide more as flanker types.

For mine Petrenko needs to come out of the side, the way he plays I feel is actually hindering Betts ability to be effective (That and our insistence on bombing it on Betts head...). I fear that Petrenko's kamikaze, blunderbus style attack on the contest is hindering Betts slightly more calculated, deliberate style crumbing, that and I feel he's almost sacrificing his own game to assist Petrenko's by allowing him the ball and the good positions at times. Small sample size I know, but Betts was averaging 3 goals a game without Petrenko, with Petrenko he's averaging 1 goal a game thanks to 2 good games in our two big wins. In the rest he's contributed 2/5ths of SFA. This would be fine if he was a veteran of 5 games, but he's played 76 now. Consistency in performance has always been an issue, what makes us think it will change now into his 7th year on our list.

I love Petrenko's attack on the ball, his energy and his commitment to the side, however his truly good good games are so few and far between and the rest of what he offers is negligible. We dared to dream after the Saints game that he had changed, but we're back to his usual now, time to move on and get a few games into a player like Cameron. Whilst he supposedly doesn't look ready, I think we need to throw caution to the wind to an extent and actually see what he can give us. Who know's it might not be much different to what Petrenko gives us.

He won't be dropped as its his 200th game, but Reilly is another we need to move on from, I had the benefit, if you can call it that, of not watching our game live, instead watching a reply knowing the end result. Tends to take away the emotion and allows you to focus on certain things and by jingo by crikey, his 1st quarter was horrendous. Two absolute shank kicks under no pressure what so ever that should have set us up for shots on goal, then multiple goals to his direct opponents where he was just out played. Improved a bit as the game went on (how could he not), but still some pretty dismal efforts at times. We're trying to pretend like he's Luke Hodge, that he can play on tall forwards and then run off them and kill them with his elite leg. Nes flash, he's an average shut down player and his disposal whilst good at training, goes to poo when the pressures on. Players his age IMO need to either be elite or fill an area of absolute need to get a game, he doesn't fit either.

So my thoughts on the changes:

In:
Taylor Walker
Ben Rutten
Richard Douglas
Jarryd Lyons
Charlie Cameron

Out:
Tom Lynch (Jaw)
Sam Shaw (Omit)
Matthew Jaensch (Ribs)
Brent Reilly (Omit)
Jarred Petrenko (Omit)

To Line Up:
B: Brown - Rutten - Hartigan
HB: Smith - Talia - Laird
C: Mackay - Dangerfield - Sloane
HF: Cameron - Jenkins - Kerridge
F: Betts - Walker - Podsiadly
1R: Jacobs - Thompson - Douglas
I: M. Crouch - Wright - Grigg
S: Lyons

I wouldn't mind seeing Grigg actually taking over from Jaensch/Reilly's role in defense to a certain extent, has the elite leg, is tough and reads the play quite well. Its a good role to develop young players in and I think it would be great for Grigg's development to play as such.

 

[Puddy]

Sanderson does not like Lyons at all. It is known around the club that he completely ignores Lyons, doesnt even say hello.

 

[Vader]

With so many senior players due back this week there are certainly a lot of players who should be looking over their shoulders.

Grigg was truly awful and will be replaced by Douglas. That's a no brainer, given that the only reason he was playing in the first place is because Douglas was suspended.

Rutten should replace Hartigan, who was one of our very worst on ground.

Tex will replace the injured Lynch, unfortunately. Would love to have both of them in our forward line. Lynch just can't seem to take a trick at the moment - first he gets a leg injury, which restricts his pre-season, then he busts his shoulder in the mickey mouse stuff, then Viney breaks his jaw 3 games after he finally returns to the big league. How many games is Viney going to get?

Otten should return as well, replacing Shaw, who gave us nothing and is a liability every time he puts the ball on his boot.

Jaensch also has to be replaced, having broken ribs. My guess is that Brodie Martin would be his replacement, for lack of a better alternative, though his omission could result in Grigg being granted a reprieve. I'd love to see Crouch snr come in as his replacement, but I think he'll need a few weeks in the magoos to get some match fitness.

In an ideal world I would love to see Petrenko dropped, replaced by Cameron. Pets was putrid again this week, his second absolute shocker in a row. I know that Sando loves him and the defensive pressure he applies (because he's not smart enough to get to the ball first), but surely patience has to be running out?

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Changes that I would like but won't happen.
Petrenko out- he honestly detracts from the team rather than adds to it - his "run as hard and fast as you can, in front of other forwards and their line" is not working -he is playing solely as a forward and this year is averaging one goal and one point.
Everyone knows Sando loves him ever since his breakdown in the final where he "recovered" from an injury was played and spectated. Why wouldn't Lyons offer more even if he was to stay in the forward lines? He can take a grab provide pressure and use his football brain. I love Petrenko's moustache he obviously could have a future in some form of downloaded movies but at the moment he is offering AFC nothing.
Jaensch out injured - I have been surprised at his achievements so far in 2014 -but I repeat he is not a defender -play him on the wing or half forward -shite even give him Long John Jared Pees {his performing moniker} but he cannot defend one on one -costing us demoralising goals.
Tex in.
Douglas in {has a heart}


So outs LJJPetrenko, Lynch, Jaensch,
Ins -Tex, Lyons, Douglas

Borderline -Wright {what has happened?}

 

[simmo97]

Sanderson does not like Lyons at all. It is known around the club that he completely ignores Lyons, doesnt even say hello.

troll LOL

 

[beartoo]

Sanderson does not like Lyons at all. It is known around the club that he completely ignores Lyons, doesnt even say hello.

You are obviously very close to the Crows and privvy to the change rooms at training.

 

[King Elvis]

Sanderson does not like Lyons at all. It is known around the club that he completely ignores Lyons, doesnt even say hello.

Surely that can't be true?

 

[Vader]

Surely that can't be true?

It's probably not true, but it's fairly obvious that Sando doesn't rate Lyons particularly highly as a footballer. Lyons is consistently amongst our best players at SANFL level yet rarely even gets listed as an emergency at senior level. There has to be a reason for this...

 

[Paladin]

With so many senior players due back this week there are certainly a lot of players who should be looking over their shoulders.

Grigg was truly awful and will be replaced by Douglas. That's a no brainer, given that the only reason he was playing in the first place is because Douglas was suspended.

Rutten should replace Hartigan, who was one of our very worst on ground.

Tex will replace the injured Lynch, unfortunately. Would love to have both of them in our forward line. Lynch just can't seem to take a trick at the moment - first he gets a leg injury, which restricts his pre-season, then he busts his shoulder in the mickey mouse stuff, then Viney breaks his jaw 3 games after he finally returns to the big league. How many games is Viney going to get?

Otten should return as well, replacing Shaw, who gave us nothing and is a liability every time he puts the ball on his boot.

Jaensch also has to be replaced, having broken ribs. My guess is that Brodie Martin would be his replacement, for lack of a better alternative, though his omission could result in Grigg being granted a reprieve. I'd love to see Crouch snr come in as his replacement, but I think he'll need a few weeks in the magoos to get some match fitness.

In an ideal world I would love to see Petrenko dropped, replaced by Cameron. Pets was putrid again this week, his second absolute shocker in a row. I know that Sando loves him and the defensive pressure he applies (because he's not smart enough to get to the ball first), but surely patience has to be running out?

No mention of Reilly, what did you think of his game? At least Pets kicked a goal and didn't concede 4 to the opposition so he is +5 on Radar.

Actually why don't we move Petrenko to Reilly s half back flank and bring in Cameron

 

[Vader]

No mention of Reilly, what did you think of his game? At least Pets kicked a goal and didn't concede 4 to the opposition so he is +5 on Radar.

Actually why don't we move Petrenko to Reilly s half back flank and bring in Cameron

Reilly wasn't good, but he had plenty of company in that regard. I thought the following players were worse: Betts, Shaw, Hartigan, JPod, Brown, Grigg, Petrenko, Jaensch (prior to injury), JJ (in the first half - his second half was better).

I had to laugh at people bitching about Reilly kicking it out on the full at the start of the game. At least the turnover was 100m out from the opposition goal, on the boundary line, in arguably the least damaging part of the ground. It's not as if any of his teammates were doing any better - the whole team was going at 31% kicking efficiency in the first quarter. Being critical for him for that particular kick is hypocritical in the extreme. Actually, being critical of any of our defenders in that first quarter is ridiculous, given the number of F50 entries that Melbourne generated - largely because our midfielders were asleep on the job and not working hard enough to give our defenders anything to kick to when bringing it out of defence.

Not sure that he gave up 4 goals either, though I'd have to go back and watch the replay. Not saying that you're wrong, I just don't remember him being responsible for that many. I remember him being done under the ball by Watts in the 3rd, so that's definitely one goal - in his defence he was one out against a faster & taller player with the incoming ball kicked to the forward's advantage, a defender's worst nightmare. I remember him being outmarked by Dawes, after being setup by a horrible kick from Smith (the worst turnover of the entire game) - I hope you're not including that one in your tally, because that was clearly Smith's fault. I'm not sure what the match ups were in the first quarter, given that it's hard to work that out from the TV coverage.

If he was on Kennedy-Harris then you could well be right - whoever was on KH in that first quarter arguably cost us the game. That said, if Reilly was on KH then the fault lies with Sando, because that's a match up from hell - Reilly is relatively slow, KH is greased lightning.

 

[King Elvis]

It's probably not true, but it's fairly obvious that Sando doesn't rate Lyons particularly highly as a footballer. Lyons is consistently amongst our best players at SANFL level yet rarely even gets listed as an emergency at senior level. There has to be a reason for this...

He clearly doesn't rate him - but if he doesn't talk to him, that's an entirely different, and unacceptable, situation.

You'd hate to believe it, but there were very similar rumblings around Johncock in the twilight of his career; that once Sando had decided he wasn't up to it, he basically ignored him.

 

[Vader]

He clearly doesn't rate him - but if he doesn't talk to him, that's an entirely different, and unacceptable, situation.

You'd hate to believe it, but there were very similar rumblings around Johncock in the twilight of his career; that once Sando had decided he wasn't up to it, he basically ignored him.

I agree it's unacceptable and would be very disappointed if it were proven to be the case.

 

[Wright Away]

With so many senior players due back this week there are certainly a lot of players who should be looking over their shoulders.

Grigg was truly awful and will be replaced by Douglas. That's a no brainer, given that the only reason he was playing in the first place is because Douglas was suspended.

Rutten should replace Hartigan, who was one of our very worst on ground.

Tex will replace the injured Lynch, unfortunately. Would love to have both of them in our forward line. Lynch just can't seem to take a trick at the moment - first he gets a leg injury, which restricts his pre-season, then he busts his shoulder in the mickey mouse stuff, then Viney breaks his jaw 3 games after he finally returns to the big league. How many games is Viney going to get?

Otten should return as well, replacing Shaw, who gave us nothing and is a liability every time he puts the ball on his boot.

Jaensch also has to be replaced, having broken ribs. My guess is that Brodie Martin would be his replacement, for lack of a better alternative, though his omission could result in Grigg being granted a reprieve. I'd love to see Crouch snr come in as his replacement, but I think he'll need a few weeks in the magoos to get some match fitness.

In an ideal world I would love to see Petrenko dropped, replaced by Cameron. Pets was putrid again this week, his second absolute shocker in a row. I know that Sando loves him and the defensive pressure he applies (because he's not smart enough to get to the ball first), but surely patience has to be running out?

Spot on!

 

[Jack is Back]

Reilly wasn't good, but he had plenty of company in that regard. I thought the following players were worse: Betts, Shaw, Hartigan, JPod, Brown, Grigg, Petrenko, Jaensch (prior to injury), JJ (in the first half - his second half was better)

Shaw - 21 games, Brown - 31, Grigg - 10, JJ - 33, Hartigan - 8 games

Betts - 191 games, JPod - 90, Pets - 76, MJ - 52 games.

Reilly - 199 games.

It must come as an enormous surprise that a player like Hartigan will not play 10 perfect games at the start of his career. It is generally agreed by the "experts" that players need 40 - 60 games before they start playing good football on a consistent basis. The problem isn't inexperienced players who underperform, that is a given, it is the poor performance by experienced players.

Were you not impressed with Lyons game yesterday, Vader? Ohhh that's right, you don't watch the SANFL (only make judgements on SANFL players). It doesn't surprise me that you are more than happy to overlook Reilly's last 2 games but you are adamant that Lyons is not an AFL footballer.

The only thing more ridiculous is Alex insisting that LJ deserves the next 10 games in the AFL.

Reilly will survive regardless of his form. It is all about structure. Everyone except Spackler (and possibly Sando) would have seen that both the Crows and their opposition have been playing a loose man in defence for large periods every game this year. Whilst it is our preference to use Brodie Smith as the "extra man in defence", we also rotate Jaensch and Reilly through this role during the game. With MJ injured we can't experiment with 2 new players in this role (gee we could use Hendo). Hopefully we will stop the "Petrenko" experiment with Laird, he is a second year player that had a great season as a small defender last year. Play him in defence.

I am not convinced that Truck is ready to go but Sando will play him this week.

My predictions based on Sando's previous effort are

Out - Lynch, Jaensch, Grigg, Shaw, Hartigan (that's right folks, it was the inexperienced players fault on Saturday)

In - Walker, Douglas, Rutten, Otten, Martin (or Lyons to wear the green, get a quarter at half forward as the Collingwood tsunami rolls over us and thus proving that Sando was correct not to select him).

 

[Vader]

Show me where I have made any comment about Lyons' game in the SANFL? I have always acknowledged that his performances at that level are very, very good and he is usually high in our "best players" at that level. It's abundantly clear that Sando doesn't rate Lyons. Whether I rate him as an AFL player or not (and I don't), the inarguable fact is that Sando clearly doesn't - and Sando's opinion is the one that matters if Lyons is to get a game.

I accept that Hartigan is inexperienced and that inexperienced players will have bad games every now and then. That said, Dawes is one of the least effective forwards in the entire competition and Hartigan made him look like a genius. Hartigan's game went way beyond bad.

Pets, Betts & Jpod have all been around for long enough that they should be performing considerably better than they are. Betts was poor last week as well, but saved his game by making the intercept which won us the game. He couldn't get near it on Saturday, having his pants comprehensively pulled down by Neville Jetta. JPod didn't hit a single target in the entire first half of the game, but he won't be dropped because Tex will need to replace the injured Lynch. There is not a single positive to be taken from Petrenko's game.

At no point have I stated that Reilly was good on Saturday. All I stated is that there were many, many players who were worse. There were probably only 2 or 3 players who could genuinely hold their heads up and say that they gave 100% against Melbourne. Credit goes to Kerridge & Talia in that regard, with Dangerfield getting an honorable mention. The rest of the team varied between mediocre to putrid, with Reilly fitting somewhere in the middle of that group.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Lyons kicked four or five against Collingwood last year.

 

[Paladin]

Show me where I have made any comment about Lyons' game in the SANFL? I have always acknowledged that his performances at that level are very, very good and he is usually high in our "best players" at that level. It's abundantly clear that Sando doesn't rate Lyons. Whether I rate him as an AFL player or not (and I don't), the inarguable fact is that Sando clearly doesn't - and Sando's opinion is the one that matters if Lyons is to get a game.

I accept that Hartigan is inexperienced and that inexperienced players will have bad games every now and then. That said, Dawes is one of the least effective forwards in the entire competition and Hartigan made him look like a genius. Hartigan's game went way beyond bad.

Pets, Betts & Jpod have all been around for long enough that they should be performing considerably better than they are. Betts was poor last week as well, but saved his game by making the intercept which won us the game. He couldn't get near it on Saturday, having his pants comprehensively pulled down by Neville Jetta. JPod didn't hit a single target in the entire first half of the game, but he won't be dropped because Tex will need to replace the injured Lynch. There is not a single positive to be taken from Petrenko's game.

At no point have I stated that Reilly was good on Saturday. All I stated is that there were many, many players who were worse. There were probably only 2 or 3 players who could genuinely hold their heads up and say that they gave 100% against Melbourne. Credit goes to Kerridge & Talia in that regard, with Dangerfield getting an honorable mention. The rest of the team varied between mediocre to putrid, with Reilly fitting somewhere in the middle of that group.

There were not many many worse players , Reilly was insipid and handed Melbourne a four goal lead. Without him we may have won papering over cracks I know.

Sando banished him forward he was so bad until Jaensch got injured and he was forced to move him back.

If we waste another game on Radar Sando has lost me. I get the feeling he is fed up as well though.