Preview Changes vs North

[adelaidecrows]

Do you have any understanding of balance whatsoever or are you simply a cartoon character that noone would watch episode involving.

In your episodes have you ever heard anyone say this to you....
"You know what? I have a ball. Perhaps you'd like to bounce it?" (perhaps the sentiment of everyone in this thread)

So now you are trying to play the all mighty bully (who dares challenge me attitude) and magically you think because one or two others might agree with you Im the dumb one and the whole thread agrees with you. Please don't bother talking to me until you try a little harder to have an intellectual conversation. In other words, play the ball not the man!!

 

[adelaidecrows]

Some of us are not happy with being 13th, just two wins ahead of the Bulldogs.

Some of us are not happy that Trigg's actions have slammed our premiership window shut just as it was opening.

Seeing the same administrators, the same buffoon of a footy ops manager, the same double standards with selection every week gives us every reason to be filthy at the club.

Well said. No one should be happy with 13th.

My opinion is its clear on this occasion the senior players simply have let the club down more so then selection. It was good to see with finals on the line over the previous month the club backed in its youngsters. We have the Trigg thread, which I am all for him resigning as I have been just as an unhappy as anyone on the clubs admin record in recent years.

The only point I am trying to get across is that senior players have runs on the board and deserve every opportunity to prove themselves until its clear they aren't getting better. That's exactly the impression I got with the timing of selections that its exactly how the crows selection committee has carried out the year. One thing however I have yet to share is I do not agree with the drop a senior player for poor form and 1 match latter they come back in. My approach would be to drop them for a minimum of 5 matches, give them a set of KPI's to average and tell them you wont be considered unless you achieve them, barring injury of course. I also strongly think young players deserve multiple matches to earn a spot. But I accept the selection committee's decision not to do that because they have their game plans and match ups they want to achieve.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Why do you hate the club so much? if you hate the selections, the admin, the supporters who talk positive about the club why do you even support them? in fact you couldn't call it support because you and others abuse them all the time.

We don't hate the club.

We're referring to the club's custodians. And that's all they are. Custodians. The club will long outlive them, although at the rate they are going, maybe not.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

So now you are trying to play the all mighty bully (who dares challenge me attitude) and magically you think because one or two others might agree with you Im the dumb one and the whole thread agrees with you. Please don't bother talking to me until you try a little harder to have an intellectual conversation. In other words, play the ball not the man!!

bully you came in here left and right admonishing people saying they hate the club for disagreeing with them on anything.
My first reply to you was exactly play the ball not the man, but you didn't suss it because blatantly obvious is not how I communicate and here you are with bs hypocrisy.
You have said nothing intellectual just spouted how dare you say this or that all throughout the thread and been contrary go back and read through you mimic the exact thing.
It's been completely cliche you have made extreme statements about anyone saying anything the least bit critical and everything is also life and death serious, you just said you disagreed with 3 things in the last age and pretend like you don't project on other people the expectation to do the same.
That's all you have been saying and that parrot did exactly the same with a hatchet job of several things as if they are some relation you've called in when they failed to comprehend what I was even saying.
But instead you and ya buddy think I'm out of harmony due to a few statements I've made of you and others where I've simply made example of the alternate outcomes of hindsight.

Again i don't say "how dare anything" I simply make comment, this is no serious place nor am I a stuffed shirt but I can't say the same for the truth.

 

[xchadders]

these threads are always funny after a loss.

 

[huludicidal]

Why is it so hard for you to understand? do you not understand hindsight? Its even funnier when you try and trip someone up and drill them when in fact your the one being laughed at!

I believe you were directing the 'in fact you're the one being laughed at' dig at King Elvis. I don't know him personally, but in my time on this board he has proven himself to be one of the most knowledgable posters around these parts. It's fine to disagree with him (and others) but you are making a fool of yourself by saying that people are laughing at him.

tell me again what selection committee your on and what expert you are on talent and development of youngsters? you have no idea who your talking too or what I know or don't know.

People have no idea who they're talking to don't they? Please enlighten us. Are you an AFL recruiter or a random internet guy aged between 35 and 50? Its a difference of opinion - you seem to feel your opinion is somehow more valid than others.

For the record I have said numerous times I didn't agree with Grigg being dropped for the fremantle game

So you are criticising people for having the same opinion as you now? Hardly anyone agreed with Grigg getting dropped, including you, and yet when people openly criticise it, you accuse them of hating the club?

Why do you hate the club so much? if you hate the selections, the admin, the supporters who talk positive about the club why do you even support them? in fact you couldn't call it support because you and others abuse them all the time.

If we hated the club we probably wouldn't be spending time getting emotional about things that the club do that we don't agree with. It's passion for the club and wanting the club to do as well as it possibly can that sparks these emotions. This season, I'm sure we'd all agree, has been a nightmare. There's always tangible reasons for nightmare seasons. In my view, and clearly some others here, team selections have played a pretty big part. As have the distractions of last preseason, the fact that the coaching staff did not take the 2013 preseason competition as seriously as 2012, injuries to key players and a drop in form to several key players.

Some of these factors were within the club's control, some weren't. I'm never going to be critical of the AFC for Tex getting injured or Sam Jacobs / Thommo being out of form. However, something like the treatment of Sam Kerridge since he had the single most dominant performance of any Rising Star eligible player in the last 5 years gets my goat a bit. He was played in a completely different role (ie. not in the forward 50) in the following two games after his 6 goal haul, then dropped, and now he can't even make the 25 man squad when our season is long gone, and his last 2-3 games in the SANFL have been nothing short of brilliant. Apparently, my frustration over this means I'm not a supporter and I hate the club?

Andrew Jarman could have stayed one more season.

Yeah, Jars staying on another year could have won us a flag, wish we could go back in time and alter some of Blighty's awful decisions in the lead up to '97.... Oh wait....

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm pretty disgusted with the selections this week.

Jaensch back in. How many chances does this guy get? Pathetic selection.
Jason Porplyzia. He's cooked. What on earth do we stand to gain from playing him again this year?
Sam Shaw. I like this player but his form in the SANFL since returning from injury is nowhere near the level needed.

Just absolutely shocking selections. As usual Kerridge seems to be the forgotten man, and Lyons gets dropped after having one bad game.

 

[Allefgib]

Less arguing more playing selection panel.

 

[King Elvis]

Have you heard what's happening at Carlton? Have you heard what action Mick is preparing the squad and the fans for? And they can still make the eight!

Meanwhile, we're a mathematical chance to make ninth, if Jupiter aligns with planet Krypton while being passed by a flaming meteor..... And we're picking Porplyzia, leaving Kerridge to flounder in the SANFL, and signing Reilly up for another two seasons.

Thoughts?

Mick revels in making tough decisions; we shy away from them.

Carlton is a great comparison - their squad is similar to ours; very good, but not quite there. Looks like he's ready to change that...

 

[King Elvis]

Why is it so hard for you to understand? do you not understand hindsight? Its even funnier when you try and trip someone up and drill them when in fact your the one being laughed at!

I understand hindsight - but it's not hindsight when some of us have been calling it all year; and not just in retrospect.

 

[King Elvis]

I'm more referring to the coaches comments that 1 good game followed by 1 bad game will virtually get you dropped.

Were in administration, 0 good years 12 bad years and a suspension sees you retained.

And if you're Porps, a good quarter gets you another 8 weeks.

 

[jangofett]

Yeah never would have guessed that - give the lad a chance rather than continually wanting him out traded etc!

ps did he pinch your recess money?

Haha I liked the recess money 'ps'

I like LJ, but one game doesn't make a footballer. People on here are acting like he is the second coming, I'm just being reasonable. If he doesn't do much for the rest of the year, and other teams are interested, then I think we would trade him. But if he performs well, then we know we have a player. I hope he proves me wrong

Does anyone know anything about Taylor garner, their debutant? Meant to be a gun?

 

[Crows4Eva]

I don't think it matters who is 'In' overly since Lyons out for Sloane will be the only change. A shame Lyons is out but Sloane is most definitely best 22 and you cant drop Grigg or Vince after last weeks efforts. MacKay is the only other option to drop but he and Sloane/Lyons play very different roles.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I believe you were directing the 'in fact you're the one being laughed at' dig at King Elvis. I don't know him personally, but in my time on this board he has proven himself to be one of the most knowledgable posters around these parts. It's fine to disagree with him (and others) but you are making a fool of yourself by saying that people are laughing at him.

I am sure he can be a very knowledgeable poster. Just respect other peoples right to an opinion and don't call them a cartoon character because you disagree with what they are saying.

People have no idea who they're talking to don't they? Please enlighten us. Are you an AFL recruiter or a random internet guy aged between 35 and 50? Its a difference of opinion - you seem to feel your opinion is somehow more valid than others.

It is a generalization that I used to highlight that some have a habit of dismissing others opinions as rubbish (and I have read some outstanding posts by some individuals who get rubbished). The opinions I read had great points and often had some thinking out of the box that some didn't consider. Im just trying to get some respect for other posters ideas and opinions. I couldn't care less about whether people agreed with me or not. Just don't attempt to bully your way into getting me to concede to your point of view.

So you are criticising people for having the same opinion as you now? Hardly anyone agreed with Grigg getting dropped, including you, and yet when people openly criticise it, you accuse them of hating the club?

No, I said many times I thought Griggs axing was a mistake in hindsight but I didn't think at the time it was anything but unlucky to be dropped for the fremantle game. I am not critising others for their view other then those that are trying to twist my words around and not accepting my point of view.

The hating the club remark is based on the fact I have not read a single positive comment from some individuals who wont make a supportive comment even to those who make positive observations about the direction of players or the club. They tend to often follow a positive comment by another person with the calling of them or me ''Sycophants'' (used in totally the wrong way for the record) for example.

If we hated the club we probably wouldn't be spending time getting emotional about things that the club do that we don't agree with. It's passion for the club and wanting the club to do as well as it possibly can that sparks these emotions. This season, I'm sure we'd all agree, has been a nightmare. There's always tangible reasons for nightmare seasons. In my view, and clearly some others here, team selections have played a pretty big part. As have the distractions of last preseason, the fact that the coaching staff did not take the 2013 preseason competition as seriously as 2012, injuries to key players and a drop in form to several key players.

im glad your passionate about the club. wish every supporter was just as passionate. go your hardest.

Some of these factors were within the club's control, some weren't. I'm never going to be critical of the AFC for Tex getting injured or Sam Jacobs / Thommo being out of form. However, something like the treatment of Sam Kerridge since he had the single most dominant performance of any Rising Star eligible player in the last 5 years gets my goat a bit. He was played in a completely different role (ie. not in the forward 50) in the following two games after his 6 goal haul, then dropped, and now he can't even make the 25 man squad when our season is long gone, and his last 2-3 games in the SANFL have been nothing short of brilliant. Apparently, my frustration over this means I'm not a supporter and I hate the club?

No not at all, and you have taken some of my grievances and arguments out of context. Im happy as larry for everyone to have their own opinion. some just over step the mark and start insulting others for theirs. that's how it started. Constant negativity can get you down.

Yeah, Jars staying on another year could have won us a flag, wish we could go back in time and alter some of Blighty's awful decisions in the lead up to '97.... Oh wait....

I always knew when I wrote that I was going to cop the flag argument. im not arguing with that I am purely stating I think Jars could have played one more year. flag has nothing to do with my statement or players on the list.

 

[Jack is Back]

My motivation is very simple, I want the AFC to do everything possible to increase the chance of us winning our third premiership. The actions both on and off the field over the last 18 months have been a long way from this objective.

What do we gain by continuing to play a half fit Thommo and leave Kerridge, Laird and Lyons in the SANFL? My theory is that our actions are all about the short term, trying to maximise the number of members that join the movement to Adelaide Oval and ignoring the longer term.

We need to accelerate the development of our gun KIDS (Crouch, Brown) and to give games to the other KIDS who may or may not eventually make the grade (Laird - probably, Kerridge - probably, Lyons - possibly, Grigg - possibly, LJ - possibly). I'd also like to give CEY a taste this year and also Sam Shaw.

Everyone remembers how good Porps was "at his best", but that is ancient history. I would be more than happy to see him play out the season at Westies and then reload for next year. Does Truck have to play 21 games this year? No shame giving him a rest and having a decent look at Hartigan. Even if a half fit Thommo is slightly better than a fully fit Kerridge does that justify playing him?

Winning an extra game this year will achieve absolutely nothing (those expecting us to win the last 4 and take Essendon's spot in the finals are dreaming). If we were fair dinkum about playing finals we wouldn't have leaked 4 goals in the last 6 minutes to the Power KIDS last week.

I can accept the usual sycophants defending the clubs selections (Grigg not selected - must have attitude problem, Lyons not selected - must be unfit, Kerridge not selected - looks too exhausted, L.J. - attitude problem, etc,etc,etc) but some former members of the MOB are showing breathtaking agility (backflips) compared to 2010 and 2011.

 

[relapse]

I'm pretty disgusted with the selections this week.

Jaensch back in. How many chances does this guy get? Pathetic selection.
Jason Porplyzia. He's cooked. What on earth do we stand to gain from playing him again this year?
Sam Shaw. I like this player but his form in the SANFL since returning from injury is nowhere near the level needed.

Just absolutely shocking selections. As usual Kerridge seems to be the forgotten man, and Lyons gets dropped after having one bad game.

Porps has most probably been promised his gold pass back the moment Johnston plays a bad game

 

[adelaidecrows]

Porps has most probably been promised his gold pass back the moment Johnston plays a bad game

I don't understand why he is named in extended squad. Surprised as everyone else I think.

 

[swanfan]

The master bedroom of the Penthouse usually cures my blues.

I am a big fan of a lady that will wear a scarf.

 

[kaysee]

Was going to put this in the Showdown Banter thread, but that is now closed... GL against North... please make Brad Scott cry.

 

[1970crow]

tell me again what selection committee your on and what expert you are on talent and development of youngsters? you have no idea who your talking too or what I know or don't know. don't dismiss what I have to say just because you feel you have to sledge the club at every opportunity.

For the record I have said numerous times I didn't agree with Grigg being dropped for the fremantle game but could see why they did it.

Ian Downsborough was an embarrassing Joke and the treatment of my man Scott Hodges I thought was a little on the rough side. Andrew Jarman could have stayed one more season. 3 decisions.

Anything from the current century.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Anything from the current century.

I think most of my grievances have been spelt out in other threads. mainly the trigg being sacked one.

 

[Godallblighty]

My motivation is very simple, I want the AFC to do everything possible to increase the chance of us winning our third premiership. The actions both on and off the field over the last 18 months have been a long way from this objective.

What do we gain by continuing to play a half fit Thommo and leave Kerridge, Laird and Lyons in the SANFL? My theory is that our actions are all about the short term, trying to maximise the number of members that join the movement to Adelaide Oval and ignoring the longer term.

We need to accelerate the development of our gun KIDS (Crouch, Brown) and to give games to the other KIDS who may or may not eventually make the grade (Laird - probably, Kerridge - probably, Lyons - possibly, Grigg - possibly, LJ - possibly). I'd also like to give CEY a taste this year and also Sam Shaw.

Everyone remembers how good Porps was "at his best", but that is ancient history. I would be more than happy to see him play out the season at Westies and then reload for next year. Does Truck have to play 21 games this year? No shame giving him a rest and having a decent look at Hartigan. Even if a half fit Thommo is slightly better than a fully fit Kerridge does that justify playing him?

Winning an extra game this year will achieve absolutely nothing (those expecting us to win the last 4 and take Essendon's spot in the finals are dreaming). If we were fair dinkum about playing finals we wouldn't have leaked 4 goals in the last 6 minutes to the Power KIDS last week.

I can accept the usual sycophants defending the clubs selections (Grigg not selected - must have attitude problem, Lyons not selected - must be unfit, Kerridge not selected - looks too exhausted, L.J. - attitude problem, etc,etc,etc) but some former members of the MOB are showing breathtaking agility (backflips) compared to 2010 and 2011.

Why do you constantly ruin some spot-on observations with this obsessive tearing down of a straw man you call the MOB? This petty point-scoring nyah nyah nyah stuff just undermines your posts. As far as I can see, many of the people you call the MOB would probably agree with you otherwise. Is it still all about Neil? I really don't get it.

 

[King Elvis]

Yea, AFGM, as one of your stronger supporters on here, I wish you'd cut that shit out. You're normally spot on with your observations, but have to throw a dig in there which distracts from them.

I am sure he can be a very knowledgeable poster. Just respect other peoples right to an opinion and don't call them a cartoon character because you disagree with what they are saying.

I didn't do that?

You said everyone was laughing at me, and that I hate the Club.

So you want everyone to respect your opinion, but insult others or trivialise their opinions based on hyperbole?

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Haha I liked the recess money 'ps'

I like LJ, but one game doesn't make a footballer. People on here are acting like he is the second coming, I'm just being reasonable. If he doesn't do much for the rest of the year, and other teams are interested, then I think we would trade him. But if he performs well, then we know we have a player. I hope he proves me wrong

Does anyone know anything about Taylor garner, their debutant? Meant to be a gun?

Even if he halves his return for the remaining games he will have outpaced porplyzias season total and porplyzia is our 5th highest goal scorer, he'd have fair odds to catch up to 4th with the selectors his biggest obstacle, to say that being able to put it through the sticks is a need is an understatement lynch has 29 at the top and 10 of those from the one game jenkins 24 sidelined, danger 25 take those away dougies got 15 porps 13.
It's really simple he just takes the mark around 50 kicks the goal he has the attributes that's all, noone is saying he's the messiah he can simply kick the ball and mark it.


Kerridge from 8 games has 12, 6 in the one but not even a look in against that same side and he's in much better form then porps.
Generally I'd play a guy like that forward again not on hannebury, but hey who needs goals.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Even if he halves his return for the remaining games he will have outpaced porplyzias season total and porplyzia is our 5th highest goal scorer, he'd have fair odds to catch up to 4th with the selectors his biggest obstacle, to say that being able to put it through the sticks is a need is an understatement lynch has 29 at the top and 10 of those from the one game jenkins 24 sidelined, danger 25 take those away dougies got 15 porps 13.
It's really simple he just takes the mark around 50 kicks the goal he has the attributes that's all, noone is saying he's the messiah he can simply kick the ball and mark it.


Kerridge from 8 games has 12, 6 in the one but not even a look in against that same side and he's in much better form then porps.
Generally I'd play a guy like that forward again not on hannebury, but hey who needs goals.

I think Johnston showed enough that he should be given every chance to play the remaining games this season and not be dropped if he has the odd one bad game. His accuracy around goal suggests even with limited output, he is a very dangerous customer.