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That’s extremely funnyThere would have been at least that many Crows supporters watching to frantically count the heads in the crowd.
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That’s extremely funnyThere would have been at least that many Crows supporters watching to frantically count the heads in the crowd.
Any reason why it can not happen before then? I don't think we have an exclusive agreement with the AFL. Only a commitment to let us play an early game there for 5 years.Before 2023?
We also didn't have the money when we started this. Also, GC have the AFL's financial support. If the AFL want it to happen, it will happen. It would suck enormously for us but it would make absolute sense to the AFL.It won’t happen. It costs $4m to get a game up and running, and Gold Coast doesn’t have the money to bankroll that. Neither does St Kilda.
The reason why the viewing numbers in Australia were so low is due to the fact that Essendon v Geelong was on at the same time. The only ones watching this game were Port fans.
Gold Coast doesn’t have the cachet in Shanghai to host a game anyway.
I can’t see Mr Gui who has bankrolled this seeing Port totally shafted.We also didn't have the money when we started this. Also, GC have the AFL's financial support. If the AFL want it to happen, it will happen. It would suck enormously for us but it would make absolute sense to the AFL.
GC want the game and finally see opportunities with Huawei in Schenzen and others and then next weekend St Kilda. Although would be better to have a full stadium in week 1 to get the media interest in both Shanghai and Oz, so St Kilda first.
Lockhart Road if Allan Zeman gets involved via Lindsay Fox, then St Kilda might chase the Hong Kong opportunities like GC might chase the Schenzen opportunities.
So the double up costs of back to back games is 2 lots of flights and accommodation for the teams and 2 lots of $500k+ fees to sell games and 2 lots of operating costs on game day eg lights, security, preparation etc. Fox Footy would send over a production team for 2 games so accommodation costs would double but production costs wouldn't.
So if it cost $4.5m to put on 1 game in 2017 then in 2019 it would probably cost $4m + $1.5m ignoring light tower costs and the fact in 2017 probably close to $1m was capital costs to upgrade the stadium and turf.
If we set up a company there with Shaghai CRED and have employees live in Shanghai, that will help with not having Alberton be a complete ghost town for about 14 days.
Its still a massive challenge for the club to put on back to back games and will involve a lot of planning to get it right. KT said after last years game that it taxed the club to the extreme and it was the toughest thing he had done at the club, and management had to make sure staff weren't burnt out by the experience. I guess the post mortem later this week and/or next week will reveal how much easier Shanghai 2.0 was and how well placed we are to "move the footy club" to Shanghai for 14 days.
Practical commonsense.Any reason why it can not happen before then? I don't think we have an exclusive agreement with the AFL. Only a commitment to let us play an early game there for 5 years.
Like this post, but a couple of questions:
(1) Surely "a full stadium" all depends on how big a crowd the owners of the stadium are willing to tolerate. The stadium could probably hold many more than 10-12,000. But is it realistic to expect that we'd be allowed to have a crowd "fill the stadium" that would be maybe twice or three times that size?
(2) Surely 2 games wouldn't be 14 days? Wouldn't it be two weekends with the week in between: 7 or 8 days?
And apparently this year there was an AFL tournament of Chinese (or Shanghai?) teams the day after the game. Would it have been better to hold this the day before the game and incorporate it into the event (or if there were two games, in the time between them)?
A lot of assumptions here.Practical commonsense.
Who is going to supply the basic $$$ and all the government connections in Shanghai?
The AFL don't own the stadium. They don't have a contract with them like they do with the MCG. The AFL dont have an agreement with the Shanghai government. The AFL dont speak the local lingo. The AFL have bugger all contacts on the ground in Shanghai.
The AFL is not going to play a game in Shanghai without Mr Gui and his organisation backing it.
In China, saving face is a big deal. Mr Gui isn't going to lose face and cut us off when he knows S. Kidman & Co has its HQ in Adelaide and every month he travels here for a board meeting.
The relationship is Gui/Shangi CRED > Port > AFL
Its not AFL > Gui/Shanghai CRED > Port
We wouldn't be totally shafted, would we?I can’t see Mr Gui who has bankrolled this seeing Port totally shafted.
Again, where did I say we would be cut off?Practical commonsense.
Who is going to supply the basic $$$ and all the government connections in Shanghai?
The AFL don't own the stadium. They don't have a contract with them like they do with the MCG. The AFL dont have an agreement with the Shanghai government. The AFL dont speak the local lingo. The AFL have bugger all contacts on the ground in Shanghai.
The AFL is not going to play a game in Shanghai without Mr Gui and his organisation backing it.
In China, saving face is a big deal. Mr Gui isn't going to lose face and cut us off when he knows S. Kidman & Co has its HQ in Adelaide and every month he travels here for a board meeting.
The relationship is Gui/Shangi CRED > Port > AFL
Its not AFL > Gui/Shanghai CRED > Port
Practical commonsense.
Who is going to supply the basic $$$ and all the government connections in Shanghai?
The AFL don't own the stadium. They don't have a contract with them like they do with the MCG. The AFL dont have an agreement with the Shanghai government. The AFL dont speak the local lingo. The AFL have bugger all contacts on the ground in Shanghai.
The AFL is not going to play a game in Shanghai without Mr Gui and his organisation backing it.
In China, saving face is a big deal. Mr Gui isn't going to lose face and cut us off when he knows S. Kidman & Co has its HQ in Adelaide and every month he travels here for a board meeting.
The relationship is Gui/Shangi CRED > Port > AFL
Its not AFL > Shanghai CRED > Port
Does it make sense?... The club was able to find something... essential for the success of the enterprise: the right place to be... The future of the game is abroad..., and there are Chinese people willing to promote the game there. Port was able to promote the link.
The path for footy reaching China and vice-versa passes through Port Adelaide. Port has done everything in a way that, for now, if “no Port, no China.” It is the Chinese who wants the AFL; not, the other way around. The AFL does not want China; it NEEDS China. Hence, it is the AFL who must adjust itself to the Chinese...
And apparently this year there was an AFL tournament of Chinese (or Shanghai?) teams the day after the game. Would it have been better to hold this the day before the game and incorporate it into the event (or if there were two games, in the time between them)?
Again, where did I say we would be cut off?
Name themA lot of assumptions here.
At work on my phone so I have to keep it short. But basically, that only us are capable of developing the contacts and acquire the resources to play football in China. That Mr Gui has a preference about the mix of clubs that play in China. Even more, that Mr Gui is the only Chinese billionaire willing to commit to such venture.Name them
Not so much "assumptions" by REH, more like plain common sense!At work on my phone so I have to keep it short. But basically, that only us are capable of developing the contacts and acquire the resources to play football in China. That Mr Gui has a preference about the mix of clubs that play in China. Even more, that Mr Gui is the only Chinese billionaire willing to commit to such venture.
Edit: one more, that Shanghai is the only option.
If you’re half thinking of going to see Port play next year in Shanghai just don’t hesitate. And if you can combine it with a tour. We did a 10 tour day that included Beijing, Xi’an and Shanghai.
Exceeded my expectations. Just so much to see and do. Saw both the modern and traditional China, and both are must sees. Our tour guide was brilliant. Didn’t have to worry about a thing. Everything was organised. If you’re a first timer to China it’s a hassle free way to travel.
The tour squeezd a lot in. Would have liked to have spent more time in some places (eg, the Great Wall) and less in others but that’s the nature of organised tours. And it’s hard to anticipate what you will and won’t like beforehand. I still give our tour a big, big tick.
Not sure where Kochie's "demonstration game" quip comes from - maybe the SMH article has since been edited...
We also didn't have the money when we started this. Also, GC have the AFL's financial support. If the AFL want it to happen, it will happen. It would suck enormously for us but it would make absolute sense to the AFL.
At work on my phone so I have to keep it short. But basically, that only us are capable of developing the contacts and acquire the resources to play football in China. That Mr Gui has a preference about the mix of clubs that play in China. Even more, that Mr Gui is the only Chinese billionaire willing to commit to such venture.
Edit: one more, that Shanghai is the only option.
Oh and because we didn't want to let RussellEbertHandball down we did ride the subway to the fake markets. The organised chaos of the subway system at peak hour was a sight to behold as were the markets. The Little Warrior was in her element bartering with sellers. We know they're scamming us and they know we know so it is all done with great spirit and good humour. Picked up a Samsonite duffel bag, Under Armor shoes and Jimmy Choo handbag for a pittance
REH’s ‘assumptions’ are based on what has happened up to this point and are thus correct.At work on my phone so I have to keep it short. But basically, that only us are capable of developing the contacts and acquire the resources to play football in China. That Mr Gui has a preference about the mix of clubs that play in China. Even more, that Mr Gui is the only Chinese billionaire willing to commit to such venture.
Edit: one more, that Shanghai is the only option.
Oh and because we didn't want to let RussellEbertHandball down we did ride the subway to the fake markets. The organised chaos of the subway system at peak hour was a sight to behold as were the markets. The Little Warrior was in her element bartering with sellers. We know they're scamming us and they know we know so it is all done with great spirit and good humour. Picked up a Samsonite duffel bag, Under Armor shoes and Jimmy Choo handbag for a pittance