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Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

Do you support Scott coaching from 2020 onwards?


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Scott isn’t the problem, and I have zero time for those trying to convince us otherwise.

Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)
 
Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)

All valid points volcboy, even if I don't agree with all of them.
 

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Scott isn’t the problem, and I have zero time for those trying to convince us otherwise.
So 2011 it was Scotts team and his flag,now 8 years at the helm it's not his team and when shit is happening we should all look some where else.Is that what you are saying.
 
Can people please remember that Scott wasn't re-signed on a 4 year deal - he was already contracted for 2019, and he had been re-signed for a further 3 years (2020, 2021 & 2022).

So while he is now contracted for a further 4 years, it is on the back of a 3-year extension
 
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I don't think Scotty is the problem and I think he's a good man manager which a senior coach is these days. So I can understand why the club want to keep him, he's a very stable influence on the club. I do think we need to clean out some assistants who have been around for far too long. Geelong needs some fresh ideas, a different perspective to the game, maybe even a bit of Clarko IP from one of his former assistants. We've seen how this can take a club from good to great, so let's do it. Let's put the best people available around Scotty to take this club to a premiership, as I just don't think we have that right at the moment.
 
I don't think Scotty is the problem and I think he's a good man manager which a senior coach is these days. So I can understand why the club want to keep him, he's a very stable influence on the club. I do think we need to clean out some assistants who have been around for far too long. Geelong needs some fresh ideas, a different perspective to the game, maybe even a bit of Clarko IP from one of his former assistants. We've seen how this can take a club from good to great, so let's do it. Let's put the best people available around Scotty to take this club to a premiership, as I just don't think we have that right at the moment.
In what way Blakey?
 
I'm truly surprised that our list has changed since 2011, I thought all our premiership stars would still be running around. Does this kind of thing happen at other clubs?

Unfortunately he hasn't turned the list over well, its still an old list.

I think if we get a well rested and hungry Melbourne first up it could be brutal. Sydney, Hawthorn and GWS wont care that much and those games will likely be closer to 50/50.

Agreed.

With buddy down the likelihood is us playing Melbourne.

And they will come like a train. But I’m just wondering if we have a train in us.


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In what way Blakey?
That's a hard question to answer as I'm not on the inside seeing him work day to day, so I can't give you specific examples. It's the impression I get listening to the people around him talk in the media, from the Club President to the players talking about his coaching style in general. They all seem to tremendously respect the man for how he manages and coaches the team.
 
Not as often as how much Scott has been praised for doing it, especially like it's some sort of incredible achievement. It's absolutely regulation to do that.

Right now, we finished 2nd last year after home and away, and it won't be any higher than 7th this year. Is the list improving?

I'd say it's how the list has been turned over that's being praised not that the list is being turned over.

IMO the list has improved, however our performance has been inconsistent. Both can exist at the same time.
 
We are mid pack actually in age. But don’t let facts get in the way of your chicken little theorys.

Love how you continually make shit up to suit your agenda though.

mid pack? do you have any research to back that up?

we have 10 players over 28
and 15 players over 27

the majority of our key players are in the 27 and over age bracket

we do have a lot of players under 21, most of those are late draft picks, so dont expect those guys to replace our gun oldies

I just post the reality, I don't live in a Chris Scott fairy-tale.
 

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Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)

Brilliant.

You don’t post enough.
 
That's a hard question to answer as I'm not on the inside seeing him work day to day, so I can't give you specific examples. It's the impression I get listening to the people around him talk in the media, from the Club President to the players talking about his coaching style in general. They all seem to tremendously respect the man for how he manages and coaches the team.
I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors with Scott either,but the bit I do see of him in the coaches box and post match pressers leaves me cold,in the box he strikes me more of a supporter than gameday coach focusing more on umpire decisions instead of analyzing what is unfolding and adjusting.It's why at post match press conferences when he is asked specific question as to why or why not this or that happens he often replies with an i'll wait until we review it during the week before i make comment,if the man needs replays to see what's happening,perhaps he needs to hand over the gameday coaching gig.
 
I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors with Scott either,but the bit I do see of him in the coaches box and post match pressers leaves me cold,in the box he strikes me more of a supporter than gameday coach focusing more on umpire decisions instead of analyzing what is unfolding and adjusting.It's why at post match press conferences when he is asked specific question as to why or why not this or that happens he often replies with an i'll wait until we review it during the week before i make comment,if the man needs replays to see what's happening,perhaps he needs to hand over the gameday coaching gig.

I love all that weird shit Scott does. And you have to remember, Channel 7 is only going to show those micro-seconds that will cause a viewer reaction. Where's the shock factor in televising Scott diligently studying the white board? (Remember Bomber and the sandwich?)
 
Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)

Volcano boy thats a Krakatoa of a post ... :thumbsu: Its a lock as the best post I have read for a while :padlock:

FYI ..I think Buckley departed 360 as he and Robinson just could not work together
 
Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)
Agree with all you say except for the Board prior to Costa. Ron Hovey was hardly an old boy and was a successful business person. He understood that the modern club needed something new and asked Costa to come on. That was at least two years before he retired, two years funnily enough in which Costa could have found those invoices in the drawer if he was as good as he says he is.
For the rest you hit the nail- all too comfortable.
 
Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)
The first long post that has ever held my attention,ripper.
 

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Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)
I don't agree with all of this but respect your opinion and the time put in to articulate exactly why you don't like something.

Others on here just criticise Scott, the players, the club with no reasoning whatsoever. All i ask for is logical reasoning.
 
I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors with Scott either,but the bit I do see of him in the coaches box and post match pressers leaves me cold,in the box he strikes me more of a supporter than gameday coach focusing more on umpire decisions instead of analyzing what is unfolding and adjusting.It's why at post match press conferences when he is asked specific question as to why or why not this or that happens he often replies with an i'll wait until we review it during the week before i make comment,if the man needs replays to see what's happening,perhaps he needs to hand over the gameday coaching gig.
I don't watch his press conferences much because all coaches talk shit in those, Bomber was worse. I also don't watch him on AFL360 either. That's your opinion, that cool.
 
Agreed.

With buddy down the likelihood is us playing Melbourne.

And they will come like a train. But I’m just wondering if we have a train in us.


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That's what we need to expect going into the game, but historically this hasn't been the case.

Bulldogs 2015
Richmond 2015/2016
Geelong 2004

All teams amongst many (who I remember off the top of my head) who failed to show up in their first run of finals but went on to be more successful later on.

I don't think Melbourne has the experience to play out a full final, especially if it will be at the G.

Not a stat you want to bank on, but it's something to consider.
 
Think about the other teams that have been up during the last 10 years or so. St Kilda, Port, Hawthorn and the Pies. Two teams have managed to stay relevant, one has has the wobbles and two sunk. It is true that we as Geelong supporters have been very lucky. We haven't stayed competitive by pure luck.
 
Good to see you're open minded.

I would have preferred that Scott saw out his current contract before the club made a decision on his future. I have concerns over what I have witnessed in the past few years in terms of the team's performance under pressure (especially in finals), their togetherness as a team and the game plans that are being implemented.

In terms of the clubs management, I do have some issues with what has gone on in the last few years, and compare some of the decisions to what I witnessed in pre-2000 Geelong (I was first a club member in 1979). If you have read the book Comeback: The Fall and Rise of Geelong (James Button), it will inform you of some of the issues that the club had; the board was a nepotistic 'boys club', run by wealthy individuals from old money Geelong who saw a position on the board as adding to their prestige rather than being interested in furthering the interests of the team and the club.

The appointment of an outsider in Frank Costa as president and, in turn, Brian Cook as CEO, turned the club around, but only after a long process of investigating all areas of the club, getting rid of syncophants and hangers on and changing the way things were run. I fear that, in Colin Carter (who was also a director from 1987-1993), we have regressed in terms of the way the club is managed. A warning sign in terms of the nepotism that used to occur was the recent resignation of Gareth Andrews as Vice-President. Rather than holding an election for a new board member, his nephew Justin Andrews was handed a spot on the board. Regardless of whether Justin is an appropriate choice, the 'jobs for the boys' mentality is never a good look. To my mind, Cook has become too comfortable and is no longer leading the pack in terms of administration innovation; he's become 'one of the boys' along with his man Chris Scott.

Despite all of the changes Cook, in 2006 we were still a rabble (after a few good years, mind yoiu), even though our list was essentially the same as the all conquering 2007 team. Important changes were made to the coaching and administration structure, with the crucial appointment of Neil Balme occurring in 2007 (who is now at Richmond...). The turnaround in 2007 was dramatic, but showed one important factor in football; most of the lists in the league have similar levels of talent, with the last 5% being between the ears (close team bonding, confidence) and in developing a unique game style that suits the players on the list. Geelong played the game 'the way it should be played' with a list of natural footballers who played for each other and had bonded as a group (Leading Teams and player-led meetings being the driving force for this).

I would like nothing more than to believe after 8 years at the helm that Chris Scott and his Neil Balme substitute Simon Lloyd, along with the administration of the club, are capable of delivering a similar turn around in game style and team togetherness. But unfortunately I don't see it. What I saw in the games against Richmond and Hawthorn was a Geelong team that was poorly set up and organised with respect to their opposition. A team that did not respond to the tactics of the opposition (e.g. guarding the corridor for kick-ins and allowing Rich/Haw to chip around the boundary line and escape defensive 50 time and time again). A 'team' with players that pointed fingers and argued when structures broke down. A 'team' that let a 34-year old almost carry them to the line against Hawthorn, yet when he kicked 3 of the first 4 goals, almost none of his teammates went to him to slap him on the back. These things speak to me of a dysfunctional team that lacks leadership and cohesion, is not playing with a game style that is innovative or suits the available list. Chris Scott is a leader at the club (though not the only one), so for me, a significant proportion of this falls on his shoulders.

Personally, I do have issues with how Chris Scott deals with the media. I would prefer he gave up his slot on AFL 360, as I don't enjoy what I see as his self-promotion in this role. Sensibly, Nathan Buckley gave up the role recently; coincidence? I also do not like the way Chris aggressively attacks reporters that question his tactics during press conferences. I have never once seen him admit that he may have got it wrong, which lowers my respect for him.

On this forum, I would think that people should be open minded enough to realise that disagreeing with a decision to extend the contract of a coach and 100% supporting your team are actually simultaneously possible. I wish for nothing more than for 5 wins in a row and a flag in 2018, I just don't currently see it as at all likely.

Maybe people should realise that it is OK to hold differing opinions and to respect those of others, particularly when they are articulated an reasoned. Some people (on both sides of the argument) need to take a chill pill and realise that we all support the same team. Some mods should also pull their heads in and not take pot shots at those that disagree with them.

Peace, and long may the respectful discussion continue (although I don't think it will if we don't win this week...)
Fantastic post mostly, even if I view things differently.

Understand that the mod perspective on this is mostly being tired of the shitposting on the topic. If more people took the time to express themselves reasonably and articulate their views (as you have done) the debate would be much more interesting.
 
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