Phantom Draft Chris25's 2011 Mock Draft

[Pure_Ownage]

Hey Chris, as you know your stuff so well I'm interested in your opinion on who you think the 3 or 4 best ready to go key defenders and ready to go rucks in this pool are? as I can see that being an area we look at with our last couple of picks.

 

[MCG-Unit]

Oustanding effort Chris, thanks.

St Kilda need tall KP fwds & defenders, in and under mids and a ruck.
Your predictions would be great:

25 Bolger
35 Waldhuter - one of my fav players in the draft pool
37 Nelson
42 Dobosz
60 wonder if they would take another tall defender here, or a Kyal Horsley
78 Wright

 

[Winners Only]

Chris25's

From a St Kilda's supporters perspective the is our best draft result by far. If we could emulate this in the real draft I would be rapt.

I think you have a handle on most team needs and have done far better the most on the Bigfooty Phantom. Particular the Westcoast Willy who is selecting St Kilda's picks - the guy has no idea what we need !

 

[Sin City]

Particular the Westcoast Willy who is selecting St Kilda's picks - the guy has no idea what we need !

Maybe he'd prefer to use on average picks in a thin draft on best available rather than kidding himself that every pick will automatically fill a role that the best 22 requires.

 

[Chris25]

Hey Chris, as you know your stuff so well I'm interested in your opinion on who you think the 3 or 4 best ready to go key defenders and ready to go rucks in this pool are? as I can see that being an area we look at with our last couple of picks.

Not really sure any of the KPDs will necessarily be ready to go. Guys like Tomlinson and Talia would be physically ready and will probably be able to debut early, but might take a bit longer to really get the position down.

I still think Boseley will have the most immediate impact, despite not being as big as others. Blee and Lockyer could also play early, but Lockyer could just as easily start his career up forward.

Don't think you'd get a ready made ruckman though. Longer should get a fair few games with GWS, Bolger is probably more a second year prospect like Vardy was. And Downie will be a few year away. Otherwise it's just a mature ruck like a Sinclair.

 

[spuddy_franklin]

hey chris what do u think the chances are of Boseley slipping back to pick 33? i really rate this kid see a bright future for him i was delighted when we got pick 29 off brisbane for lisle then a bit guttered when we traded it away because now our chances of getting a decent defender to devolp is slimmer im hoping hawks can get Boseley pick 38 i agree with your pick 38 actually

 

[Yoda_]

Chris, would love to know your thoughts on some KPF's available for the rookie draft, and some small forwards that are likely to slide through to the rookie draft?

Thanks bud

 

[Chris25]

hey chris what do u think the chances are of Boseley slipping back to pick 33? i really rate this kid see a bright future for him i was delighted when we got pick 29 off brisbane for lisle then a bit guttered when we traded it away because now our chances of getting a decent defender to devolp is slimmer im hoping hawks can get Boseley pick 38 i agree with your pick 38 actually

If GWS overlook him, which realistically they probably will, then he could probably go anywhere in the 20 to 35 range. Especially now that it seems a given that Fremantle will get Zac Dawson, he might slip past another team who did have a need for someone like him.

Although having said, I find it very unlikely that he would slip past Geelong at 32.

 

[Turbocat]

Chris , did you see Shifter top 30? Hamling? I suspect he must have heard someone is interested for him to put him that high. What do you think , top 30 a stretch or reasonable? Didn't have Lockyer for instance who I'm hoping the Cats get at 32

 

[kayliesharks]

Chris , did you see Shifter top 30? Hamling? I suspect he must have heard someone is interested for him to put him that high. What do you think , top 30 a stretch or reasonable? Didn't have Lockyer for instance who I'm hoping the Cats get at 32

I don't have Hamling in my rookie draft. I hope he knows something because he's a very raw prospect.

 

[Chris25]

I started a little update last night, and am just finishing it off now. But safe to say, Hamling will stay in my rookie draft for now. I think top 30 would be a stretch, but I've long said that teams will rate KPPs very differently. So wouldn't surprise if someone had a guy like him higher than most.

He is very much like a Joel Houghton in my opinion, and Fremantle fans saw how long he took to develop. And even then, it wasn't long enough.

 

[Chris25]

Just a little update to the first two rounds. Couple of guys slid, but except for Haynes, I don't think anyone moved up more than about 5 spots.

 

[Chris25]

I added another round to my rookie draft on the opening page - this time featuring players from the Division 2 states (New South Wales, Queensland, Tasmania and the Northern Territory). Those teams don't get as much attention as the Victorians. I did include some Scholarship holders but not all of them.


NSW/TAS/QLD/NT Rookie Draft

#1 GWS - John McKenzie (177cm midfielder - South Launceston)

The fifth Tasmanian to be taken in my draft, and this time it's the captain. McKenzie was picked in the All Australian side, although as a forward despite being an inside midfielder. While he is a classic midfielder who can win his own ball and has decent skills to match, his size is unfortunately going to count against him. I know some people rate him highly, but I see the rookie draft as being his go.

#2 Gold Coast - Dylan Riley (182cm midfielder - South Launceston)

Outside running midfielder/half back from Tasmania, there is a lot to like about Riley as a player. He's one of those types who you know what you're going to get from each game, but is also more than just a solid player. His skills are good, and he marks well for a small. Tackling pressure is probably one of the highlights of his game.

#3 Port Adelaide - Ben Brown (197cm ruckman - Devonport)

Big 19 year old ruckman/key forward, think everyone pretty much knows who he is after last year. Very good mark and speed for a ruckman, and equally good on the ground. If it wasn't for a knee injury, he would have been drafted last year.

#4 Brisbane – Richard Newell (186cm midfielder - NSW/Brisbane)

This selection is a given, just a matter of if they put him on their senior list or rookie list. Moved up to Queensland earlier in the year and has been training with the Lions too - apparently blitzing everything this week. The kid is a very good athlete, disposal could use a bit of work so that is why he seems like a rookie prospect.

#5 Adelaide - Liam Corrie (180cm forward - NT Thunder)

Really talented 19 year old with a long history now - youngest player to make a league debut for South Adelaide, major injuries and a try out with Richmond last year. Has everything you want from a small forward - skills, leap and tackling pressure. Moved to the NT this year for a fresh start, perhaps didn't have the results he was hoping for though.

#6 Melbourne - Ross Tungatulum (175cm forward - NT Thunder)

Some will remember the name as the former St Kilda rookie, and since his delisting he has gone back to the NT and has improved out of sight. Really matured too. Excellent forward crumber and strong defensively, Ross would be ready to play from Round 1. Don't think any team would have problems keeping him either.

#7 Richmond – Sam Cabrera (203cm ruckman - Queensland)

I'm not totally sure what the situation with Cabrera is. I believe he is a part of the Lions Academy next year? So might not actually be nominating for this draft, and will continue on as a 19 year old in the hopes of maybe being a zone pick for Brisbane? Anyway, for all the frankly ridiculous hype with Brewer I would take this basketball convert over him.

#8 Fremantle – Larry Owen (194cm defender - Hobart)

19 year old key defender, who was overlooked in the draft last year. But I reckon he is a good prospect. He can run all day and is agile. Kicking style is not textbook but it isn't bad considering, can kick the ball a fair way. Some of his best football is when he can zone off and rebound, so getting better in the one on ones is what he'll be working on.

#9 Western Bulldogs – Sam Michael (196cm ruckman - Redlands)

A big 19 year old kid from Queensland, Michael has long been around the mark but perhaps hasn't quite lived up the expectations on him. But he has performed pretty well in the NEAFL this year as ruckman/forward. He moves well which is why he has success playing in the middle, but can take a strong grab too. Will need to develop his game either forward or back at AFL level.

#10 North Melbourne - David Coward (176cm midfielder - NSW Rams)

A coward, he is not. Like what I did there? Just a small guy but an invite to the state screening suggests interest and for good reason too. Really impressive athletically, will run all day. Has also shown the ability to play in the midfield, down back and up forward. How high is his ceiling? I don't know, but is worth a rookie spot.

#11 Essendon - Nick Ryan (198cm forward - St George)

Another big guy from NSW, and another Scholarship holder. Injuries meant he didn't get on the field much last year, but he has come back strongly this year winning the AFL Sydney Rising Star award. Very big kick and a strong grab. Spending time in the ruck has also helped his running game.

#12 St Kilda – Michael Musicka (184cm midfielder - South Launceston)

I quite like Musicka. History says only so many Tasmanians will get picked, but on AFL attributes alone I would probably have him ahead of McKenzie. Quick winger who can run off half back, good mark too. Some suggestions of behavioural issues earlier in the year, but I'd give him a shot.

#13 Sydney – Jackson Potter (178cm midfielder - Pennant Hills)

Swans Academy member, and apparently has been invited to train with Sydney heading into the drafts too. Along with his state screening invite, things are looking pretty good for Jackson's prospects. Is a strong midfielder despite being sub 180cm, goes in hard and has pretty good skills too.

#14 Carlton – Matthew Lodge (186cm defender - Riverview)

A scholarship player for Carlton, don't know what his chances there are like but he does look a likely type. Pretty much seems like a younger version of Nick Duigan - strong courageous type, who typically plays on taller opponents.

#15 West Coast – Oliver Tweeddale (194cm defender - Belconnen)

Another Essendon Scholarship holder, it will be interesting to see what happens with him. Has a lot of potential, particularly for a KPP - has pretty much played every position imaginable so he could be developed into whatever. But the performances haven't really been there, so it isn't a given that Essendon will take him. But I can see someone liking his potential.

#16 Hawthorn – Tim Mosquito (178cm defender - Waratahs)

Don't actually have a height for him, so I've just guessed but basically he is a small defender. For those who watched Manson play in the NTFL, you might remember seeing young Mosquito and if you were anything like me you were more impressed with him than Manson. Very quick, very creative running defender with good skills. Has also performed well defensively, shutting out Tungatulum for example.

#17 Collingwood – William Farrer (180cm forward - Southern Districts)

This one is for Snoop. A long shot, but well worth a chance. He is your typical forward from the NT, huge leap and always seems to just pluck those contested marks. The fact that he has played in the ruck pretty much says how good his jump is.

#18 Geelong - Trad Duggan (180cm defender - Glenorchy)

How good is that for a name? Only played the two games for Tasmania in the U18s, and was stretchered off in that second game with a concussion. Was injured a fair bit of this season, so he might miss out this year. I just think he is a good solid player. Does everything pretty well, doesn't seem unlike fellow Taswegian Jesse Crichton.

 

[Sin City]

Agree with your write up on Dylan Riley, good job and I hope he gets picked.

Mosquito was very entertaining to watch in the Fev/Manson game, would love to see him get a crack.

 

[Chris25]

Yeah, I quite like Riley. Tasmania have a few players who could lay claim to being late selections. Even despite me leaving out the newest BigFooty flavour of the month in Aaron Hall - as well as Mitch Brewer I suppose.

Mosquito will be an interesting one. Most of the smalls at the moment are pretty stocky types like Puopolo and Blair, something he is not. But still, if you want run from the back lines you wont get much better.

 

[Bradschi]

Hey Chris25,
Lately people have been saying that Elliott Kavanagh will slip down the order and don't quote me but I think Jason Phelan and Shifter both rated him as a late first round draft pick, dropping as far as #24 to gold coast's first pick. What chances do you think Kavanagh will slip to #22? Also is he more of an outside or inside midfielder? And who would you compare his playing style to?

Look forward to your reply

 

[thoselionslads]

Good to see you throw some QLD names out there Chris!

Farrar and Tungatalem are both really exciting players. Ross has taken his game to another level this year, played a bit further up the ground at times this season which really helped develop his more of his game. Farrar's jump is enormous, really nice kick as well. I'm hoping with Murray Davis coming on board as our development coach we might have a serious look at either of these two.

Quigley was interested in Cabrera as well. I'm fairly certain he didn't finish the season with Aspley, whether that was because of injury or something else I'm unsure. The fact that he is included in the U18 squad for next year suggests it was injury.

FWIW, I agree with you 100% on Brewer.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not really sure any of the KPDs will necessarily be ready to go. Guys like Tomlinson and Talia would be physically ready and will probably be able to debut early, but might take a bit longer to really get the position down.

I still think Boseley will have the most immediate impact, despite not being as big as others. Blee and Lockyer could also play early, but Lockyer could just as easily start his career up forward.

Don't think you'd get a ready made ruckman though. Longer should get a fair few games with GWS, Bolger is probably more a second year prospect like Vardy was. And Downie will be a few year away. Otherwise it's just a mature ruck like a Sinclair.

Do you really think Boseley will have the most immediate impact? I rate him, and I think we'll take him at 32 if he gets that far, but I do think that with his build, and having recently had a shoulder reco, he's more a long term prospect than a short term one. I suppose in terms of mature age KPD I was thinking of the likelihood that we take Blee or pluck a similar option out of the state leagues (not sure if there are any better options that you rate in that arena).

Sinclair's not one I really rate (not because he doesn't have ability but because I felt he was actually better last year and poorer this year) although some clubs clearly do by him getting a combine invite again. Wouldn't be the worst insurance option as a rookie.

The club's in a tricky position with the rucks. West Vardy and Simpson are three very good young rucks and in a way we don't need any more if it inhibits their chances of playing, as we saw with West this year, when they finally actually get an opportunity, they can thrive. That said, we're not sure how early Vardy will return next year with this hip surgery, and you'd think with him still being a bit physically slight they're not going to risk him too much in the ruck when he does. And after that Grand Final you'd doubt the club will put Hawkins in the ruck again. So we may well need a cover option behind the three young ruckmen given it's a pretty phsyically demanding position-given we've only got 2 picks in the rookie draft I'd expect us to go that way, although I'm unsure who the best mature age option might be by that stage.

 

[Chris25]

Good to see you throw some QLD names out there Chris!

Quigley was interested in Cabrera as well. I'm fairly certain he didn't finish the season with Aspley, whether that was because of injury or something else I'm unsure. The fact that he is included in the U18 squad for next year suggests it was injury.

FWIW, I agree with you 100% on Brewer.

Queensland football isn't exactly a strength of mine - especially with Sexton and Yagmoor already being off the table. But until Quigley gets his draft up, I thought someone should throw a couple of names out.

Yeah, doesn't look like Cabrera is going to nominate. And I just don't understand the Brewer hype, don't know where it came from either. I'd prefer both Cabrera and Josh Kolka.

 

[cotter101]

Queensland football isn't exactly a strength of mine - especially with Sexton and Yagmoor already being off the table. But until Quigley gets his draft up, I thought someone should throw a couple of names out.

Yeah, doesn't look like Cabrera is going to nominate. And I just don't understand the Brewer hype, don't know where it came from either. I'd prefer both Cabrera and Josh Kolka.

Trust me you would be hearing a lot more about Brewer if he was playing in Victoria. I think I might have started the hype. Played well against Broc McCauley(Who looked promising) and played well against a couple of ruckman on Gold Coasts list.

 

[Chris25]

Hey Chris25,
Lately people have been saying that Elliott Kavanagh will slip down the order and don't quote me but I think Jason Phelan and Shifter both rated him as a late first round draft pick, dropping as far as #24 to gold coast's first pick. What chances do you think Kavanagh will slip to #22? Also is he more of an outside or inside midfielder? And who would you compare his playing style to?

Look forward to your reply

Yeah, I reckon there would be a good chance of him lasting until #22. Personally I wouldn't let him slip that far. On talent alone, he would probably go in the top 15 with GWS in the box seat and I still think they'd seriously look at him considering how many picks they have.

But even though he passed a physical at the combine, some might still have some questions over him - might be enough to make teams like Brisbane and Richmond overlook him. While Fremantle and the Bulldogs might prefer to go taller with their picks.

I still think of Colin Sylvia when I look for someone to compare him to. Good size and strong in the air, can also play that mix of inside and outside roles.

 

[Turbocat]

Trust me you would be hearing a lot more about Brewer if he was playing in Victoria. I think I might have started the hype. Played well against Broc McCauley(Who looked promising) and played well against a couple of ruckman on Gold Coasts list.

and as much as he looks a little Mumford like its this that really resonates with me when comparing the two. He looks like he is playing with a non professional body yet is still capable of playing well against drafted guys. Put him in the system as Rookie and who knows how far he can go.

Chris , the Bootsma name got a right up on the AFL website as a possible bolter who may now be 1st round pick, what your opinion on him

 

[cotter101]

and as much as he looks a little Mumford like its this that really resonates with me when comparing the two. He looks like he is playing with a non professional body yet is still capable of playing well against drafted guys. Put him in the system as Rookie and who knows how far he can go.

Chris , the Bootsma name got a right up on the AFL website as a possible bolter who may now be 1st round pick, what your opinion on him

He did play Rugby League at one stage, More likely to go in the rookie draft. He is 204cm and 115kg he is also still growing.

 

[dlanod]

And I just don't understand the Brewer hype, don't know where it came from either.

I'm guessing from here...

Trust me you would be hearing a lot more about Brewer if he was playing in Victoria. I think I might have started the hype.

 

[Chris25]

Do you really think Boseley will have the most immediate impact? I rate him, and I think we'll take him at 32 if he gets that far, but I do think that with his build, and having recently had a shoulder reco, he's more a long term prospect than a short term one.

Don't quite know what it is about Boseley, but provided he is fit, I can just see him having a real impact next year. He is a smart player and really plays to his strengths. Guess it will depend on which club drafts him though - but I could see him slotting into a team with a strong defensive structure.

Trust me you would be hearing a lot more about Brewer if he was playing in Victoria. I think I might have started the hype. Played well against Broc McCauley(Who looked promising) and played well against a couple of ruckman on Gold Coasts list.

Perhaps, but you could probably say that for all Division 2 players. He might well be a late rookie, and good luck to him. But I didn't jump on the Chalwell bandwagon last year and I think I'll stay off this one too.

I'm probably on enough of my own bandwagons at the moment anyway.