Scandal Cy Walsh not guilty of murdering Phil Walsh due to mental incompetence

[10571z]

People saying that this sentence is unfair clearly don't understand mental health.

It's the biggest issue in Australia and it's only getting worse

I think the problem is ok he might have a mental health problem but with that condition he is capable of murdering his own dad. Obviously he is capable of being a killer and the fact he could potentially be allowed it society if the doctors think he has ticked all the boxes is mind boggeling.
No doctor can guarantee someone likes that behaviour.

If your brain is capable of allowing you to perform such atrocities you should be spending the rest of your life locked up.

Not to mention you as a human are guilty on the crime. Regardless of your mental state at the time.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

if his mental health issues were as bad as has been reported how in the hell was he released in the first place.

 

[Busse]

I don't think anyone doubts that he is not right mentally. But there is still the fact that he murdered his father. To be found 'not guilty' is a bit ridiculous. He should have been found 'guilty of murder under mental issues' or something to that effect.

People on here claiming that the drug use has led him down this path to a mental illness. That's no excuse. Every cat and their dog knows drugs are illegal and to thumb your nose at that and take the risk of the side effects is no excuse to be found 'not guilty'. This young man had major demons and will likely spend his life in a mental institution but to be found 'not guilty' to me is wrong and comes across as a weak ruling.

Its another case showing the weak legal system we have that lets people be found 'not guilty' or let out on parole. This bloke will spend time in a mental institution but for how long no-one knows. Be interesting to see if he is allowed back out and goes and kills someone else, what will those defending the decision be saying?

'Murder: the wilful killing of a person either intentionally or with reckless indifference to life'
That is the Australian Governments definition of murder.
The public do not know the full extent of Cy Walsh's Mental Ilness. He obviously did not wilfully kill his father, so there is no way he can be charged for murder in any form.

 

[Busse]

I think the problem is ok he might have a mental health problem but with that condition he is capable of murdering his own dad. Obviously he is capable of being a killer and the fact he could potentially be allowed it society if the doctors think he has ticked all the boxes is mind boggeling.
No doctor can guarantee someone likes that behaviour.

If your brain is capable of allowing you to perform such atrocities you should be spending the rest of your life locked up.

Not to mention you as a human are guilty on the crime. Regardless of your mental state at the time.

Its not just doctors who need to approve his release, any move for Cy has to go through the supreme court and with such a high profile case, he will never be out of some form of psychiatric facility.

 

[Old navy]

The kid might have got off light in the courts, but I seriously doubt the family would ever forgive him.
Which will make it so much harder for him to recover as no one will be there to support him.
Will have to live with this for the rest of his life, can't imagine it would be good to be Cy Walsh these days.
Wonder if he continues to break bad or turn his life around.

 

[PP34]

if his mental health issues were as bad as has been reported how in the hell was he released in the first place.

He was never released from anywhere. He was diagnosed, and it's clear reading what happened in the last few days of Phil Walsh's life that Cy had tremendous support from both parents, particularly his mother and that unfortunately allowed for this to happen.

He mentioning stabbing his father to a friend, his mother was aware of it, several other things happened that should have had him off for help, but it didn't because the family was so supportive of him, until it was too late and he was on the loose.

 

[PP34]

I think the problem is ok he might have a mental health problem but with that condition he is capable of murdering his own dad. Obviously he is capable of being a killer and the fact he could potentially be allowed it society if the doctors think he has ticked all the boxes is mind boggeling.
No doctor can guarantee someone likes that behaviour.

If your brain is capable of allowing you to perform such atrocities you should be spending the rest of your life locked up.

Not to mention you as a human are guilty on the crime. Regardless of your mental state at the time.

He's not fit for jail. Jail is for rehabilitation, Cy has a mental illness which needs to be treated with medication and other methods. He isn't free to roam the streets either. No idea where you're getting that idea from.

Schizophrenia can be treated with meds anyway, and if it had been diagnosed earlier, Phil Walsh is most likely still alive.

You clearly don't have a great understanding of how the law work either. Intent is important. It has been proven that Cy suffered an episode and had no control or understanding over what he was doing. He didn't know right from wring. So he's not guilty, but that does not mean he didn't do it. The only effect from the verdict is that Cy is now sent to a place much better suited to caring for him.

Again, he's not free to walk the streets.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Its not just doctors who need to approve his release, any move for Cy has to go through the supreme court and with such a high profile case, he will never be out of some form of psychiatric facility.

Not sure about that. The fact that he was found not guilty means he's likely to be eligible for release at some point, under supervision, if he's assessed as not being a threat to the community.

 

[Busse]

Not sure about that. The fact that he was found not guilty means he's likely to be eligible for release at some point, under supervision, if he's assessed as not being a threat to the community.

The thing is he could never have been convicted as guilty, due to his mental capabilities.

 

[Ando727]

There's no functional difference between "not guilty by reason of mental defect" or "guilty by reason of mental defect". We should put that discussion aside because it leads nowhere - ultimately it's just semantics. To understand the case, you still have to delve in deeper with the particulars. It strikes me that there were numerous warning signs that something bad was coming, and the parents are probably partly responsible for evasive action not being taken - but that's what's so hard about it. Parents don't want to wash their hands of their children (generally). They try and try, but ultimately they are often in over their heads and are ill-equipped to deal with the level of problem their child has. I think both his mother and father were very concerned about him, but they didn't get him into secure care in time. Unfortunately, it cost Phil his life.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The thing is he could never have been convicted as guilty, due to his mental capabilities.

Was he actually found unfit to stand trial, or did the prosecution simply not contest the insanity plea? Does acceptance of the plea (i.e. rather than going to trial) mean he's less likely to be released at some point in the future?

 

[GreyCrow]

The kid might have got off light in the courts, but I seriously doubt the family would ever forgive him.

So far from being correct as to be laughed at.

His mother has released a statement saying she loves her son and hopes he gets the help he needs. She forgives him.

 

[Old navy]

So far from being correct as to be laughed at.

His mother has released a statement saying she loves her son and hopes he gets the help he needs. She forgives him.

Really wow. I guess mother's only ever see the good. How about the sister ? She seemed pretty dark on Cy at the time.

 

[GreyCrow]

Really wow. I guess mother's only ever see the good. How about the sister ? She seemed pretty dark on Cy at the time.

She has deliberately stayed out of the spotlight

 

[Kappa]

Now this killer is allowed to walk around in our community.

It's really great how nicely we treat killers... Shame the victims get nothing.

 

[the harry]

Now this killer is allowed to walk around in our community.

It's really great how nicely we treat killers... Shame the victims get nothing.

You'd hope he has received treatment for his issues and it's now considered a much lower risk than he was at the time of the incident.

Additionally, the practicalities of giving the victim anything are slightly complicated so that makes it hard.

 

[Kappa]

You'd hope he has received treatment for his issues and it's now considered a much lower risk than he was at the time of the incident.

Additionally, the practicalities of giving the victim anything are slightly complicated so that makes it hard.

Well thank god that a "lower risk" killer is now walking around our streets with our kids and mothers.

Hope he is given everything he needs including free care, free food, counselling and all that good stuff.

 

[the harry]

Well thank god that a "lower risk" killer is now walking around our streets with our kids and mothers.

Hope he is given everything he needs including free care, free food, counselling and all that good stuff.

Yeah ideally there are things in place to help him transition back into society but probably unlikely to live a life of luxury that you make out.

Your hardline on law and order is a bit surprising though. At what point is someone irredeemable or not deserving the chance to try and be less of a burden on society?

 

[justlookingaround]

Hope he is given everything he needs including free care, free food, counselling and all that good stuff.

Would be more of a risk to society if he wasn’t.

 

[Kappa]

Yeah ideally there are things in place to help him transition back into society but probably unlikely to live a life of luxury that you make out.

Your hardline on law and order is a bit surprising though. At what point is someone irredeemable or not deserving the chance to try and be less of a burden on society?

I think killers should be locked away for a very long time, either in jail or a mental asylum.

A few years and then they're walking our streets is disgusting.

 

[Kappa]

Would be more of a risk to society if he wasn’t.

Wouldn't be any risk if he was locked up.

 

[Malifice]

Well thank god that a "lower risk" killer is now walking around our streets with our kids and mothers.

Hope he is given everything he needs including free care, free food, counselling and all that good stuff.

Nah. Much better to let psychotic people be desperate, homeless, hungry and without any counselling at all.

Because that'll end well.

 

[Malifice]

Wouldn't be any risk if he was locked up.

Mate, he wasnt himself when he killed his dad. It was agreed on by the prosecution he was not in his right mind.

Why would we lock up someone who wasn't responsible for their own actions?

 

[Kappa]

Nah. Much better to let psychotic people be desperate, homeless, hungry and without any counselling at all.

Because that'll end well.

Much better to lock them up in a mental asylum, not walk the streets.

 

[Kappa]

Mate, he wasnt himself when he killed his dad. It was agreed on by the prosecution he was not in his right mind.

Why would we lock up someone who wasn't responsible for their own actions?

Because he is a danger to society..?