Deepest list

[blueiris]

You either don't follow footy closely or slept through 2014...

I'm sure I said hardly have any injuries but sure be a smartarse about it

 

[HeHateMe]

This. It's pretty much why I made this thread. Hawks have been by far the deepest list over the last few, but not any more I reckon. Maybe it's just because I haven't seen a lot of the ones coming though but IMO other lists are deeper now. Like West Coast, and I'm hoping North but were yet to see it so can't get too pumped up

Agreed, we are most certainly still in the conversation though.

players who didn't play GF:
Langford, Hartung, Litherland, Whitecross, Spangher, Cegler, Fitzpatrick.
All these blokes are established players at the grade of young players who have shown a lot at afl level.
Then there is: O'rourke, Howe, Sicily, Woodward, O'Brian.
All young and have AFL experience.

if we were then to include players who are yet to debut for various reasons like: drafted this year or International rookie outside the list most hawks supporters who be quite confident to add Heatherley, Burton and Lovell as good options to make an impact in 2016.

 

[TyHawk]

In the gf , Hawthorn had 3 players that could have easily been in the premiership team , Ceglar, Hartung and Langford all played some significant part of the success in the past two years. Then you have Whitex and Spangher who have been a part of the program for a while now and at their best could easily be considered as well. Add Relatively new Sicily, Howe and Jor and there's a fair case to mount for the Hawks to be heading into 2016 with a healthy unch of players to pick from.

 

[HeHateMe]

Those saying Hawthorn are kidding themselves they hardly lose anyone to injury teams with injuries would have deeper lists hate to say it but teams like GWS and Collingwood are the teams with the deepest lists

We lose as much as anyone, you just don't notice it because our depth and cover has been so good over the years. this is why losing any one individual isn't as detrimental to the hawthorn system then it might be to other clubs. Hence losing Buddy then going 3 peat.

 

[HeHateMe]

There guys were best 22. You can't quite count them as depth.

but the blokes under them who where depth are now best 22. the loss is felt. its logical.

Example 1 Guerra into Duryea.
Example 2 Hale into Cegler.

 

[Big Bryza]

I'm sure I said hardly have any injuries but sure be a smartarse about it

That doesn't make sense.

You do realise the quality of players they had out in 2014?

 

[Mitchell54]

Those saying Hawthorn are kidding themselves they hardly lose anyone to injury teams with injuries would have deeper lists hate to say it but teams like GWS and Collingwood are the teams with the deepest lists

Think mid 2014. We were rampaged with injuries(including our coach). You could see the drop off but we still managed to keep winning games.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/0d23e618d477b6317d6e84ccd0226250
http://www.injuryupdate.com.au/afl-hawthorn-hawks-injury-list.php

 

[Donkey Chop]

Ok so Norths depth is,

MIDS, Trent Dumont, Farren Ray, Kayne Turner, Will Fordham, Ryan Clarke, Corey Wagner, Mountford

RUCKS, Daw, Pruess (obviously Norths weakest depth)

UTILITIES, Mason Wood, Brad Mckenzie, Vickers-Willis

General Defenders, Mullett, McDonald,

KP, Tippett, Neilsen, Durdin, McKay,

GENRAL FORWARDS, Garner, Black, Andersen, Nahas,

Wild card, Wells

 

[Kwality]

Probably not. However we do have a lot of good/very good players right across the board. We also have a lot of AFL standard players just waiting for thier chance in the 2s

Not being critical, maybe its a no names thing on my part, how many of the depth players will stand up when required, as distinct from getting a go/knocking on the door.
I acknowledge I felt the same way about the Eagles list this time last year.

Note I hadn't read your post above.

 

[CollarJazzKnee]

Geelong have the best ruck depth- if any stay fit (which is unlikely)

 

[Donkey Chop]

Not being critical, maybe its a no names thing on my part, how many of the depth players will stand up when required, as distinct from getting a go/knocking on the door.
I acknowledge I felt the same way about the Eagles list this time last year.

I can only point to Norths ability to cover injuries over the last couple of years. Some of Norths best wins have been without thier best players.

 

[HeHateMe]

Ok so Norths depth is,

MIDS, Trent Dumont, Farren Ray, Kayne Turner, Will Fordham, Ryan Clarke, Corey Wagner, Mountford

RUCKS, Daw, Pruess (obviously Norths weakest depth)

UTILITIES, Mason Wood, Brad Mckenzie, Vickers-Willis

General Defenders, Mullett, McDonald,

KP, Tippett, Neilsen, Durdin, McKay,

GENRAL FORWARDS, Garner, Black, Andersen, Nahas,

Wild card, Wells

Of that list 9 havent played AFL yet but leaves a healthy 35 players who have the experience.

On the flip side my hawthorn hawks have a group of 31 players with afl experience and 15 without.

i think i read somewhere the average players used in a afl year is 36?

this alone doesn't tell the whole story on who has the better depth because we are not comparing the players individually but it shows that north have got themselves into a position where they may not have to debut anyone this commencing season while in contrast hawthorn have just about came out and said that as a club we will be looking to.

 

[WWSD]

Geelong.

The Cats list is better heading into this season then this time last year. The only weakness on the Cats playing list is the lack of small forwards. Apart from that Geelong's list is in good shape for 2016 which should see then making the finals.

 

[Mitchell54]

Hawks depth, Depth on 2015 GF:

Key Defenders: Heatherley, Brand, Spangher

Small/Medium Defenders: Litherland, Webster, Miles, Whitecross

Midfielders: Howe, W Langford, O'Rourke, Hartung, Lovell, Woodward*, Stewart*

Rucks: Pittonet, Ceglar, Fitzpatrick

Key Forwards: Burton, O'Brien, Tatapu*

Small/Medium Forwards: Hardwick, Sicily, Willsmore

Small/Medium Utility: L Langford*, Glass*

Tall Utility: Surman*


Our Midfield depth is our best followed probably by our Small/Medium Defenders.

 

[Vic pokiesmon]

Hate posting in threads saying look at my team but id be surprised if anyone has better depth than the giants.
If not depth then definitely the club that has the players with the most post season trading currency.
These are our depth players according to AFL staff writers.I have Kelly as best 22 but they didn't .I have shown where they were drafted.Not because that's still there value but better than providing a random opinion.
Depth players
2-Kelly,
4-Buntine,
4Pickett
5 Hoskin Elliot
6 Ahern,
7Hopper
7Marchbank
13Kennedy
16 Himmelberg

In 20s and tracking nicely are Stewart and Lobb.Wilson and Kennedy are also tracking nicely.Mckenna still a fair way off.

 

[Donkey Chop]

Hate posting in threads saying look at my team but id be surprised if anyone has better depth than the giants.
If not depth then definitely the club that has the players with the most post season trading currency.
These are our depth players according to AFL staff writers.I have Kelly as best 22 but they didn't .I have shown where they were drafted.Not because that's still there value but better than providing a random opinion.
Depth players
2-Kelly,
4-Buntine,
4Pickett
5 Hoskin Elliot
6 Ahern,
7Hopper
7Marchbank
13Kennedy
16 Himmelberg

In 20s and tracking nicely are Stewart and Lobb.Wilson and Kennedy are also tracking nicely.Mckenna still a fair way off.

It's defiantly handy for the future, but as it stands most of them are still kids. Scary in a year or two though

Edit: definitely not difiantly. Thanks @Kwality

 

[Kwality]

Hate posting in threads saying look at my team but id be surprised if anyone has better depth than the giants.
If not depth then definitely the club that has the players with the most post season trading currency.
These are our depth players according to AFL staff writers.I have Kelly as best 22 but they didn't .I have shown where they were drafted.Not because that's still there value but better than providing a random opinion.
Depth players
2-Kelly,
4-Buntine,
4Pickett
5 Hoskin Elliot
6 Ahern,
7Hopper
7Marchbank
13Kennedy
16 Himmelberg

In 20s and tracking nicely are Stewart and Lobb.Wilson and Kennedy are also tracking nicely.Mckenna still a fair way off.

Depth or potential ? Kids aren't depth, performing at the top level takes application of talent, not talent alone.

 

[Kwality]

It's defiantly handy for the future, but as it stands most of them are still kids. Scary in a year or two though

defiantly .. ... roger that !!

 

[Donkey Chop]

defiantly .. ... roger that !!

Yeah me no speakenz the good English

 

[actiongreggars]

More than one? Nah. VB, Grigg, Jaensch, Henderson, Atkins, Otten and Lyons have all shown themselves to be decent AFL players at stages. Otten the only one to not do so recently due to injury.

As for Port. Of those 7 the draw was pretty easy if you look at it; Essendon, Saints, GWS (who had tailed away late in the year), Gold Coast and a depleted Fremantle. Hawks the only decent win.

Its a bit rich saying the draw was soft for us at this point of the season, when its widely acknowledged your entire season was built around a soft draw.

 

[SterlingArcher]

I thought I would take a somewhat objective view, applying Supercoach scores as the 'best' indicator. Results below, but now wonder if they are at all valuable.

3300pts per game, 44 players = 75.0 points as true "Average"

Adelaide 4 (Sloane, Jacobs, Thompson, Laird)
Brisbane 8 (Beams, Martin, Rockliff, Zorko, Hanley, Redden, Robinson, Christensen)
Carlton 9 (Murphy, Cripps, Simpson, Kreuzer, Carazzo, Bell, Docherty, Graham, Curnow)
Collingwood 8 (Pendelbury, Sidebottom, Adams, Swan, Crisp, Grundy, Williams, Langdon)
Essendon 4 (Goddard, Giles, Hocking, Merrett)
Fremantle 8 (Fyfe, Mundy, Sandilands, Neale, Smith, Hill, Barlow, BENNELL)
Geelong 13 (Blicavs, Selwood, Enright, Guthrie, Caddy, Mackie, Duncan, Vardy, Motlop, Bartel, Johnson, Taylor, DANGERFIELD)
Hawthorn 5 (Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Gunston, Shiels)
Melbourne 8 (Vince, McDonald, Gawn, Viney, Cross, White, Hogan)
North Melbourne 2 (Goldstein, Higgins)
Port Adelaide 10 (Gray, Hartlett, Boak, Ebert, Wines, Gray, Wingard, Westhoff, Pittard, Ryder)
Richmond 12 (Deledio, Martin, Ellis, Edwards, Miles, Thomas, Cotchin, Rance, Houli, Maric, Riewoldt, Grigg)
St Kilda 7 (Armitage, Montagna, Steven, Newnes, Roberton, Riewoldt, Billings)
Sydney 8 (Hannebery, Kennedy, Jack, Parker, Mitchell, McVeigh, Franklin, Tippett)
Bulldogs 9 (Dalhaus, Bontempelli, Macrae, Wallis, Picken, Boyd, Stevens, Murphy, Wood)
Eagles 5 (Priddis, Gaff, Naitanui, Shuey, Kennedy)
GC 6 (Ablett, Prestia, Swallow, Rischitelli, Kolodashnij, Lynch, Saad)
GWS 11 (Shaw, Ward, Shiel, Treloar, Mumford, Smith, Griffen, Townsend, Patfull, Coniglio, Greene)

Seeing that list, it would appear the less players >75 average, the better the team, with both Grand Finalists right at the bottom, whilst Richmond, Geelong, GWS, Port and Carlton are near the top.

Am I missing something? Just from top of my head Brent Harvey & Jobe Watson both averaged 75+ (Both in the 90's). But then include Vardy & Townsend (who is now at Tigers not GWS).

Could you elaborate on your list, because if it's strictly using 75 points as the 'average' marker and counting players who averaged above that in 2015, I think it's quite odd you've only named about 130 players?

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Am I missing something? Just from top of my head Brent Harvey & Jobe Watson both averaged 75+ (Both in the 90's). But then include Vardy & Townsend (who is now at Tigers not GWS).

Could you elaborate on your list, because if it's strictly using 75 points as the 'average' marker and counting players who averaged above that in 2015, I think it's quite odd you've only named about 130 players?

Yeah, no idea what happened there. Just looked at site again, completely different results. Ignore my other post.

 

[GumbyRules]

I think the list on the afl website the other day showing players that are eligible for rising star. Both the hawks and Lions had 16... just shows depth from the bottom up..

 

[Jesslc]

2014 lost Sam Mitchell, Josh Gibson, Brian Lake, Luke Hodge, Ben Stratton, Brad Sewell, Liam Shiels, Jack Gunston just to name a few and still win the flag... Indicates a little bit of depth

Yeah not all at the same time....

 

[The Swert]

Not Hawthorn. We will likely get shown up if/when our older players start getting calf (old man) injuries.

I would pick West Coast, Collingwood or GWS.

It's always a hard question though because depth players almost by definition don't get called upon very often so it's hard to judge their competence. We can judge by previous performance, but that could be limited or from years ago. Or we could judge by potential, but every club is always optimistic in that regard and comparisons never work out.