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They wouldn't need to be. They'd still be advantaged because the oppo has just lost one of their blokes with concussion.
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The simple fact is if we had a send-off rule...
1) the AFL umpires would almost certainly find ways to get it wrong and f**k things up and;
2) we'd get dozens of smart-arse campaigners from every club devoting their entire playing careers to trying to get their opponents sent off and to obtain a numerical advantage for their team.
So the simple answer is NO. We do not need the send off rule.
We're better off wearing these sorts of unfair "Stewart/Prestia" situations which occur once or twice per year in order to avoid ruining the sport for the other 200 games per year.
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Having said that, it does seem incongruous that the AFL is the ONLY sporting league in the world which does not empower anyone to eject players who commit flagrant acts of violence (and this includes all country, suburban, amateur and junior Aussie football leagues which do have the send off rule)
The AFL, VFL, WAFL and SANFL (and I assume the TFL??)
Theoretically, a player could have a mental breakdown, or a psychotic episode and coward punch 3 different opponents and then kick another opponent in the head and technically, he would still able to play out the match. He would have to be arrested by police in order to be removed from the field of play.
Crazy.
So you bring in a send-off rule to cover that obvious, flagrant violence and it won't be long before Cornes, King, and every other pinhead will be arguing for the send-off rule to also apply to the line-ball acts of violence (mistimed bumps, etc)
The thin edge of the wedge.
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If the AFL had a centralised 3rd umpire video review system which worked like it does in the NHL hockey, then we could be confident they would administer the rule correctly, ignore the stagers and single out players appropriately for possible ejections.
Sort of a floating MRO which operated in real time and relayed their decision for the umps to quickly review and make a decision.
This would be ideal.
1) the AFL umpires would almost certainly find ways to get it wrong and f**k things up and;
2) we'd get dozens of smart-arse campaigners from every club devoting their entire playing careers to trying to get their opponents sent off and to obtain a numerical advantage for their team.
So the simple answer is NO. We do not need the send off rule.
We're better off wearing these sorts of unfair "Stewart/Prestia" situations which occur once or twice per year in order to avoid ruining the sport for the other 200 games per year.
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Having said that, it does seem incongruous that the AFL is the ONLY sporting league in the world which does not empower anyone to eject players who commit flagrant acts of violence (and this includes all country, suburban, amateur and junior Aussie football leagues which do have the send off rule)
The AFL, VFL, WAFL and SANFL (and I assume the TFL??)
Theoretically, a player could have a mental breakdown, or a psychotic episode and coward punch 3 different opponents and then kick another opponent in the head and technically, he would still able to play out the match. He would have to be arrested by police in order to be removed from the field of play.
Crazy.
So you bring in a send-off rule to cover that obvious, flagrant violence and it won't be long before Cornes, King, and every other pinhead will be arguing for the send-off rule to also apply to the line-ball acts of violence (mistimed bumps, etc)
The thin edge of the wedge.
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If the AFL had a centralised 3rd umpire video review system which worked like it does in the NHL hockey, then we could be confident they would administer the rule correctly, ignore the stagers and single out players appropriately for possible ejections.
Sort of a floating MRO which operated in real time and relayed their decision for the umps to quickly review and make a decision.
This would be ideal.
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So you'd happy with a player being restricted from playing if they done nothing wrong?
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Alistair Lynch in the 2004 Grand Final would have been a good candidate, got 10 weeks but it didn't matter because he was retiring
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If you could trust the umps to effectively administer it, sure. But that's an IF the size of a large planet
Gridiron, Baseball and Ice hockey don't have a send-off rule. They have an ejection rule, which means the offending player can no longer play in the game, but can be replaced. So their team is not one player down on the field. I like this option for AFL.
Prefer if this was installed if the sub rule got scrapped (awful rule anyway by amateur AFL) and bench extended.
Yes the player will serve punishment after the game but imo taking that player out of the current game is as much a consequence and a let down for your team than being replaced the following weeks you're suspended.
Yes the player will serve punishment after the game but imo taking that player out of the current game is as much a consequence and a let down for your team than being replaced the following weeks you're suspended.
May only happen once every 5 years or so but yes.
100% we need a send off rule.
E.g.
Barry Hall.
Andrew Gaff.
Has to be an option.
Never taken lightly. Very rare. But has to be an option.
It's an absolute joke you can knock somebody out off the ball when they aren't even looking and then go on and your team wins with the other team a player down.
100% we need a send off rule.
E.g.
Barry Hall.
Andrew Gaff.
Has to be an option.
Never taken lightly. Very rare. But has to be an option.
It's an absolute joke you can knock somebody out off the ball when they aren't even looking and then go on and your team wins with the other team a player down.
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I think discussion about the introduction of a send off rule has nothing to do with club loyalty at all.
The three big factors why it now makes sense:
1. New science on concussion.
2. Society attitudes against violence have changed.
3. Way better video technology to help accuracy so the right decision can be made with off field assistance.
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So what I hear you saying is, if someone wants to knock an opponent into next week and keep playing, as long as it happens "in the contest" you're okay with it? I can almost imagine players lining opponents up in contests if more leniency were given in such circumstances. I feel like I may even have seen video footage of it.
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I don't think we need a send off rule.. Those kinda hits are pretty rare these days... It will just be another rule the AFL will exploit.. First we start off with big hits, then the rule will get watered down year after year...
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It's in country footy already. So should be in AFL.
You can't have a concussion send off rule, with no send of rule for the crime.
You can't have a concussion send off rule, with no send of rule for the crime.
It was brought into country footy after the 1990 ovens and Murray grand final, where it was a fist fight first for one team. It's rarely used and it's only used for behind the ball hits.
That doesn't happen in the AFL, if Prestia took possession of the ball, Stewart would have tackled him, instead he taps it on a d Stewart keeps running. I'd expect nothing less from a player in a big build up game or a final, AFL is still a brutal sport, it's what makes it so different to any other, if he Stewart didn't collect prestias head we wouldn't be talking about it
Gaff and Hall??
That's two examples in 20 years
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Stewart didn't need to go through him. If it's worth 4 weeks it's worth a red card.
Players can no longer keep playing with concussion, so neither should the other player.
The 90s are over.
Not so much for bumps, but purposefully punching blokes in the back of the head off the play... I think that deserves an immediate send-off. Goes awry, and you should be looking at criminal charges to be honest.
Anyway, Vlaustin gone for the year.
Anyway, Vlaustin gone for the year.
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