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This one's been on my mind for a while, and I believe is set to become more relevant with the imminent introduction of a 17th and then an 18th team into the AFL over the next handful of years.

Do we need to offer more of an incentive to clubs and supporters in the form of added silverware during our football season?

Obviously nothing will ever surpass the Premiership. That will always remain as the ultimate reward for AFL clubs and their respective supporters. It will hopefully forever stand as the pinnacle of achievement in our football code.

But over the last twenty years or so, the mathematical odds of a club (and I will continue to accompany this with the “and their supporters”) enjoying such success is continually declining. Even in a perfect setting with no hegemonies, settling for only one Flag every 18th year is a lot to ask of the modern fan. Especially given our proclivity to judge premierships as the only true measure of success nowadays.

And realistically, given that some clubs tend to dominate for a three or four year period, Premierships could very well be thirty or forty or fifity years in the making as the code unfolds into the future. In reality, some supporters will never get to taste success. A lot of people - mad footy supporters - reading this post will never know what it is like to see their club win a Premiership in the AFL.

So, with this in mind, is there a need to reward our fans a little more regularly – give them something else to hang their hat on in terms of silverware? Is the code big enough now to warrant a secondary incentive each season?

The English FA still holds the Barclays Premiership as the pinnacle, but rewards its clubs in other ways with the FA Cup, the Carling (League) Cup, as well as other carrots like Champions League qualification, Europa League qualification, and just the mere avoidance of relegation each season. For us in the AFL, it’s a bit of a case of Premiership, or nothing.

Does the Ashes lose any significance or merit due to the existence of the World Cup? Does the Superbowl mean less to a team because it has won the AFC or NFC title? Does an Italian Cup triumph detract from Series A success? In all of these cases, the answer is an emphatic 'no'. I doubt it would ever reach a point like Rugby League where State of Origin takes precedence over the regular Premiership season.

In my opinion, we have the perfect opportunity over the next decade to introduce a secondary competition offering a desirable piece of silverware at its conclusion each season. Not the feeble Wizard/NAB Cup pre-season type arrangement, which is really just a series or glorified practice matches to blood youngsters and try some new rules out. To be honest, I’m struggling to remember who actually won that bloody thing this year, let alone over the last half dozen years. If i was offered the choice, I will always prefer my team to have a win in Round 1 of the real stuff rather than all four NAB Cup games.

What I'm suggesting here is a real Australian Football League Cup title, running simultaneously with the Premiership season throughout the autumn/winter months, with a climax at about Round 14/15 each year.

It would probably require that the Premiership season be reduced to 17 rounds, with each of the 18 teams playing every other team once. 8 home, 8 away, and one shared derby. The other 6 weeks which currently make up our 23-week H&A season are to be dedicated to the AFL Cup, which would be interspersed throughout Rounds 1-14 as follows.

• Six groups of three teams per group (eg. Gp 1 – Geelong, Essendon, Brisbane Gp. 2 – St Kilda, Port, Richmond etc..) who will each play the other two teams in their group once – one home, one away)

• Maybe these round-robin rounds could be played - once pre-season and then between Rounds 2/3, 5/6 ?

• The highest ranking team in each group, as well as the best two second-placed teams, will progress through to the Quarter Final stage.

• Four Quarter Finals (maybe between Rds 8/9), then two Semi Finals (between Rds 11/12 ?), then one Final (between Rds 14/15 ?) will then take place.


Drawbacks clearly do exist.

• For instance, eight clubs would only be playing 20 games in a season, whilst two clubs would play 23. Maybe rookies could be available for Cup matches to ease the load on the 38 listed players ?

• Would the public support the concept? If the prize was made rewarding enough, the crowds and TV audience would come, especially to the finals series eg. From my own club’s perspective, I’m certain that if Richmond supporters had something to hang their season’s hat on in the form of a $2M Cup Final, despite the fact that they sit 14th on the Premiership ladder at Round 14, they would fill the MCG.

• Is a 17-round Premiership season sufficient to reveal the best 8 teams for a Finals series in September? Maybe, maybe not. At the very least it would bring equity into a present skewed draw process.


The easy thing would be to just go on as we are. Don’t get me wrong, despite the fact that there’s quite a few things wrong with the current system (eg. draw inequity, lack of reward for supporters over entire generations, reduced emphasis amongst some clubs on remaining competitive all the way through to Round 22 etc), we all still seem to love our footy season.

But I still reckon we need to re-assess every now and then, think out of the box occasionally, and maybe look for ways of further improving our code and enhancing our passion for the AFL. Especially when changes seem inevitable that could erode what we currently find most rewarding about our sport.
 
Good point, some clubs might never see another premiership. If the Bullies or Saints fail in the next few years, their fans might be waiting another 20 - 30 years.

I beleive that we need to celebrate the 'minor premiers' more like they do in the EPL. Maybe a $1,000,000 cheque and gold cup from the AFL could be awarded publically after the H&A season?
 

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I think its a really good idea. I'm not often someone who likes changing the game, but i think this has alot of merit and allows struggling teams another way to have a part of the season. I can see some problems with it like you said where some teams wont play as many games per year as others, but so be it. I guess when you look at it the minimum amount of games played would be 20 which is only 2 less than now, so really its not that big of a deal.
Plus with the real season only playing each other once it really evens up the draw. The only thing i would suggest is to have the second comp start later in the season so that clubs can then focus their efforts on one or both cups depending on where they are positioned at that time in the year.

Thumbs up from me through, its a great idea. :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::D
 
Good point, some clubs might never see another premiership. If the Bullies or Saints fail in the next few years, their fans might be waiting another 20 - 30 years.

I beleive that we need to celebrate the 'minor premiers' more like they do in the EPL. Maybe a $1,000,000 cheque and gold cup from the AFL could be awarded publically after the H&A season?
I agree with awarding the minor premiers more. It is a great achievement to be the best team home and away over the season, should be recognised more.
 

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I think we need a parallel comp running on Tuesday/Wenesday nights. Needs to be set up in a format that encourages clubs to play youngsters though. i.e No more than 12 players selected on Tuesday nights game, can play on the following weekend. A round robin or pool format where clubs are only required to play about once a month and their corresponding home and away games are scheduled for Sundays to give a bigger break afterward.

Provides an extra game a week for TV coverage. Provides an opportunity for all the rookies and juniors to play.
 
If Rookies are able to play, teams will most likely just play kids in the new 'tournament.'

Sure it would be great to be able to get a better look at young kids and fringe players, but I can see it being just a 'mickey mouse' competition.

I'd be up for it though. It would mean more than the pre season cup, but wouldnt take anything away from the premiership season.
 
Hear, hear. I reckon this is a bloody exceptional idea. Some of us are getting bored with the season knowing that their club isn't going to make finals and need something else to get excited about. A cup along those lines would be the perfect way to get that excitement back up :)
 
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but are you saying that basically the same teams would be kinda playing in two comps in parallel. With the second comp spread throughout the first.

I can see one of two things happening here. Either the same teams would dominate both comps, defeating the purpose you are bring this up for. Or teams dominating the premiership comp would rest their players during the weeks they play in the other comp, which might give other teams a chance.

Perhaps a better option may be to create a secondary league that runs purely parallel to the main league that would be used in place of the local leagues (WAFL SAFL etc) for AFL teams to drop players to. The issue here for the AFL though I guess would of course be TV rights, crowd numbers and stadiums to use as the games would be played at the same time as AFL matches.

Perhaps some form of your idea but a cap on player experince as a way for getting more experience in to younger players.

Personally though, I'm just not sure any kind of secondary comp would get enough interest. SOO has already failed, no body really cares all that much about the NAB Cup.
 
Let's have a "lightning carnival" that I remember from Juniors. That's was always a good weekend - two days, 3-4 matches, each match half an hour long, with two fifteen minute halves. Opens the games up for more upsets !
 

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Due to the prestige the premiership will always have over it, and the recovery time needed after a game, and the amount of long term injuries suffered during a season, the biggest hurdle will be getting clubs to play their stars in the tournament for fear of it reducing the chances at winning the premiership. ie. State of Origin, US Olympic basketball team, World Cup qualifiers etc
 
Would some form of draft bonus be a good reward for this new cup? Would that be high profile enough for people to get interested? I'm not thinking something as big as a priority pick but perhaps a 3-4 spot upgrade of their first round pick or if they finish so low on the premiership ladder that they have pick 1-4 already an upgrade of their second round pick instead?

I could see clubs that get off to a bad start or who have a heap of injuries early changing their focus towards this new reward. Or would it be a matter of the best team always taking this one out too and therefore just reaffirming their dominance by getting an extra pick or an upgraded pick every year?

Would it mean that teams would still tank the premiership season shifting their focus to the other cup... the teams still going for the premiership may find it hard to keep winning these other cup games when there is other teams who are focusing only on the new cup.
 
Isnt the easiest way to do this is to follow the NBA and have 2 conferences.

Then you have at least 2 conference champions.

OR better still get rid of 2 vic teams and then we still have 1/16th shot of flag??? :D
 
I would rather leave it how it is, but if we had to do something...

An idea I wouldn't mind would be to have a Champions League type reward.
Teams who make the 8 from the previous year play each other during the time the usual pre-season cup is, for a cash price and cup in a knockout format. 3 week tournament.
Whilst the other teams play each other in practice matches. Losers obviously go into the practice match field.
Would hopefully reduce the tanking, and will make the preseason interesting as the good teams will be playing each other.

ie. 2009 AFL Contenders Cup (2008 Finalists, based on post final rankings)
Hawthorn vs. Kangaroos
Geelong vs. Adelaide
Western Bulldogs vs. Collingwood
St Kilda vs. Sydney

Haw/Kan vs Stk/Syd
Geel/Adel vs WB/Coll

Winners meet in final.

The success of the comp will be the fact that it is exclusive.
Just an idea, but I am happy with how it is now.
 
The English FA still holds the Barclays Premiership as the pinnacle, but rewards its clubs in other ways with the FA Cup, the Carling (League) Cup, as well as other carrots like Champions League qualification, Europa League qualification, and just the mere avoidance of relegation each season. For us in the AFL, it’s a bit of a case of Premiership, or nothing.

English soccer can justify having multiple domestic titles because they have 100 (give or take) professional clubs. Italy has at least 40 professional clubs. And it's obvious why the whole of Europe has transnational competitions.

Does the Ashes lose any significance or merit due to the existence of the World Cup? Does the Superbowl mean less to a team because it has won the AFC or NFC title? Does an Italian Cup triumph detract from Series A success? In all of these cases, the answer is an emphatic 'no'.

The difference between the Ashes and the World Cup is the World Cup has other teams in it. The AFC and NFC were historically separate leagues, thus there is a historical as to why those titles exist.

Australian rules football only has 16 (soon to be 18) professional clubs in the entire world. At the professional level there isn't a reasonable base for any additional, meaningful silverware.
 
well, to get the ball rolling in a better direction, maybe more significance on final positions.
Yes, minor premiers should be awarded more, maybe the club president presented with a trophy early in the GF pre-game.

Also, in the GF pre-game, like the champions in the cars, etc, each club should come out one by one from 16th to 3rd, showing the nation each clubs final standing.
Sure, it would suck to be on international TV in the spoon car, and the prelim losers might also find it hard.
Maybe just a car driven in each teams colours, with a brief description of their season. I believe this might slightly reduce the wish for tanking...maybe :rolleyes:

maybe an every 4 year event could work, with MASSIVE rewards, like $1 million for winning. 4 groups of 4 in round-robin, 2 best from each go through to quarters. Basically a half-world cup, played over 6 weeks.
Dont know how it would fit into the year though.

But for the record, its great the way it is.
 

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