Prediction Does Voss get the sack if Carlton miss finals in 2023?

[Blue1980]

I agree 100% with the regression and yes it's not a bottom 4 list. But I think the over reaction from the start of last season and the pump up from the media the blues got before this season hasn't helped one little bit.

I think Voss can turn it around. Maybe some of those senior players need to be moved on.

It should probably also be noted that the competition is quite even and it only takes a few things to go wrong or right to change you from 5th to 15th one year to the next.

That I guess is an argument pro vossy, that sometimes for a variety of reasons, a side just goes through a rut, and when they essentially aren’t too much better or worse than 10 other sides, it can snowball pretty quick.

 

[Robertio]

Ha, cheers mate. What can you do it is what it is, ya gotta laugh or else you'd cry.

Definitely no interest in the ra ra my club has won more flags type stuff, shits me to tears.

Don't get too friendly with them mate.

 

[tiger_tough]

I think their list is fine, one of the better ones actually. The problem is that a lot of their good players are under performing and not many of the younger guys haven't improved much if at all.

I'd be backing him in next year.

 

[banzai]

I think their list is fine, one of the better ones actually. The problem is that a lot of their good players are under performing and not many of the younger guys haven't improved much if at all.

I'd be backing him in next year.

If they keep the coach, maybe they need to trade one of their best players to shake things up. People always reference Richmond keeping Hardwick in these examples but we did trade Deledio who was probably our best player and for the previous years and one of our leaders. Now he wanted to leave, but you can't just keep everything the same and expect it to change.

 

[Danw0w]

I think their list is fine, one of the better ones actually. The problem is that a lot of their good players are under performing and not many of the younger guys haven't improved much if at all.

I'd be backing him in next year.

It's always next year with Carlton though.

 

[tiger_tough]

If they keep the coach, maybe they need to trade one of their best players to shake things up. People always reference Richmond keeping Hardwick in these examples but we did trade Deledio who was probably our best player for the previous years.

I'm not so sure. They probably have a better core than we did before we traded in Nankervis, Caddy and Prestia.

Mcgovern will probably leave. They'll lose De Koning who will probably get them a similar return to Deledio.

 

[banzai]

I'm not so sure. They probably have a better core than we did before we traded in Nankervis, Caddy and Prestia.

Mcgovern will probably leave. They'll lose De Koning who will probably get them a similar return to Deledio.

De Koning and McGovern leaving won't change the culture.

 

[tiger_tough]

De Koning and McGovern leaving won't change the culture.

Trading out Deledio didn't change our culture. Dimma re-inventing himself as well as the HHH sessions that created greater connections between players and coaches plus mindfulness training changed the culture.

 

[bourbons]

HHH sessions that created greater connections between players and coaches

What are they mate?

 

[Danw0w]

What are they mate?

Dimma getting his ass beat in connect 4

 

[tiger_tough]

What are they mate?

Three words powering Richmond

Three simple words have forged unbreakable bonds at Richmond

www.richmondfc.com.au

Was part of the 2017 preseason camp and largely credited to the shifting of culture at the club. Brendon Ellis' story being the most famous -

"This is who I am"

Inside the secret team-building sessions at the Richmond Football Club.

www.smh.com.au

 

[bourbons]

Three words powering Richmond

Three simple words have forged unbreakable bonds at Richmond

www.richmondfc.com.au

Was part of the 2017 preseason camp and largely credited to the shifting of culture at the club. Brendon Ellis' story being the most famous -

"This is who I am"

Inside the secret team-building sessions at the Richmond Football Club.

www.smh.com.au

Cheers wasn't aware of that just read the whole Ellis story, great stuff

 

[tiger_tough]

Cheers wasn't aware of that just read the whole Ellis story, great stuff

Yeah, you'd struggle to find one Richmond fan that was dirty on Ellis leaving for GC with the deal they offered him.

 

[Danw0w]

Yeah, you'd struggle to find one Richmond fan that was dirty on Ellis leaving for GC with the deal they offered him.

**** he would have been handy last year though

 

[Milux]

Massive respect mate. Every campaigner is just piling into your club here and your replying rationally and calmly. Most would of cracked the shits and started picking faults in the posters club by now. Kudos

I do admit my posts probably come as a pile on. But there is a few reasonable blues fans getting about.

My frustration towards Carlton is that I feel their list isn't as good as what's talked up in the media. They received a massive pump up pre season like they were flag favs. That helps no one. Especially when the chips are down. They certainly have players that can turn the tide if their form corrects.

 

[Pistol Night]

I do admit my posts probably come as a pile on. But there is a few reasonable blues fans getting about.

My frustration towards Carlton is that I feel their list isn't as good as what's talked up in the media. They received a massive pump up pre season like they were flag favs. That helps no one. Especially when the chips are down. They certainly have players that can turn the tide if their form corrects.

Nah all good mate i wasn't aiming at anyone. Just showing respect for a bloke replying to opposition posters in a measured way which is rare on here.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Carlton go up to Sydney a couple of weeks ago and get done.

Saints go up tonight and get the choccies.

Voss over Boss will haunt them for years to come.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Carlton on the slide? Sliding from where?

My point is, Voss possibly overachieved last year with Carlton's list, and yes they're in a rut right now, and everyone is calling for his head as yet another quick fix?

A slide is a slide, in this case heading for the bottom 4 this year and possibly next under Voss. Problem for Voss is he was brought in as the coach 'without training wheels', finals here we come mentality. All and sundry associated with the club had high hopes, further inflated by last year's first half of the season. Injuries, lack of defensive structures and composure saw them miss last year. Most commentators had Carlton making the 8 this year (kudos to Buckley who was doubtful).

There's a fitter list this year however results and performances have been 'somewhat lacklustre'. He may avoid the sack this year if there are better performances and a few wins between now and September. Form can turn around quickly and while one lives in hope, it's hard to see too many more wins for the year.

You're surprised people are holding him responsible for the team's results?
You don't know Carlton.

 

[Fadge]

You're surprised people are holding him responsible for the team's results?
You don't know Carlton.

No, I'm not surprised.

But it doesn't mean they're right in doing so...

 

[DragoDelph]

So given the season has largely got away from them, surely now is when you make a stand.

Results largely meaningless, play the players who will put in. Drop the campaigners, regardless of who they are.

 

[Warhorse]

I think Carlton have a few senior players that are absolute selfish campaigners. They have a few cancerous types in the playing group that need to be removed even if they among their better players.

 

[bourbons]

So given the season has largely got away from them, surely now is when you make a stand.

Results largely meaningless, play the players who will put in. Drop the campaigners, regardless of who they are.

Would be nice, can't see it happening though (if McGovern didn't get dropped after the Collingwood game I don't see why he ever would be )

Which is another culture issue in itself imo. Compare it to Port's approach the other week in leaving their captain in the 2s, chalk and cheese.

 

[Robertio]

So given the season has largely got away from them, surely now is when you make a stand.

Results largely meaningless, play the players who will put in. Drop the campaigners, regardless of who they are.

You're not just a pretty face old mate.

 

[Mr.X]

likely Voss will be gone on Tuesday if Blues lose badly to the Dons

 

[Toump Ass]

likely Voss will be gone on Tuesday if Blues lose badly to the Dons

... why?
The Dons are fighting for a Top 4 spot, it's expected they'll smash bottom sides.