The Law Domestic violence, the memorial thread.

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Your rant, most of which can be ignored and provides a rather disturbing insight into your thought processes, fails to provide a reason why men kill their kids.
Why do men kill their kids when things don't work out for them?
Why are they punishing the kids?

What sort of a f'king hero kills their kids just because they don't get their way?
It doesn't matter how hard it is, how many things you think are against you, there is absolutely no reason EVER to kill your own children. NONE. NEVER.

The only reason they kill their kids is because they want to get back at their partners.
Everything else is just a BS excuse.

In a nutshell, that's the kind of mindset most of these DV heros have. It's all about me. What I want is the only thing that matters.
I'm not arguing that Domestic Violence isn't heavily slanted towards males being perpetrator, but you should check the stats that Malifice shared early on in the thread about the filicide being gender neutral:
Filicide is actually oddly gender neutral form of murder with roughly a 50/50 split in offending between the genders.

That said, the majority of family homicides occur between intimate partners (60 per cent, with Filicide making up the next highest percentage at 16 percent), and three-quarters of intimate partner homicides involve males killing their female partners, often after she's had to endure a long period of control and violence.

Family homicide in Australia (aic.gov.au)
 

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I'm not arguing that Domestic Violence isn't heavily slanted towards males being perpetrator, but you should check the stats that Malifice shared early on in the thread about the filicide being gender neutral:
The discussion was specifically about men killing their kids.
Men killing their kids has been justified with all kinds of BS, including women do it too, like that makes it OK.

I have not read one post in this thread attempting to excuse women who kill their kids.
The only people excusing the killing of kids are the ones trying to paint men as being the real victims.
 

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The discussion was specifically about men killing their kids.
Men killing their kids has been justified with all kinds of BS, including women do it too, like that makes it OK.

I have not read one post in this thread attempting to excuse women who kill their kids.
The only people excusing the killing of kids are the ones trying to paint men as being the real victims.
The point is that if we're talking about killing children, we shouldn't just talk about why men kill children, but why anyone kills children. It's a horrific crime and I'm not ashamed to admit that I cried when reading the article about the baby girl that was murdered by her father jumping off the whispering wall. It's simply unfathomable to me.

However, when we talk about domestic and family violence more generally, I definitely agree that we can talk mostly about men as the overwhelming majority of perpetrators are men.
 

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The point is that if we're talking about killing children, we shouldn't just talk about why men kill children, but why anyone kills children. It's a horrific crime and I'm not ashamed to admit that I cried when reading the article about the baby girl that was murdered by her father jumping off the whispering wall. It's simply unfathomable to me.

However, when we talk about domestic and family violence more generally, I definitely agree that we can talk mostly about men as the overwhelming majority of perpetrators are men.
There is a big difference between discussing all the issues on the one hand, and on the other hand, using one issue as a means of justifying another issue.
 

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There is a big difference between discussing all the issues on the one hand, and on the other hand, using one issue as a means of justifying another issue.
I agree with you there. Either way, this thread was started in poor taste and very quickly turned into a dumpster fire, so I think I'll just check back out now.
 

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The discussion was specifically about men killing their kids.
That is misrepresentation at best.
The rest of your post I agree with totally.
This thread was started specifically about "Domestic Violence".
To highlight two unforgivable atrocities against two humans.
One undeniably innocent in every sense no matter what weird drum you want to beat.


Quite few idiots made it into a "she killed, he killed" pissing contest.

Absolutely nothing, period, makes it OK, justifies, ameliorates or minimises the horror of the two crimes highlighted in the OP.
 

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That is misrepresentation at best.
The rest of your post I agree with totally.
This thread was started specifically about "Domestic Violence".
To highlight two unforgivable atrocities against two humans.
One undeniably innocent in every sense no matter what weird drum you want to beat.


Quite few idiots made it into a "she killed, he killed" pissing contest.

Absolutely nothing, period, makes it OK, justifies, ameliorates or minimises the horror of the two crimes highlighted in the OP.
A part of the discussion, specifically between Ned and somebody else, was about men killing kids....which kicked off the she killed, he killed pissing contest.
 

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Doubt there will be any nationwide memorial services and protests.
She had limited contact with her son. It’s a motivational factor behind many DV killings. Gender only comes into it because it is men who mostly receive limited contact with their children. Our broken family law system is partly to blame for much of this mess, and that starts at the top - politicians and their inability to fix this mess. Until then, sadly, it will never stop.


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Doubt there will be any nationwide memorial services and protests.
You know ignoring the repeated male on female DV and only coming in here to post about the rare times a woman does it to a bloke makes you look like a sh*t bloke right?

She had limited contact with her son. It’s a motivational factor behind many DV killings. Gender only comes into it because it is men who mostly receive limited contact with their children.
The only men that get limited contact with their kids after separation are the sh*t blokes (meth, DV, controlling knobs etc).

The law requires the Family court to start at a position of equal and shared parental responsibility and 50/50 time between mum and dad, and its only when one of the parents is a sh*t parent does this change.

Sound familiar for any reason?

Generally speaking, mothers get more time and contact because generally speaking its the women who tend to stay home and raise and care for the kids while dad works, and when the parties separate, shes got them more or less full time while Dad moves out to a bachelor pad.

Our broken family law system
There are things I would change about the Family Court (namely time and expense factors) but allowing sh*t parents more access to their kids, is not one of them.
 

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In the same days newspaper:

Detectives have found what appear to be human remains as part of their investigation into the disappearance of Melbourne woman Ju "Kelly" Zhang.

A 35-year-old Doncaster man was charged with one count of murder later in February.
Police find apparent human remains in search for missing Melbourne woman Ju 'Kelly' Zhang - ABC News

The articles also reported allegations Mr Roberts-Smith bullied SAS colleagues and committed an act of domestic violence against a woman in a Canberra hotel room in 2018.
Ben Roberts-Smith admits 'mistake' in giving evidence about death of Afghan man with prosthetic leg - ABC News

A North Queensland man who stood on his former partner's neck in steelcapped boots and attempted to suffocate her has been sentenced to six years behind bars.
Shannon Leslie Capner jailed for 'appalling' acts of domestic violence over eight-year period - ABC News

But hey; lets focus on the male victims. Women are three times more likely to suffer violence at the hands of men. Approximately one in four women experienced violence by an intimate partner, compared to one in thirteen men.

From 1980 to 2008, nearly 1 out of 5 murder victims were killed by an intimate partner. In fact, available research shows that women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner (husband, boyfriend, same-sex partner, or ex) than by anyone else.

Approximately 2 out of 5 female murder victims are killed by an intimate partner. Men can also be victims of intimate partner homicide. In recent years, about 4.9% of male murder victims were killed by an intimate partner
https://vawnet.org/sc/scope-problem-intimate-partner-homicide-statistics

5 percent of male homicides are by their partner. 20 percent of all female homicides are by their partner.

Men are three times more violent towards women, and four times more likely to kill their partner than women are on men.

I'm not diminishing the violence on men by women, but in context we're hardly talking about the same thing.
 

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