EPL Matchday 24

Bradesmaen

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His quality and skill at taking a corner is why he takes them over Mane, Salah, etc.

Ffs man..
But it has zero relationship to his position. So saying "zomg a defender has so many assists!!!!" is irrelevant. Especially when he is below average as a defender
 

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But it has zero relationship to his position. So saying "zomg a defender has so many assists!!!!" is irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant at all. Are you capable of critical thinking in the slightest?

He's a full back who is whipping in deadly free kicks and corners that players are benefitting from. How many corners has Robertson taken for example?
 

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Bradesmaen

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It's not irrelevant at all. Are you capable of critical thinking in the slightest?

He's a full back who is whipping in deadly free kicks and corners that players are benefitting from. How many corners has Robertson taken for example?
How is that skill relevant to his position? Remember the Paraguay goalkeeper? Just because he could take penalties it didn't mean he was any better a goalie
 

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How is that skill relevant to his position? Remember the Paraguay goalkeeper? Just because he could take penalties it didn't mean he was any better a goalie
You are comparing taking pens, to whipping a ball into the box filled with players and picking out the right player? (Something a lot of the league seems to struggle to do).
 

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So if he had 50 assists, he'd still not make a TOTS?
I never said that. You assume that for no reason. I'm not belittling his dead ball skill, I'm simply stating it has no relevance to his position. I've seen strikers take corners... Because they have that skill relevance is none.
 

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I never said that. You assume that for no reason. I'm not belittling his dead ball skill, I'm simply stating it has no relevance to his position. I've seen strikers take corners... Because they have that skill relevance is none.
News to me.

Regardless the discussion began because you were desperately looking for a reason to give KdB the player of the season award because of his number of assists. I didn't realise the award was given to the player with the most assists?

If anything I would give it to Mane because of the number of critical goals he has scored, which clearly makes him one of if not the most valuable player.
 

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You are comparing taking pens, to whipping a ball into the box filled with players and picking out the right player? (Something a lot of the league seems to struggle to do).
It's a skill that is irrelevant to the position. I don't know how much more obvious I can make that. Fine it's like Dustin Fletcher doing a barrel from fifty out.. irrelevant to him being a defender
 

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It's a skill that is irrelevant to the position. I don't know how much more obvious I can make that. Fine it's like Dustin Fletcher doing a barrel from fifty out.. irrelevant to him being a defender
No but it enhances his reputation as it isn't a skill common to defenders which suggests that not only training to be a competent defender (arguably a bit more than merely competent) he has ALSO developed his expertise with a dead ball. He has more strings to his bow than most players. How would KdB go playing at full back? Do you reckon he'd be as good there as TAA is further up the field?
 

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News to me.

Regardless the discussion began because you were desperately looking for a reason to give KdB the player of the season award because of his number of assists. I didn't realise the award was given to the player with the most assists?

If anything I would give it to Mane because of the number of critical goals he has scored, which clearly makes him one of if not the most valuable player.
 

Bradesmaen

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No but it enhances his reputation as it isn't a skill common to defenders which suggests that not only training to be a competent defender (arguably a bit more than merely competent) he has ALSO developed his expertise with a dead ball. He has more strings to his bow than most players. How would KdB go playing at full back? Do you reckon he'd be as good there as TAA is further up the field?
He'd be as accomplished at fullback as TAA.
 

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Bradesmaen

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And you know that based on what? Supposition?

See the thing is there's actually evidence that TAA is a good dead ball specialist, etc. not so much for KdB..
Based on watching the game. He'd be bottom five in the league for defensive ability at full back.
 

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It's not irrelevant at all. Are you capable of critical thinking in the slightest?

He's a full back who is whipping in deadly free kicks and corners that players are benefitting from. How many corners has Robertson taken for example?
I’d love to know Brades assessment of Beckham 🤔
 

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I'm not discounting him. I'm saying that it is hard to compare him to other defenders when a lot don't even take corners.
The point is though that sure a lot of other defenders don't take corners. But you're punishing TAA for having world class delivery and always being over dead balls instead of you know... giving him credit.
 

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Based on watching the game. He'd be bottom five in the league for defensive ability at full back.
Rubbish we cant have what you are describing as a definsive liability in the back four and still have the best defense in the league and have kept the most clean sheets etc.
 

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Rubbish we cant have what you are describing as a definsive liability in the back four and still have the best defense in the league and have kept the most clean sheets etc.
Especially when you have the over rated Van Dijk also part of that back 4 :think:
 

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Especially when you have the over rated Van Dijk also part of that back 4 :think:
Henderson average. Van Dijk overrated. Alexander-Arnold can't defend. Robertson not even the best Scottish LB.

Just imagine how many more games we would win by upgrading all of these plodders.
 

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It's more you spouting the same things every day.
Since when have I spouted that KdB should be POTY? I'm not disagreeing that Liverpool have some wonderful players, but I was disagreeing on trying to claim that TAAs assist as corners are relevant to his position. His crossing assists yes, passing, goals etc. But corners no.
 

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Since when have I spouted that KdB should be POTY? I'm not disagreeing that Liverpool have some wonderful players, but I was disagreeing on trying to claim that TAAs assist as corners are relevant to his position. His crossing assists yes, passing, goals etc. But corners no.
It is silly to say that his corners are not relevant. The most important goal - 4th against Barca - is arguably the most important goal Liverpool have scored In the last few years and it was a corner kick.

It doesn’t make sense to dismiss corner kicks 🤷‍♂️
 

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