Volume 10 of said threadJust had a quick scan through the Port Adelaide board sack Hinkley thread, gee there is some vitriol on there.
Hopefully we don't get that far down in the gutter re Chris Fagan.
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Volume 10 of said threadJust had a quick scan through the Port Adelaide board sack Hinkley thread, gee there is some vitriol on there.
Hopefully we don't get that far down in the gutter re Chris Fagan.
Fagan is not inside their heads.I quite like Kane to be honest but he's had a bit of a swing and a miss here. Basic synopsis of the conversation (which started on the weekend on SEN)
Kane: Their effort was no good
Caro: Why was it no good?
Kane: That's what we want to hear from Fagan but he's got no idea
Caro: So if you think it's so obvious, you tell us what you think happened
Kane: Caro it's so obvious: their effort was no good.
OR he offers something more concrete about a5 day break after playing in the slop, and he gets criticised for making excuses. Can't win either way.Fagan is not inside their heads.
And, damn sure he didn’t ask them to drop off in intensity and effort, so what is he supposed to say, other than they mentally checked out of the game when things got hard.
Agree. They aren’t taking their chances when given but also has to be raised the delivery inside 50 has been pathetic all year. Now it may be that they aren’t working into space or providing appropriate options when we look to go inside 50 or we are just that bad at kicking inside 50. Prob both.Bottom line our forward line is one of the most inefficient in the league - we get lots of entries but our scoring frequency versus those entries is close to the worst in the league and the exits out from F50 entries is equally high.
Our forward line is not functioning. Point the finger at the lot of them - no pressure
Is matthews an expert? He’s past his time in the game. Still has involvement in the media and gets to the Lions training every now and then but when it comes to talking about the game I think he’s on par with recently retired footballers in terms of analysis and insights. Arguably recently retired footballers would understand the modern game better than he does.Heard a clip of Leigh Matthews talking about the criticism of Chris Fagan.
1- The criticism of his presser was ridiculous, what do they expect him to say.
2- Coaches have little affect during a game, he laughed when talking about pundits who say a particular coach was out coached on the day.
3- The best players win matches not the best coaches, would you rather the best coach or the best players.
Agree. And a little thing called salary cap. The best players are the best players cus they are held up by lesser players doing the small things that aren’t acknowledged enough. They play footy the way they want and often don’t do the smaller things like defend… A champion system will beat a team of champions.I'd rather the best coach to be honest. We've seen the best coaches do wonders with a group of "good enough" players, but teams with plenty of stars stumble time and time again.
Is matthews an expert? He’s past his time in the game. Still has involvement in the media and gets to the Lions training every now and then but when it comes to talking about the game I think he’s on par with recently retired footballers in terms of analysis and insights. Arguably recently retired footballers would understand the modern game better than he does.
To me it's blindingly obvious why Gardiner is played in our forward line. That's because none of the other buggers will tackle. Like none!!!!One less free in last year's gf, or Charlie getting a goal instead of a behind and the fagan bashers would be lauding his capability.
He's EXACTLY THE SAME PERSON.
Yes we have problems. Yes some of his choices haven't worked out (love dizzy but he is not a forward), but the fagan write off is insane.
To me it's blindingly obvious why Gardiner is played in our forward line. That's because none of the other buggers will tackle. Like none!!!!
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Probably not possible due to Fages age, he'd have to be here for the next 5+ years to reach Hinkley levels of disdain.Just had a quick scan through the Port Adelaide board sack Hinkley thread, gee there is some vitriol on there.
Hopefully we don't get that far down in the gutter re Chris Fagan.
I agree but also, have you read that thread? There personal insults about his appearance, him being a ‘coward’ and all sorts of over the top nonsense in there. Watching football should never get to that levelProbably not possible due to Fages age, he'd have to be here for the next 5+ years to reach Hinkley levels of disdain.
FWIW, I think Port fans have every right to feel aggrieved with their club. The coach is not delivering and it's been 11 years with him. 11 years of failure being a constant would infuriate most fans.
Old man Sheedy is the same yet most question what he has to say a lot of the time. Doesn’t mean what they say is relevant.He's a board member and mentor of our current coach. Has also actually coached at AFL level
I'd take that over a high school footy coach any day of the week
Old man Sheedy is the same yet most question what he has to say a lot of the time. Doesn’t mean what they say is relevant.
I do agree that some go over the top and I'm not advocating that those people are right. I'm purely speaking from a football sense.I agree but also, have you read that thread? There personal insults about his appearance, him being a ‘coward’ and all sorts of over the top nonsense in there. Watching football should never get to that level
+ One of the greatest players of all time, poor old Lethal might still know a thing or 2 about footy, very pragmatic guy too which is a great trait to have as a pundit.He's a board member and mentor of our current coach. Has also actually coached at AFL level
I'd take that over a high school footy coach any day of the week
titles don’t mean shit.So, what’s your point?
titles don’t mean s**t.
And the way some people hold up others as a “real” footy expert cus they coached 20 years ago is bordering on blind faith. yet others who don’t have the same titles should be taken with caution (or ignored). I just mentioned Sheedy - who is arguably more of an expert according to the metrics raised on this board than Matthews - just to raise a point that all the titles and labels you threw on Matthews as a “reasonable” voice to adhere to also applies to Sheedy who many say is off his rocker most of the time.
I just see it as a case of picking and choosing whatever suites one’s narrative. This applies to everything. Fair enough we all aren’t immune to seeking affirmations and biased bit and bobs of info to support one’s own thinking.
I can’t help you there son.Titles or experience?
Also, confused by the Sheedy references
I can’t help you there son.
To me it's blindingly obvious why Gardiner is played in our forward line. That's because none of the other buggers will tackle. Like none!!!!
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Old man Sheedy is the same yet most question what he has to say a lot of the time. Doesn’t mean what they say is relevant.
I wouldn't be overly flattered if I was either of them thenComparing Sheedy to Matthews is like comparing Trump and Biden.
They are both old but one is a rambling, fact less, vitriolic, inciting, gormless circus clown and the other is Joe Biden.