Fan threatened with eviction from MCG for barracking too loud

[These 4 Walls]

Oh, I understand perfectly. There's a new social order and it's vomiting over all aspects of our existence.

I think the administration is doing a poor job for all sorts of reasons. This is merely the tipping point.

The only thing the AFL understands is money. So I'm going to speak their language.

Apologies if I have missed it earlier in the thread, though what do you specifically think you cannot do at the footy that you could do last year? Call Bullshit at an umpires call?

There are avg 65k at Richmond matches, and average 40 frees per game - lets say the frees are even and the crowd is split (yes, it is more likely not even in terms of frees against for us)

Then lets say that 5% of people scream and swear at a decision against their team.

65,000 x 0.05 = 3,250
3,250 x 40 times per game = 130,000 times people are screaming out swearing in a game.

Now we don't know the actual numbers, but I highly doubt there are more than 1,300 warnings handed out per game and would be surprised at 130 evictions per game.

If that is correct you have less than 1% chance of being warned for your behavior any time you scream and less than 0.01% chance of being evicted because of it.

Are those numbers really worth missing out on the buzz of the crowd when Dusty closes in on 50?

 

[mcgarnacle]

It's not really affecting us up here in Sydney. Is it really that bad, or just a few hysterics.

TBH, i prefer to sit among my own supporters. Melbourne games can be the pits it has to be said if there are a bunch of obnoxious opposition supporters in the vicinity, but hey, I just up and move next to like-minded folk from the South Melbourne chapter of the Bloods.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Apologies if I have missed it earlier in the thread, though what do you specifically think you cannot do at the footy that you could do last year? Call ******** at an umpires call?

Exhibit A: Hawthorn cheer squad member stands up and animatedly tugs at his jumper, appealing for "holding the man". Censured by security.

You aren't going to eliminate swearing at the footy. To even try is folly.

The AFL have taken a terrible misstep. Gil needs to confess to a mistake today in order to retain whatever credibility he has left.

 

[These 4 Walls]

Exhibit A: Hawthorn cheer squad member stands up and animatedly tugs at his jumper, appealing for "holding the man". Censured by security.

You aren't going to eliminate swearing at the footy. To even try is folly.

The AFL have taken a terrible misstep. Gil needs to confess to a mistake today in order to retain whatever credibility he has left.

And then didn't the AFL come out and aplogise to the fans on the back of that one? So that is something that was considered an incorrect warning? It does feel that the more people react to the fine line of what is right and wrong, the more the AFL has to make a decision and that is the last thing the fans should want them doing.

 

[Ron The Bear]

And then didn't the AFL come out and aplogise to the fans on the back of that one? So that is something that was considered an incorrect warning? It does feel that the more people react to the fine line of what is right and wrong, the more the AFL has to make a decision and that is the last thing the fans should want them doing.

Did they? I didn't hear an apology, and I've been following closely.

The line has been understood by footy crowds for ever and a day. The problem comes with people attempting to move the line.

 

[skipper kelly]

A former premier of Victoria and current president of an AFL club would be one of the most qualified people to comment on this issue. He missed the boat by referencing the colour of their skin rather than the colour of their uniform. Experienced police are the best people qualified to handle a large amount of people in a crowded and emotional environment with the presence of alcohol and tribalism. JK should have went down the path of why private security are employed rather than police. He could have enlightened people on how much the State funded Police Department charge for their services and compared this to the cost of private security. He could have questioned why the AFL wont fork out for the best trained people and why the State charges so much.

An opportunity missed by JK.

 

[nineteen eighty]

If you're going to stop spending your money on all that despite never going to be in a situation where you're going to kicked out, then that's up to you. If you want to limit your enjoyment of the game for absolutely no reason that affects you then go for it. You're only.limiting your own quality of life. Like I said, you're not getting kicked out mate, it's not as big an issue as you think. If you want to be excessively abusive or start a punch on then that's a different story. Stay home for everyone else's sake of that's the case.

Worth a repost.

 

[Bombermania]

A former premier of Victoria and current president of an AFL club would be one of the most qualified people to comment on this issue. He missed the boat by referencing the colour of their skin rather than the colour of their uniform. Experienced police are the best people qualified to handle a large amount of people in a crowded and emotional environment with the presence of alcohol and tribalism. JK should have went down the path of why private security are employed rather than police. He could have enlightened people on how much the State funded Police Department charge for their services and compared this to the cost of private security. He could have questioned why the AFL wont fork out for the best trained people and why the State charges so much.

An opportunity missed by JK.

Jeff's view would be that a private security company was better value than the police and there are police in the stadium for more serious matters. Jeff's comments about the background was more to do with do they understand the game, that is only a question the security guys can answer.

 

[nineteen eighty]

I love the footy and have been to about 900 VFL/AFL games without issue, but if I'm going to be kicked out or scolded for yelling BULL****! at a hundred decibels, I'll please myself and opt out.

People like you think the great unwashed are imbeciles.

You’re that bloke I called security on

 

[JackOutback]

Oh, I understand perfectly. There's a new social order and it's vomiting over all aspects of our existence.

I think the administration is doing a poor job for all sorts of reasons. This is merely the tipping point.

The only thing the AFL understands is money. So I'm going to speak their language.

Without knowing precisely the danger, would you say it’s time for our viewers to crack each others’ heads open and feast on the goo inside?

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I love the footy and have been to about 900 VFL/AFL games without issue, but if I'm going to be kicked out or scolded for yelling BULL****! at a hundred decibels, I'll please myself and opt out.

People like you think the great unwashed are imbeciles.

If both parties (you and us) agree that the footy would be better off without you this seems like an easy one to resolve.

 

[Bombermania]

There has always been acceptable standards of behavior, there is nothing new about it.

 

[romeohwho]

A former premier of Victoria and current president of an AFL club would be one of the most qualified people to comment on this issue. He missed the boat by referencing the colour of their skin rather than the colour of their uniform. Experienced police are the best people qualified to handle a large amount of people in a crowded and emotional environment with the presence of alcohol and tribalism. JK should have went down the path of why private security are employed rather than police. He could have enlightened people on how much the State funded Police Department charge for their services and compared this to the cost of private security. He could have questioned why the AFL wont fork out for the best trained people and why the State charges so much.

An opportunity missed by JK.

Agree it’s an opportunity missed. His comment re being ’scared’ to barrack strikes me as quite unlikely. Firstly where does Jeff sit at the footy?- very doubtful it’s where the security guards are wandering around. People from the media and more ‘privileged’ positions like the Chris judd’s and Jeff’s probably have no idea what it’s like sitting in most parts of the ground. Secondly, Jeff Kennett ain’t scared of anything so that means he has just hyped up the hysteria instead of trying to calm things down, which let’s face it, is needed. Judd referring to people who take issue with offensive comments as ‘snowflakes’ is also unhelpful.

 

[Ron The Bear]

You’re that bloke I called security on

Then you cried when your phone was stolen by a you-know-what gang on the way home.

 

[skipper kelly]

Jeff's view would be that a private security company was better value than the police and there are police in the stadium for more serious matters.

That's where the discussion should start. Compromise in cost between the Government and the AFL, considering the importance of football to the overall scheme of Victoria. Does the general public even know that the Police charge the AFL for their attendance at the games?

Jeff's comments about the background was more to do with do they understand the game, that is only a question the security guys can answer.

That's part of the nuance of what the discussion should be. Experienced Police in Victoria are best placed to understand the game, the crowd behaviour and the law. And are best placed to understand and apply the discretion required.

 

[Godfather32]

Then it would've been an unfortunate mistake. Happens all the time in life. You learnt and move on.

It's not an unfortunate mistake, it's a lack of training and accountability on behalf of the company paid to provide security at the ground and the stadium management.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If both parties (you and us) agree that the footy would be better off without you this seems like an easy one to resolve.

That seems to be the arrangement the AFL is seeking.

 

[Godfather32]

Exactly. Social media giving a platform for everyone to rant is what has created the issue and what makes something so irrelevant become a distasteful mess. There is literally no point for this whole thread.

What social media has done is give a voice to the far left and far right of society who seem to want to impose their views of said society on everyone else. The majority of us who fall somewhere in the middle are sick of getting preached to and just want to get on with our lives in peace.

 

[Asapartyhat]

It's not an unfortunate mistake, it's a lack of training and accountability on behalf of the company paid to provide security at the ground and the stadium management.

I would guess and say the company with the contract gets paid by the AFL to provide security and the security they provide are on minimum wage and the company profits.Just an assumption would like to know he truth of it though.

 

[skipper kelly]

Agree it’s an opportunity missed. His comment re being ’scared’ to barrack strikes me as quite unlikely. Firstly where does Jeff sit at the footy?- very doubtful it’s where the security guards are wandering around. People from the media and more ‘privileged’ positions like the Chris judd’s and Jeff’s probably have no idea what it’s like sitting in most parts of the ground. Secondly, Jeff Kennett ain’t scared of anything so that means he has just hyped up the hysteria instead of trying to calm things down, which let’s face it, is needed. Judd referring to people who take issue with offensive comments as ‘snowflakes’ is also unhelpful.

I have no doubt that the increased security presence does impact on some peoples enjoyment of the game, whether they are the one's displaying the boorish behaviour or those that just support their teams.

There are a group of workers who are best trained to understand the nuances of crowd behaviour at the football and what is currently acceptable behaviour in society. The question should be why are these people not being employed to attend what is probably Melbournes biggest customs. The rest is noise IMO.

 

[blackcat]

#sackgillon.

that vision is deadset appalling.

redact this idiom from your vocabulary. It is a RL idiom from Sterling&Baiting north of the Murray, by far the worst term to enter Macquarie lexicon.
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[rocker_oz33]

Wow what the hell is this from the guard.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Wow what the hell is this from the guard.

Just an easy way to get himself fired.

 

[blackcat]

I have no doubt that the increased security presence does impact on some peoples enjoyment of the game, whether they are the one's displaying the boorish behaviour or those that just support their teams.

There are a group of workers who are best trained to understand the nuances of crowd behaviour at the football and what is currently acceptable behaviour in society. The question should be why are these people not being employed to attend what is probably Melbournes biggest customs. The rest is noise IMO.

they who entered the HoF recently as HallofFame'r[sic], Ron Evans of Spotless / AFL committee(board) / Essendon Pres. / Essendon champion player / pêre of David Evans the Essendon Press shepherding Danks[sic] and Charters[sic] thru the d'affaire* supps and district cricketer for St Kilda, well Ron Evans fails to make a buck at Spotless innit skipper kelly if they do not get a good quote for their main expense: BillKeltyHawkeminimumwage_accords

They pay security with rudimentary experience, qualifications, cultural touchstone(THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE) and greymatter intelligence, one person here replied foreignworkervisa, is system liable to be rorted for points accrued to in-demand occupations? Well if so, the economic solution to problem in market equilibrium theory says pay a market(the good is labour supply in this case) pay a market clearing price. But Spotless and Ron Evans don't make a buck innit?

Problem is really complicated with many touch-points, not merely concern Jeff Kennett elucidated.

* the pleonasm <the d'affaire> was mere pleonasm, but THE THE were a good post-punk band innit. Oh, you hate the French, it's ok, so do I. #meds #dresden medusala
#Poe's_law

Was Ron Evans ever chair before or after Samuels?

Whole d'affaire reminds me of WBYeats' line in Second Coming

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem)

 

[Aramis]

Cant wait to see this abortion of a presser....

Wont be: any show of contrition, taking responsibility, a sincere apology, strategy to fix the stuff-ups.
Will be: political double speak, some contrived insincere "apology" and somewhere on the fence defending the purpose but not the method, some silver-spooned smug prick resuming his MO of class warfare condescension.