Autopsy Geelong defeated by Tigers by 31 points.

[foxdog50]

Mods.

Can you start a new thread for the 2021 team and beyond? As I want to talk about the potential of our side and best way to play etc

 

[RegHickeyStand]

So according to this both Scott and Danger agreed he should stay at FF in the 3rd, thats really strange that Danger would want that rather than being in the action.

Geelong coach under fire after 'horrible' grand final decision

Cats fans are out for blood, claiming a head-scratching decision in the third quarter cost Geelong the grand final.

7news.com.au

Defending his coach. Do not believe that is what he wanted. No gun mid player would want it. Careful comment Danger made, to parphrase "whatever postion helps gets us the win." I heard him say that. Well, we didn't win, so I read between the lines there.

 

[cats_09]

And no-one talked to hi, no-one said Gryan you have time. That is a major problem for us.

It was raised after Dahlhaus & Hawkins spoiled each other (2nd quarter), that Hawkins would have called Dahlhaus out, but the noise at ground level was making it hard to hear teammates

Wonder if that happened with Miers also - an intercept mark in the forward 50 gets the crowd on their feet, so maybe just didn't hear any communication

 

[Grimoz]

Defending his coach. Do not believe that is what he wanted. No gun mid player would want it. Careful comment Danger made, to parphrase "whatever postion helps gets us the win." I heard him say that. Well, we didn't win, so I read between the lines there.

That came from Scott in his presser so nothing to do with Danger defending Scott at all.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

The rushing is the frustrating part. Why act like we are 2 goals down with 1 minute to play. Go back and compose yourself.
Hopefully he learns from it. But otherwise he was good last night.

I can’t blame him for doing it. I mean the main leader in our forward line does it. What’s he supposed to think?

 

[foxdog50]

So according to this both Scott and Danger agreed he should stay at FF in the 3rd, thats really strange that Danger would want that rather than being in the action.

Geelong coach under fire after 'horrible' grand final decision

Cats fans are out for blood, claiming a head-scratching decision in the third quarter cost Geelong the grand final.

7news.com.au

I thought as a head coach should make this decision instead of asking your player...

 

[Grimoz]

I thought as a head coach should make this decision instead of asking your player...

Not necessarily, Danger being a senior leader would put his 2 cents in along with the assistants.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

It’s why when they have injuries they still win games. Everyone plays to the system. Im honestly not sure how to stop them.

Their system is probably the best I’ve seen for finals, it works and so far hasn’t been beaten or countered against successfully. Their list is still right on the ball park as well, they could very well win another 2 flags.

 

[feelinfeline]

I thought as a head coach should make this decision instead of asking your player...

I would guess that champion players often have a say in where they play.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I'm not sure if he's blaming a lack of draft capital. But Richmond also has Cotchin (pick 2), Martin (pick 3), Lynch (7), Prestia (9) and Vlastuin (9) still at or near the top of their games.

The only top 10 picks we have that I can think of are Selwood (7), who's on his way down, and Henderson (8), who at 30 is playing close to career-best football, which doesn't say a lot for his career up to now.

We have Danger and Hawkins at near top of their games. Both tops picks or would've been.
Probably Rohan's best season pick 6
That have just done it better it's the way it goes.
If we don't like we don't get enough draft picks let's not get Cameron next year!
It's no excuse. We can't have it both ways.
Their way has worked better than ours. (Not that we have been bad)

 

[Kyuss]

I can’t blame him for doing it. I mean the main leader in our forward line does it. What’s he supposed to think?

He has to think for himself. But yeah, its frustrating every time anyone does it. Especially Hawk.

 

[feelinfeline]

We have Danger and Hawkins at near top of their games. Both tops picks or would've been.
Probably Rohan's best season pick 6
That have just done it better it's the way it goes.
If we don't like we don't get enough draft picks let's not get Cameron next year!
It's no excuse. We can't have it both ways.
Their way has worked better than ours. (Not that we have been bad)

Forgot about Rohan That’s scary!

Yes, Hawkins would have been top 5.

But Martin clearly is the difference.

 

[cats_09]

Mods.

Can you start a new thread for the 2021 team and beyond? As I want to talk about the potential of our side and best way to play etc

Let me finish my coffee and I'll get something going

 

[Biggy_Boy]

I'm not sure if he's blaming a lack of draft capital. But Richmond also has Cotchin (pick 2), Martin (pick 3), Lynch (7), Prestia (9) and Vlastuin (9) still at or near the top of their games.

Hawkins had one of his best years and would have been a first-rounder, Selwood pick 7, Dangerfield pick 10, Henderson pick 8, Rohan pick 6... But focusing on where players have been drafted is rather pointless. A lot of teams in the comp have far more high draft picks than either side, many in their prime, and they're not competitive. It's a matter of astute selection, good development and developing a system that's effective and a lot of your players can slot into.

 

[ATSAM]

Not necessarily, Danger being a senior leader would put his 2 cents in along with the assistants.

Yes but not make the final decision. Why have a Coach?

 

[feelinfeline]

Hawkins had one of his best years and would have been a first-rounder, Selwood pick 7, Dangerfield pick 10, Henderson pick 8, Rohan pick 6... But focusing on where players have been drafted is rather pointless. A lot of teams in the comp have far more high draft picks than either side, many in their prime, and they're not competitive. It's a matter of astute selection, good development and developing a system that's effective and a lot of your players can slot into.

That's true. Geelong have done it well (better than most). Richmond have done it better. And they have Dustin Martin.

 

[kicksome]

I'm glad this Covid year really took the sting out of losing a grand final by it not feeling like a proper grand final. Oh well, they did better than i thought they would. Sucks that tigers will now be rated and compared to our 07,09,11 team.

 

[lionbear]

Pretty heart broken about last night, from about half way through the second quarter you could see they went to a gear that we don’t have.

Personally, I don’t see how Higgins, Smith and Cameron move us into a position to beat Richmond,Port or Brisbane next year.

Get Cameron, but outside of that slight rebuild should be the key, need to get younger players with ability to beat the top teams.

At least we saved the Tiger army some money, just watch last years Prelim, there is no difference between either match

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Pretty heart broken about last night, from about half way through the second quarter you could see they went to a gear that we don’t have.

Personally, I don’t see how Higgins, Smith and Cameron move us into a position to beat Richmond,Port or Brisbane next year.

Get Cameron, but outside of that slight rebuild should be the key, need to get younger players with ability to beat the top teams.

At least we saved the Tiger army some money, just watch last years Prelim, there is no difference between either match

I think we have Brisbane and Port covered. But not Richmond. I can’t see anyone beating them.

 

[cats_09]

Mods.

Can you start a new thread for the 2021 team and beyond? As I want to talk about the potential of our side and best way to play etc

Let me finish my coffee and I'll get something going

Here ya go -

List Mgmt. - 2021 Team & Beyond...

In the past it seems we've had multiple threads covering some of these ideas, but thought there could be value in combining them into more of a single discussion point since they do overlap/intertwine This includes things such as but not limited to Constructive efforts/areas where the team can...

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[Commando]

It is and by a far way too.

and 2000 Bombers
The only 2 teams I’ve seen live where the opponents went in thinking a small loss is acceptable

feeding christians to lions in the coliseum type stuff

 

[Grimoz]

Yes but not make the final decision. Why have a Coach?

Maybe Danger wasnt right, as mentioned above he wasnt the same after the Vlaustin hit, went into his shell, maybe he was gunshy

 

[jimmy.h]

I think we have Brisbane and Port covered. But not Richmond. I can’t see anyone beating them.

I think Brisbane and West Coast are the 2.

Brisbane beat them this year, young players are a year more experienced and they should take a lot from this finals series.A fit Daniher gives them possibly the biggest missing piece for their setup.

West Coast still have close to the best list in the league. If they can get back the consistency they had in 2018 they are easily good enough to challenge Richmond.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I think Brisbane and West Coast are the 2.

Brisbane beat them this year, young players are a year more experienced and they should take a lot from this finals series.A fit Daniher gives them possibly the biggest missing piece for their setup.

West Coast still have close to the best list in the league. If they can get back the consistency they had in 2018 they are easily good enough to challenge Richmond.

West Coast can’t play away. Very overrated. They only won it in 2018 due to one of the biggest upsets of all time in the prelim.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Favoured or not, here is my autopsy of that game and Geelong going forward.
1. PLAYERS
Stewart
Menegola
Selwood
Duncan
Henderson
Guthrie
Taylor
All capable finals footballers
Positive that
Miers
O'Connor
Henry
Simpson
can be too
Dangerfield is a star but plays entitled and should be told that too. When the chips are down in a final that is when you need to produce your best, a la Dusty.
Hawkins needs a lot of help up forward in finals heat.
Blicavs is a defender and should be there in place of Kolo
We need points of difference as our system is too readable by the best teams.
Ratagolea should play as the second ruck.
Stanley works hard but needs more help than Blicavs brings.
Ratagolea can swing a game.
Dahlhaus and Rohan playing as defensive forwards does not work in the finals. We need players forward who are fearless and can kick goals.
I would have loved Narkle, Clark and Esava in that team for those reasons
Tuohy I'm unsure about
2. COACHING
Going forward we need a forward coach who is less defense minded and a defensive coach who is more attacking.
Small shifts would make a very large differences

Best 22 for 2021
O'Connor Blicavs Henry
Stewart Henderson Clark
Menegola Selwood Duncan
Dangerfield Hawkins Cameron
Miers Ratagolea Narkle
Stanley Guthrie Parfitt
Bews, Higgins, Simpson, Close
Em: Steven, Constable, Tuohy, Stephens, Jenkins, Kolo, Jarvis, Fogarty, Rohan, Kreuger, Fort, Atkins, Evans,

Need for some serious reassessment of the format of our team