Autopsy Geelong defeated by Tigers by 31 points.

[Mad_Hatter]

Richmonds system works because they don't have to be perfect.
It's just intensity and work rate and knowing when to go.
Hence why it works, they can be out of a game, absolutely dominated, for large periods but never be lost, always find a way back, because it doesn't rely on perfect execution.
Cats, and others, however, DO rely on perfect execution, for us to with the flag we MUST play perfectly at all times, every opportunity.
I can't remember who said that prior to finals but it stuck with me at the time and it's come flooding back again, we simply cannot play perfect football for the entirety of the game to win. Richmond don't need to.
I dunno if thats coaching, or personal or just the current AFL landscape but we cannot beat Richmond while they play that system and we play one that requires perfection.

 

[you pick one]

I promise you I'm not saying this with any true conviction, I have no factual evidence it's just a vibe I've got from him and I was wondering if anyone else got it.

Maybe it's just his demeanor, I'm not sure


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I wasn't having a crack at you or your post either just engaging and winding down..

 

[Grimoz]

A few years back, this wouldnt have even been a conversation. Danger was running at full speed trying to break a tackle-it was an accident. But unfortunately these days that’s not enough. He shouldn’t be cited at all, but he probably will be.

Yep its the way footy is these days and to be fair i dont blame the AFL, there are a lot of law suits coming in regards to concussions so they have to be seen as giving a ****.

 

[nick1408]

I know it means nothing from me but geez you guys have been magnanimous in defeat tonight

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Fully aware of the injury, also aware he was ineffectual in every final.

That's just incorrect.

 

[Live in hope]

Congratulations on a great year all. Gaz is one of the best I’ve ever seen and hopefully we get to see another Ablett offspring one day.

Thanks mate. Extremely classy of Tigers to line up for Gaz after winning. Tigers have the game and list for at least another one probably two.

 

[Grimoz]

Can anyone explain why there were no press conferences after the game, would have really liked to hear what Scott had to say about the fade out.

 

[Grimoz]

I know it means nothing from me but geez you guys have been magnanimous in defeat tonight

No shame in being beaten by the best team mate, congrats, enjoy it

 

[My Tilly]

Whether you appreciate it or not, Richmond is officially a dynasty team. We did well to get to this GF. When they actually beat Port in SA, I (and many of us) knew this was bad news. We had an opportunity, sure, but we could not cope with the relentless pressure they applied, and tonight, the sheer class and brilliance of Martin. Have not seen a better player in my many years of following footy since 1963.
Richmond players, since the 2017 GF, are excellent marks. That is a SKILL. They are more accurate in front of goal than all other contenders. Another skill. They make opposition players crack under their pressure. Skill.
We failed BECAUSE they prevailed. We gave everything and the final margin was not a true indication of how competitive we were.
Even without Vlaustin from so early in the game, they just regrouped. This Richmond team is every bit bas good as those dynasty teams you mentioned, and as I said before, scarily, there is no reason they can't go on to win a few more.

They are still prime in key areas of the field such as rucks: Nankervis (26), Soldo (24). Forwards in Lynch (28), Martin (29). Backs in Astbury (29), Grimes (29), Vlastuin (26).
Where they are long in the tooth is in the midfield. Other than Prestia (28), all of Cotchin, Edwards and Lambert are now in the back end of their careers.
They would be desperate for a player like Crouch or Dunkley from the Bulldogs. Then again, the manner in which they develop their own players is first class so wouldn't be beyond them to develop some unknown in 2021.

 

[scooterstar]

I question whether our coaching box learned anything from last years prelim.

At halftime all I could think was can we control the first 5 minutes after halftime.

Having our bull sitting in the forward 50 was a poor decision.

Put him around the ball to protect and enhance the lead, instead they destroyed us again at the contest.

A missed opportunity !

 

[caitsith01]

Whether you appreciate it or not, Richmond is officially a dynasty team. We did well to get to this GF. When they actually beat Port in SA, I (and many of us) knew this was bad news. We had an opportunity, sure, but we could not cope with the relentless pressure they applied, and tonight, the sheer class and brilliance of Martin. Have not seen a better player in my many years of following footy since 1963.
Richmond players, since the 2017 GF, are excellent marks. That is a SKILL. They are more accurate in front of goal than all other contenders. Another skill. They make opposition players crack under their pressure. Skill.
We failed BECAUSE they prevailed. We gave everything and the final margin was not a true indication of how competitive we were.
Even without Vlaustin from so early in the game, they just regrouped. This Richmond team is every bit bas good as those dynasty teams you mentioned, and as I said before, scarily, there is no reason they can't go on to win a few more.

Explain to me how Richmond's brilliance caused Hawkins and Miers to play on and miss eminently gettable shots when we had them absolutely on the ropes?

It's comfortable but lazy to write this off as "Richmond are just so super duper great".

And 2008 Geelong or Hawthorn would beat this Richmond team by 15 goals

 

[Larry Donohue]

After last year's preliminary final and this year's grand final, I'm of the view that our coaching panel learned nothing.
Both games we controlled the first half
Both games we capitulated in the second half by playing to save the game.
We need a forward coach who understands attacking football
We need defensive coaching that understands attacking football
Where is our free playing Dusty
Dahlhaus, Rohan, Miers doesn't cut it in finals footy
Danger Hawkins Higgins
Rohan Cameron Cockatoo
Might cut it
Need more speed off half back too
Very disappointing finish to a special season
Farewell Ablett and Taylor. You were warriors

 

[zyzzbruh]

Gutted for you guys.

Found it quite odd that you went from absolute domination hard at it, clean and total control in the 2nd, to looking completely disinterested and fumbly at the flick of a switch. Was weird tbh. I didn't think Richmond played their way into the game, geelong played themselves out of it.

That dusty goal at the end of the 2nd, and Myers miss were huge game breakers.

Dangerfield is a warrior but couldn't help but notice his body language in the last couple of games. Seemed subdued almost like he was trying overly hard to stay focussed.

 

[Grimoz]

Anyone heard how Simpson is?

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

I question whether our coaching box learned anything from last years prelim.

At halftime all I could think was can we control the first 5 minutes after halftime.

Having our bull sitting in the forward 50 was a poor decision.

Put him around the ball to protect and enhance the lead, instead they destroyed us again at the contest.

A missed opportunity !

My worst fear at HT too. Sadly nothing has been learnt, plus Paddy calls the shots where he plays, not Scott, falls on him. Danger doesn’t strike me as one who wants the moment like Dusty does.

 

[winty]

And thats being naive.

Taylor gone. Hendo & Blicavs 30+ next year. Stewart is our only rebounding defender with quality foot skills. Kolo Bews & Henry can be suspect under pressure.

We have hard working mids in Menegola, Duncan, Guthrie & Blicavs who help out down back and it's key too our system.

But we clearly lack defenders with elite ball skills and composure under pressure.

It may not be our no 1 issue to address but it's still to be looked at.

The bolded is one of the issues I was referring to, and is why Champion Data rated our defence so lowly at the start of the season. Our defence is good at limiting the opposition's scoring, which is their primary role, but it's getting the ball moving in the other direction which is a problem. It's probably why our midfielders have to work back so hard to pick up the slack. Oddly enough, Dusty used to do the same, but it was when they got blokes like Houli down back that he was allowed to push forward and be a hell of a lot more damaging as a result. We need someone like that down back so we could use Duncan and Menegola forward of centre more. Stewart can do it when the opposition allows it, but we need more than him to do it.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Richmonds system works because they don't have to be perfect.
It's just intensity and work rate and knowing when to go.
Hence why it works, they can be out of a game, absolutely dominated, for large periods but never be lost, always find a way back, because it doesn't rely on perfect execution.
Cats, and others, however, DO rely on perfect execution, for us to with the flag we MUST play perfectly at all times, every opportunity.
I can't remember who said that prior to finals but it stuck with me at the time and it's come flooding back again, we simply cannot play perfect football for the entirety of the game to win. Richmond don't need to.
I dunno if thats coaching, or personal or just the current AFL landscape but we cannot beat Richmond while they play that system and we play one that requires perfection.

That system suits their players.
I've already said they have alot of B and C graders in their team.
The system works most weeks only 3 or 4 players get 20 plus touches.
Each of them do their bit.
They tap it to get a player in space then bang it forward.
We try to grab the ball to hand pass but we get tackled or caught with the ball.

I said it to co workers they have the best system in the league.
We needed to play 4 great quarters.

 

[romeohwho]

Does anyone?

Think Darcy Gardiner

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Darcy Gardiner

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

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Last 5

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12.6

3star

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7.4

3star

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5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

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2.1

4star

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0.0

1star

D

10.7

3star

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7.9

3star

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2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

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2.1

3star

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0.0

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10.2

3star

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6.0

3star

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4.2

4star

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3.6

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

? went with him in brissy game and martin’s influence was definitely subdued. And brissy won.

 

[Grimoz]

In reality if we look at it if we played like we did in the first half against any other team it would have been over, the Tigers just have that go go go in them and go to the next level much like our 2007-2011 team.
As much as im disappointed in the loss i can also be happy with the knowledge that we took it right up to the best team in the comp for a half not relying on our superstars (or percieved superstars)

 

[rocker_oz33]

Any of you on the Geelong FB page .

Oh my full of Nuffies.

I going to leave that page.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

That system suits their players.
I've already said they have alot of B and C graders in their team.
The system works most weeks only 3 or 4 players get 20 plus touches.
Each of them do their bit.
They tap it to get a player in space then bang it forward.
We try to grab the ball to hand pass but we get tackled or caught with the ball.

I said it to co workers they have the best system in the league.
We needed to play 4 great quarters.

Yup exactly.
We need to play collectively brilliantly and have several players have great games to win.
They simply don't.
They can actually play poorly for the majority of the game and never be out of it, and usually find a way to win.
That and composure, they ooze composure.

 

[Morning Glory]

I’m glass half full. I wasn’t sure if my kids were passionate cats fans. Barely seemed interested. Tonight they were in tears. That meant more to me than winning.

Sure it sucks to lose, but we have 3 life long cats supporters!

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Funny you say that. Mine exactly the same.

 

[51niwstac]

I know it means nothing from me but geez you guys have been magnanimous in defeat tonight

Your team are awesome, even Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

49

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

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D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

would agree, if he could remove his head from his ass. Or maybe he did, I stuck my head in my ass on the final siren. Tigers are just firing on all cylinders and then some come finals.

 

[Live in hope]

Explain to me how Richmond's brilliance caused Hawkins and Miers to play on and miss eminently gettable shots when we had them absolutely on the ropes?

It's comfortable but lazy to write this off as "Richmond are just so super duper great".

And 2008 Geelong or Hawthorn would beat this Richmond team by 15 goals

Sorry but disagree. Tigers are one of the best contested ball teams ever with tonnes of talent, skill and a number of X factor players, not just Dusty. Conceivable that they snag another couple with this list.

 

[Danger2Selwood]

Hate to say it, but we're just going to be one of those sides, and there's plenty of them, who are near enough but not quite good enough.

It is what it is, personally I'd be going the youth route and loading up via the draft, but I can't exactly begrudge the club for loading up and going again after a GF berth and one of the premier forwards of the comp nominating us as his desired destination.

Hope for next year is still there, hopefully (Covid permitting) things are a little more 'normal' and we can go again. Get Cameron and I reckon we're comfortably the second best side in the comp, unfortunately it's all to no avail if we can't beat the mob from Punt Rd.

Thanks for the year all


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