Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Turbocat]

I wonder how many on here will not get offered a contract for 2021 ..

 

[Turbocat]

You should have seen how pathetic our first attempt at getting a female team.

We are just not that active with our academy.

The W things probably a discussion for another thread .. but if we relate it to our academy for nga ... perhaps a slow start with then will get ramped up.

I dont think we really will get a huge disadvantage in not getting R2 type players from our nga ... of couse everyone loves a bargain gun but will dumping a lot of money into the development ensure that? If we have the raw talent fine ..but whipping a dead horse will not make it run quicker... if the talent is not there then all the money in the world will not bring us a player like Henry who Freo got this year. I suspect after 2020 ..the discount will go that will slow down some of the honey for some clubs..

To me the criteria for the qualification in the academy will be looked at sometime down the track.. surely the most important thing is to get talent into the afl system ..not that there was some sort of lucky birth arrangement where a player was born outside of australia..

 

[Turbocat]

this will be a good one...

im getting a full caraffe of scotch...

GO Catters

a caraffe of scotch ... .. a big night or a quick night ... LOL

 

[Strange Cat]

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I wonder how many on here will not get offered a contract for 2021 ..

Going to be a big year next draft , thankfully Wells has already started to prepare for it by getting some decent picks.

hopefully we win a flag this year and it helps some of the seniors to move on. We have a solid base with the kids at the club moving forward so I’m not in panic mode if we have a big turnover.

 

[Turbocat]

Going to be a big year next draft , thankfully Wells has already started to prepare for it by getting some decent picks.

hopefully we win a flag this year and it helps some of the seniors to move on. We have a solid base with the kids at the club moving forward so I’m not in panic mode if we have a big turnover.

No room for panic .... and no need.. but as the movie said ..... there will be blood.

 

[Strange Cat]

No room for panic .... and no need.. but as the movie said ..... there will be blood.

A flag will ease the pain

 

[Warhorse]

?

Our first season with a womens team at any level was the 2017 VFLW season and we finished 5th with 8 wins & 6 losses

Thought that was a pretty good, solid effort from an inaugural team

Our first attempt trying to get a team, not our first season

 

[cats_09]

Our first attempt trying to get a team, not our first season

So you mean when we had one of the most professional presentations, when we had the sponsorship and support lined up but the AFL put their heads in the sand, ignored the growth of womens football in the region to instead go with their favorites in Carlton & Collingwood?

No issue with Melbourne & Bulldogs getting licences, but it was a joke when the other Vic licensees went to Collingwood & Carlton

So, how is that the GFC's fault?

And still waiting for an explanation as to how the club has botched their academy - been no response to that question yet...

 

[Cool Cat]

This academy talk is interesting though. whilst warhorse may simply be grumbling, I have often wondered about this myself. Other clubs seem to be picking up these academy guys right, left and centre - top prospects at discounts, it’s clearly a rort so why can’t we get some? To be honest, I wasn’t even sure if we even had an academy (although the Arnhem Land thing does ring a bell), and I sure as hell haven’t heard of a single academy prospect who has been on our radar at any point. So what the hell is going on and who needs to pull their finger out?

 

[Down at K Park]

Not sure you can exactly say that when you consider the success we have had from f&s picks over the past decade - pretty sure that most teams would have loved to have had access to even one f&s selection who'd have a career like Ablett, Scarlett & Hawkins have had, let alone access to all 3

Look at it as ebbs & flows of the system - just because we aren't reaping the benifits at the moment doesn't mean we haven't in the past nor that we won't in the future

The big 3 were well over a decade ago, and we have not had an academy pick unless you count schlensog who we got with a rookie pick. No one else would have drafted him.

Our zone is an extremely week one, no doubt given to us by the afl cause we are eligible for f/s.

All the while other clubs like sydney, who are also eligible for f/s, get a zone that is a gold mine.

We are getting no return on either.

There really should be rules on how many f/s and academy picks each club can have every couple of years, and it should also we based on points so certain clubs don’t keep getting gold while others get nothing.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

The Academy is like the old zoning system. Some clubs have a tremendous advantage.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Tanner Bruhn and Oliver Henry are my wishes for the 2020 draft.

 

[Turbocat]

This academy talk is interesting though. whilst warhorse may simply be grumbling, I have often wondered about this myself. Other clubs seem to be picking up these academy guys right, left and centre - top prospects at discounts, it’s clearly a rort so why can’t we get some? To be honest, I wasn’t even sure if we even had an academy (although the Arnhem Land thing does ring a bell), and I sure as hell haven’t heard of a single academy prospect who has been on our radar at any point. So what the hell is going on and who needs to pull their finger out?

Schlensog is an acd player on our list.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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I wonder how many on here will not get offered a contract for 2021 ..

Rohan has signed...ablett and taylor will retire...hawkins and tuohy will definitely get signed.
Parfitt Narkle and Henry we will definitely offer good deals to...Cockatoo is get fit or delist.
Most of the rest need to play a lot of seniors or gone depending on how many spots we need.
Both Fort and Stanley could go but only if we trade in a couple of rucks.

 

[Turbocat]

Rohan has signed...ablett and taylor will retire...hawkins and tuohy will definitely get signed.
Parfitt Narkle and Henry we will definitely offer good deals to...Cockatoo is get fit or delist.
Most of the rest need to play a lot of seniors or gone depending on how many spots we need.
Both Fort and Stanley could go but only if we trade in a couple of rucks.

Hard to argue with that assessment ... there are usually some surprises ... and a bit of churn.

 

[Turbocat]

Tanner Bruhn and Oliver Henry are my wishes for the 2020 draft.

I think we were both green on getting Copper S in this years draft ..and it panned out that way ..... What do you like about Bruhn?

 

[Turbocat]

The big 3 were well over a decade ago, and we have not had an academy pick unless you count schlensog who we got with a rookie pick. No one else would have drafted him.

Our zone is an extremely week one, no doubt given to us by the afl cause we are eligible for f/s.

All the while other clubs like sydney, who are also eligible for f/s, get a zone that is a gold mine.

We are getting no return on either.

There really should be rules on how many f/s and academy picks each club can have every couple of years, and it should also we based on points so certain clubs don’t keep getting gold while others get nothing.

The academy system seems more a reaction to the free ride the Northern clubs atm . It will need refinement in fact it needs refinement for sure ..the first will be the reduction or elimination of discount for early , perhaps R1 picks. If a club like Freo is lucky enough to get access to Henry ..there is no reason for them not to pay "rate" .

For Geelong ..having access to Barwon could be a boon in the long term. If they ever soften the rules on qualification ..as I think they should ..to grab more Blitz types from other sports ..then there is more than enough talent.... but even if the born overseas rules stays... I wonder if down the track there will a lot of Ex ..africa types that we may access locally?
But really it should be about pumping up the local talent in the extreme areas that are denied access to the best development.

I wouldnt want to see Geelong dump money down the drain ..but if geelong considers itself a strong club.. Id hope to see them take players and reps etc , put money into their Northern area and not just rely on what they have been given ..but develop something for themselves and for the comp. Again..the concept should be about making these far away areas better for Geelong's involvement..and giving deprived young men chances..

 

[Turbocat]

So you mean when we had one of the most professional presentations, when we had the sponsorship and support lined up but the AFL put their heads in the sand, ignored the growth of womens football in the region to instead go with their favorites in Carlton & Collingwood?

No issue with Melbourne & Bulldogs getting licences, but it was a joke when the other Vic licensees went to Collingwood & Carlton

So, how is that the GFC's fault?

And still waiting for an explanation as to how the club has botched their academy - been no response to that question yet...

Depending on ones POV ..and natural disposition ..I guess everything something like a club you follow could be sunshine and rainbows or cesspool of redolent offal ....

Hence , in a 2020 draft thread we have some mentions of errors current or past ..perhaps long past. Did GFC do everything 100% right in previous drafts or entry into the W comp or what ever... almost certainly not ...but we are where we are now...and I look at other clubs who have come in in their particular style creating waves ..and other clubs like Port who have still yet to enter and have a heck of a hill to climb no to peg back the Crows and then I look at Geelong ..and we have entered in a way that is about servicing the local W community as much as sticking out our chest and being the "Big Boys" in the W comp. Is it really that critical that we win flags in the W comp..probably not. Nice more than critical. Id be happier to try to see a more stable club environment established. I feel for the Dogs watching their best player depart to Rich for eg.

But back on 2020 and the boys.


Already we are seeing references to oldest list type vib ..we have to do it now etc.. to some degree I dofeel this is becuase we lack a outstanding gun kid. Would that article be written if we had a King in our forwardline or a Rowell etc in our mid group. So we still need a couple of younger type to really step up. For guys like Parfitt its time imo. He has been far from bad , having three seasons of 15,19, 20 ..but with 50 odd games on the clock... now is the time we should see what he can be if he is going to be etc...

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Eight reasons to get excited about Geelong in 2020
Several key Cats including Gary Ablett, Tom Hawkins, Joel Selwood and Patrick Dangerfield are all the wrong side of 30, but that might not necessarily be a bad thing for Geelong’s 2020 hopes. Here’s eight reasons to get excited.

1. PRIME TIME
It would seem 2020 is the year that Geelong must go all the way if they are to win a premiership with their current playing group. The Cats have the fourth-oldest playing list in the competition, set to start next season with an average age of 24.22. Gary Ablett is 35, Harry Taylor is 33, Tom Hawkins and Joel Selwood are both 31, Zach Tuohy is 30 and Patrick Dangerfield will be 30 in April. Taylor has said the reason he decided to play on for a 13th season was to “help the team win a premiership in 2020” and Ablett has spoken along similar lines. The Cats need to capitalise while their experienced stars remain, and the belief is clearly there that they can.

 

[dazbroncos]

This academy talk is interesting though. whilst warhorse may simply be grumbling, I have often wondered about this myself. Other clubs seem to be picking up these academy guys right, left and centre - top prospects at discounts, it’s clearly a rort so why can’t we get some? To be honest, I wasn’t even sure if we even had an academy (although the Arnhem Land thing does ring a bell), and I sure as hell haven’t heard of a single academy prospect who has been on our radar at any point. So what the hell is going on and who needs to pull their finger out?

The academy region is given to us not selected by us - and from my limited knowledge it’s a large area but not overly known for its footy player production - so we can only selected from it what the region yields as prospects - and quite bluntly if it yields nothing then that’s what get to choose from.
The swans academy on the other hand is a 20 year old afl project that has great funding (afl based) and is yielding the likes of Mills and Heeney to name a few.
If we had the academy rights to the Falcons we’d be laughing. Of course .. we will never get it and if we had it the AFL would rezone so we lost it.
I’m sure at some point we will get a better player than Schlensog but right know he’s it.
Go Catters

 

[Turbocat]

The academy region is given to us not selected by us - and from my limited knowledge it’s a large area but not overly known for its footy player production - so we can only selected from it what the region yields as prospects - and quite bluntly if it yields nothing then that’s what get to choose from.
The swans academy on the other hand is a 20 year old afl project that has great funding (afl based) and is yielding the likes of Mills and Heeney to name a few.
If we had the academy rights to the Falcons we’d be laughing. Of course .. we will never get it and if we had it the AFL would rezone so we lost it.
I’m sure at some point we will get a better player than Schlensog but right know he’s it.
Go Catters

Nice Post daz.

I dont think we can compare our academy to the 4 Northern clubs version ... Mills or Heeney would not qualify under our system would they ? Falcons would be a riot hence , as you say , never will happen.

 

[Down at K Park]

Nice Post daz.

I dont think we can compare our academy to the 4 Northern clubs version ... Mills or Heeney would not qualify under our system would they ? Falcons would be a riot hence , as you say , never will happen.

How come sydney is allowed to have a special academy, while still having access to father/sons? Its bullshit.

 

[Turbocat]

How come sydney is allowed to have a special academy, while still having access to father/sons? Its bullshit.

Not how id describe it..

 

[cats_09]

How come sydney is allowed to have a special academy, while still having access to father/sons? Its bullshit.

I think that's around the idea that both NSW (Swans & GWS academies) and Qld (Lions & Suns academies) aren't seen as historically rich areas for the development of AFL talent, with both states known more as rugby regions (league & union)

So the idea behind those teams having special academies is -
The QBE Sydney Swans Academy aims to build and maintain a strong AFL culture in NSW.

The Academy program is designed to increase the number of players and coaches in NSW who have sound AFL knowledge and high-level skills.


Guess the question to ask is should academies be club controlled or should they be controlled by the AFL and thus no club protected picks in terms of academy players?

 

[dazbroncos]

Bernard Toohey went to swans in 1985 or so..
his kids could be 30 + by now. The notion that the Swans can’t have f/s and need compensation in that respect is crap now.
Get in line with the rest of comp or jump in the sea.
Go Catters

 

[catswhiskers]

Do either of the NSW clubs get access to players who play in the Ovens and Murray league (and Bushrangers)?

Many southern NSW kids are born into AFL footy families and should not be part of academies. I think in the past some have been available to Sydney or GWS.

NSW kids who attend private schools in Victoria (big AFL influence) also should not be available. Same here I think some kids who have been at an AFL school but have family in NSW have been elegible for selection by NSW clubs.

I would be keen to hear from someone who knows more than I do.