Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

41

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

" Rule is back

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Instead of going after Grundy and paying him 600-700k a year for the next 4-5 years, we are much better off keeping any cap space and then target someone like Jade Gresham next year who’s a free agent.

Really?

I’d rather throw that energy and coin at someone who can partner with Lewis.

 

[Gut Runner]

I wonder if we have revisited this with the emergence of Newcombe and Blanck.

You could argue those guys are everything and more you would want in a top 30 pick.

That would make 5 already with at least another 2 top 30 picks this year.

You need top 30 picks AND luck with finding guns in other ways.

Still need a heap of talent across the whole park

 

[Gut Runner]

The risk component of all this is quantifying paying the amount of cash required. Especially towards the end of the contract where you’d hope we are paying the likes of Ward, DGB, Day etc. good coin because their form warrants it.

Regardless of Grundy, us getting another first rounder in would be massive in the quest for 3 picks under 25 again. This my opinion is just as important if not more than acquiring Grundy

Paying $1.1m for pick 15-19 would be bold - I like it.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Dewwwww]

I’m in the Brinker-Ritchie camp.

We need someone who can come in as a backup and play 5 games or so. I think the low cost option of Brinker-Ritchie (on the rookie list) would allow us to put the extra $$$ into a salary dump scenario (Cogs / Whitfield etc)

Leave a spot open for the mid season draft in case Lynch is having similar issues to this year

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I’m in the Brinker-Ritchie camp.

We need someone who can come in as a backup and play 5 games or so. I think the low cost option of Brinker-Ritchie (on the rookie list) would allow us to put the extra $$$ into a salary dump scenario (Cogs / Whitfield etc)

Leave a spot open for the mid season draft in case Lynch is having similar issues to this year

Whitfield doesn’t help us at all.

Mids or forwards.

 

[Dewwwww]

Whitfield doesn’t help us at all.

Mids or forwards.

I still hold out hope that we can let Mitchell go for a pick in the 25-35 range and bring in Cogs as a salary dump (to help replace the loss of experience re Shiels / Mitchell etc) and head to the draft with at least equivalent of picks 5 or 6 / 25 and another in 25-35 range at the very least.

Cogs has been quite impressive this year and would add a different dynamic in there to what Tom does. Think he would go up a level as well playing with his best mate

 

[Blackhawk42]

I still hold out hope that we can let Mitchell go for a pick in the 25-35 range and bring in Cogs as a salary dump (to help replace the loss of experience re Shiels / Mitchell etc) and head to the draft with at least equivalent of picks 5 or 6 / 25 and another in 25-35 range at the very least.

Cogs has been quite impressive this year and would add a different dynamic in there to what Tom does. Think he would go up a level as well playing with his best mate

I think it will be Amon as the dynamic mid we add from another club. He'll get some CBA's every now and then.

 

[theiaofseed]

I still hold out hope that we can let Mitchell go for a pick in the 25-35 range and bring in Cogs as a salary dump (to help replace the loss of experience re Shiels / Mitchell etc) and head to the draft with at least equivalent of picks 5 or 6 / 25 and another in 25-35 range at the very least.

Cogs has been quite impressive this year and would add a different dynamic in there to what Tom does. Think he would go up a level as well playing with his best mate

The pick/s we get for Mitchell we would trade that with our Pick 24 for Brisbane's first pick 14*

 

[Burtman]

I’m in the Brinker-Ritchie camp.

We need someone who can come in as a backup and play 5 games or so. I think the low cost option of Brinker-Ritchie (on the rookie list) would allow us to put the extra $$$ into a salary dump scenario (Cogs / Whitfield etc)

Leave a spot open for the mid season draft in case Lynch is having similar issues to this year

There’s probably 50 better state league ruckman to choose from if we were going to go that way.

 

[Steven Tyler]

I think it will be Amon as the dynamic mid we add from another club. He'll get some CBA's every now and then.

Melbourne chasing Amon also

 

[Blackhawk42]

Melbourne chasing Amon also

Was reported that they'd pulled out of that race.

Unless something has changed again.

 

[Brant]

Paying $1.1m for pick 15-19 would be bold - I like it.

Problem is that it'd be a 5yr deal, so that's $5m* for Pick 15-19.


*I'm sure we'd try to negotiate it down, but you get the point

 

[Ned Ryerson]

The pick/s we get for Mitchell we would trade that with our Pick 24 for Brisbane's first pick 14*

Isn’t the likelihood that Brisbane will trade with Gold Coast to get the points they need?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The pick/s we get for Mitchell we would trade that with our Pick 24 for Brisbane's first pick 14*

Brisbane only have to look at what the Suns have to ignore our request for their first rounder.

 

[theiaofseed]

Brisbane only have to look at what the Suns have to ignore our request for their first rounder.

You would think so yes, I've said for ages the Suns will trade 26+31+35+44+43 for Brisbanes first and their McStay compensation.

But it depends on what we can get for Mitchell 23+24 is only 218 points(pick 55) off 26+31+35

 

[Roger Rogerson]

There’s probably 50 better state league ruckman to choose from if we were going to go that way.

B-R rapid improvement in a very short space this season suggests he may be able to go up another level too. I suggest a lot of the state league ruckman are at their ceiling.

 

[Dewwwww]

B-R rapid improvement in a very short space this season suggests he may be able to go up another level too. I suggest a lot of the state league ruckman are at their ceiling.

And he would know the Hawthorn game plan / playing style having already played with a lot of our players at Box Hill.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I asked whether we will break even if we trade T.Mitchell.

Folks want to discuss about the awards from 5 years ago, that's cool.

But that's not going to help us come trade week.

People need to drop the emotions and get real.

Let's try again..

We gave up pick 14, without having to assist with salary, what is a realistic return?

As players get older trade value drops. Unreasonable to look for “preserved pick value “

 

[TylerDurden]

We'd get nothing if Bris landed him.

 

[streetspirit]

Brisbane guns for Hawks’ Jack
Brisbane is keen on Hawthorn veteran Jack Gunston

19

Jack Gunston

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

as Daniel McStay

11

Daniel Mcstay

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.4

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.2

4star

’s replacement in the forward line.
The veteran Hawk has attracted strong interest late in the season after kicking two bags of five goals to help boost his contract price.
As a free agent, Gunston could walk to the club of his choice and Brisbane is on the lookout for another marking target to fill the McStay void.
But Gunston, 30, also has a strong sense of loyalty to Hawthorn and could stay on a two-year deal.
Talks were put to the side as he mourned the passing of his father, Ray, recently.

as per TD's link above

 

[Gut Runner]

as per TD's link above

Would we get compo?

 

[theiaofseed]

We'd get nothing if Bris landed him.

We would as they would trade for Gunston, as not to devalue their compensation for McStay.

 

[TylerDurden]

We would as they would trade for Gunston, as not to devalue their compensation for McStay.

True. Good point.

 

[Stratton24]

True. Good point.

a future 3rd is a slap in the face for Jack - we must sign him