How many years away are we from seeing a full AFL Reserves Comp?

[JPetro83]

Will we ever see a full AFL reserves comp? or will the cost to run it be too much for the AFL to handle?
The state league comps need to revert back to what they were as the integrity of those comps suffer big time!

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[Sphynx]

Will we ever see a full AFL reserves comp? or will the cost to run it be too much for the AFL to handle?
The state league comps need to revert back to what they were as the integrity of those comps suffer big time!

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A while.

The only reason the NSW and QLD clubs are involved is an insatiable desire by the AFL to give them every single possible advantage to get better and be competitive. The same as adding their Academy sides into the Coates League...

It's created a massive drain on VFL programs to be travelling similar km's to some AFL sides for reserves games that were perfectly fine when completed locally.

 

[kane249]

Been a lot of debate on our board about it given how dire the Eagles WAFL side has been and attracting talent due to the recruiting restrictions.

Running out of time: Port and the SANFL's separation anxiety - InDaily

indaily.com.au

Rucci has been agitating towards it for awhile for the SANFL teams.

Money is the obvious stumbling block here

 

[Danw0w]

I believe it should happen, as long as it doesn't kill the local comps. There's still a dedicated fan base for the sanfl and wafl and it would be sad to see them go.

 

[kane249]

I believe it should happen, as long as it doesn't kill the local comps. There's still a dedicated fan base for the sanfl and wafl and it would be sad to see them go.

That's going to be the hard part.

If you take the teams out of the local leagues and plonk them in the AFL reserves, they are going to need to recruit players from somewhere to make up their numbers.

Having them recruit from the ammos like what the Eagles have had to do won't cut it, the WAFL and SANFL would be raided.

 

[Hamingja]

The VFL is a complete joke these days. It has got worse and worse over the years. Now they have half a dozen weeks across the season where your VFL club doesn't play. The clubs might as well just play scratch matches amongst themselves.

 

[aussierulesrules]

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[Great8]

the WAFL and SANFL would be raided.

Maybe there should be a compensation/transfer setup like soccer.

 

[deck]

The VFL is a complete joke these days. It has got worse and worse over the years. Now they have half a dozen weeks across the season where your VFL club doesn't play. The clubs might as well just play scratch matches amongst themselves.

Collingwood had 2 byes in 3 or 4 weeks and are due another 2 byes over the next 4 weeks. Hard to use for development and preparation of players when you keep having weeks off for no reason. 2 byes is enough and 1 should align with the AFL bye.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Would that mean increases list sizes to about 60-70 players? If yes I believe it should happen but the minimum salary needs to be decreased. If minimum salary is not decreased and list sizes increase then cost of tv rights and attending games goes up

 

[Canberra Pear]

Given that Port's reserves side is the Magpies, would we get to wear our prison bars?

Or would we exist as the Power in the reserves and keep the Magpies in the SANFL?

 

[beema limapep]

Interesting. Thinking out aloud could we have a nationalised 3 tier system?

4 QLD clubs
4 NSW clubs
10 SA clubs (Sanfl)
10 WA clubs (Wafl)
14 Vic clubs
1 NT club
1 Tas club

Division 2 - All Afl reserves plus NT. 20 teams
Division 3 - 12 next teams. Relegation of bottom 2.
Division 4 -- 1e next teams. Promotion of top 2.

 

[Outtatym]

Given that Port's reserves side is the Magpies, would we get to wear our prison bars?

Or would we exist as the Power in the reserves and keep the Magpies in the SANFL?

Pretty obvious isn't it, anything to do with the AFL you are the power in teal

 

[kane249]

Given that Port's reserves side is the Magpies, would we get to wear our prison bars?

Or would we exist as the Power in the reserves and keep the Magpies in the SANFL?

You would still be the Power since Collingwood has a VFL side

No prison bar jumper

 

[kane249]

Maybe there should be a compensation/transfer setup like soccer.

Current compensation is $10k for any player drafted from a seconds team, probably needs to be raised

 

[Vassp]

soon as possible please, Wafl got the leg up the VFL shouldve got. shame

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The sooner the better. The way that the SANFL treats Port and the Crows is a joke.

Port has had 8 weeks of - free kick differentials for a total of -69 over 8 weeks. Crows not much better ans it's the same every year.

Combine it with the ridiculous recruiting restrictions and there isn't much point being there.

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[masai tu]

Been a lot of debate on our board about it given how dire the Eagles WAFL side has been and attracting talent due to the recruiting restrictions.

Running out of time: Port and the SANFL's separation anxiety - InDaily

indaily.com.au

Rucci has been agitating towards it for awhile for the SANFL teams.

Money is the obvious stumbling block here

Don’t give a rats about the VFL, that is for Victorian supporters to debate.

As for the WA & maybe SA, AFL teams, travelling costs for their reserves are going to be astronomical. Were do they get top up players from ?. Who pays for it ?.

The Eagles have already been through the task of sourcing top up players. Been looked at, and the top ups are adding bugger all. The AFL teams need to support and use their feeder leagues, not try and re-invent the wheel.

For my 2 cents, I say that a national reserves competition will be a money drain, and not an improvement on what the teams already have access to. The main voice I hear on this issue in WA is the Eagles, ...... they had a darn good feeder system for their players. Swallow your pride and go back to farming the players out, rather than surrounding them with Ammo’s.

 

[Redline]

The whole second/ third tier needs to be addressed as it's a dogs breakfast at the moment.

Personally I think there is room for a reserves comp and a semi professional state league competition in each state.

By semi professional I mean a comp where guys who want to get the best out of themselves play. Higher standard and training than what you see at a country football level.

That's a bit different to say a reserves comp player where results are not the main measure.

 

[kane249]

Don’t give a rats about the VFL, that is for Victorian supporters to debate.

As for the WA & maybe SA, AFL teams, travelling costs for their reserves are going to be astronomical. Were do they get top up players from ?. Who pays for it ?.

The Eagles have already been through the task of sourcing top up players. Been looked at, and the top ups are adding bugger all. The AFL teams need to support and use their feeder leagues, not try and re-invent the wheel.

For my 2 cents, I say that a national reserves competition will be a money drain, and not an improvement on what the teams already have access to. The main voice I hear on this issue in WA is the Eagles, ...... they had a darn good feeder system for their players. Swallow your pride and go back to farming the players out, rather than surrounding them with Ammo’s.

Farming players out is an outdated model from 20 years ago, we would be the only club in the league to not have a reserves side if we did that.

There's too much at stake now with player development, having them spread around different clubs is archaic.

Ideally Perth Demons would have aligned with us, but they were happy being irrelevant since the 70s. A quote from one of their members was they would rather win 10 wooden spoons than align with the Eagles and win anything. The definition of cut your nose off to spite your face.

 

[citizen-erased]

A while.

The only reason the NSW and QLD clubs are involved is an insatiable desire by the AFL to give them every single possible advantage to get better and be competitive. The same as adding their Academy sides into the Coates League...

It's created a massive drain on VFL programs to be travelling similar km's to some AFL sides for reserves games that were perfectly fine when completed locally.

I think it can be absorbed if you schedule the reserves sides to play the first sides opponent

Ie port v eagles AFL game at AO would have the reserves port v reserves eagles same round and ground

If it's a night game, reserves play the following day.

 

[kane249]

I think it can be absorbed if you schedule the reserves sides to play the first sides opponent

Ie port v eagles AFL game at AO would have the reserves port v reserves eagles same round and ground

If it's a night game, reserves play the following day.

Or play the reserves as the curtain raiser if it's a night game?

 

[masai tu]

Farming players out is an outdated model from 20 years ago, we would be the only club in the league to not have a reserves side if we did that.

There's too much at stake now with player development, having them spread around different clubs is archaic.

Ideally Perth Demons would have aligned with us, but they were happy being irrelevant since the 70s. A quote from one of their members was they would rather win 10 wooden spoons than align with the Eagles and win anything. The definition of cut your nose off to spite your face.

There we have the dilemma, how do you improve your “reserves” player’s ?.

Don’t want to go back to an “archaic” farming out system, want to align with a WAFL club that is steadfastly against it. Who is being stubborn ?.

We have the problem, Perth don’t want to be dominated (taken over ?), Eagles want what’s best for themselves. We have an impasse.

Not too sure who is cutting their nose off ?. Both equally as stubborn ?.

 

[kane249]

There we have the dilemma, how do you improve your “reserves” player’s ?.

Don’t want to go back to an “archaic” farming out system, want to align with a WAFL club that is steadfastly against it. Who is being stubborn ?.

We have the problem, Perth don’t want to be dominated (taken over ?), Eagles want what’s best for themselves. We have an impasse.

Not too sure who is cutting their nose off ?. Both equally as stubborn ?.

Farming out players doesn't get done by 17 other clubs including your own, ever stop to think why? It is an archaic system which doesn't work in the modern game for player development.

If it wasn't for Peel, you would have been in the same boat as us. Instead you gobbled up the one side with no identity and history and just bent them over to your will.

So you get the luxury of a full system, complete with reserves and colts to boost your side. You even get the bonus of playing your really green AFL players in the reserves to protect them.

Anyway will be interesting to see what happens moving forward. Current WAFL rules aren't working for the Eagles and could see them jump at an AFL reserves comp if given the option if things don't improve.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

There actually isn’t really a reason for it. The sum of the arguments tends to be “just cos”.

A national reserves comp isn’t fit for purpose when you consider what reserves football is actually for: experience for young players, match fitness for fringe players, a return route for injured players.

None of those things are enhanced by making the competition national. In fact, some are actually hurt by it. Injury rehab and return is a highly choreographed affair these days, as if you want your star having to flying across the country to play half a reserves game as part of his return strategy. Travel isn’t good for rehabbing athletes.

The only real argument would be a higher level of footy that would fast track development, but that’s highly debatable given how good the current state leagues are.

It just doesn’t make sense when you actually dig into it.