Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

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Continued From Part 4:

Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Next time call it a BLM protest and she'll be alright

We wore masks, socially distanced and there was zero cases reported the day before so entirely different.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Next time call it a BLM protest and she'll be alright

Too many nazis there today, no one would believe it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

There are 2 problems created by the internet
- it lets these idiots spread lies, and
- it makes it easy for them to find each other; pre-Internet, each of them would just have been the one-off local village idiot

Yes and once they're in it's like a family and then a cult.

 

[Kwality]

That's a fair point buddy. Given the impact these lockdowns have on all they are imposed on dont you think the health advice and the modelling used to make a range of assumptions should be released ?

What data would anyone use to model Covid of the delta variety? Its a guesstimate as is 70-80%.

 

[Kwality]

not sure if this link will work, but speaker talks in more detail re infections in vaccinated persons being more the immune compromised vaccinated patient rather than general population vaccinated

August 2021 - Breaking News August 19th: Booster Update - EM:RAP 2021 August 19th Breaking News: Booster Update | EM:RAP (emrap.org)

in case link doesn't work


accines in Immunocompromised data comes from a number of smallish studies

• About 2.7% of US population is considered immunocompromised - so we are talking 10 million people
• Anecdotal reports from ER’s across the country that immunosuppressed are getting sick with COVID
• One double blind trial on 120 organ transplant patients mean antibody, T cell and virus neutralization were significantly higher for those that got 3 doses of Moderna at 0,1,3 months compared to those that got 2
• 5 Cohort studies with a total of 112 patients noted seroconversion rates of only 33-50% with a 2 shot regime
• Admission data suggest a large % of vaccinated patients being admitted are the immunocompromised
• FDA now urges 3rd dose 28 days after the second

3rd Dose for Everyone

Joint statement by HHS Public Health and Medical Experts committee has suggested 3 doses for EVERYONE (currently ages > 12) 8 months after their last dose

• The statement doesn’t provide data
• Israel has given a 3rd dose to over 1 million people and reporting that with the 3rd dose receipts are 2.5 times more protected
• Israel HMA Maccabi reported the following: 149,144 people over 60 got a third dose
• Compared to 675,000 ish with just 2 doses
• A week later 37 infected in the 3 dose group 1064 in the 2 dose group
• 024% vs. 0.16% - 6 fold reduction

A large data set from Israel in pre-publication suggest that the chance of infection before and after 146 days - is higher the longer you where away from vaccination - but this was just infection not necessarily an important outcome itself

A CDC reported nursing home study also suggests warning immunity

• Cohort of nursing home patients followed before DELTA and after
• Suggested 74.7% reduction in infection pre-delta but only 53.1% post DELTA
• This could be from DELTA virulence and/or waning immunity

Note that these booster vaccinations are the SAME formulation as the original for now

MMWR reporting from New York

• May 3-July 25th
• Sustained excellent coverage from vaccination
• Possible slowly waning protection toward the end of this time frame, but was that the vaccine or other social factors like less masking and more interacting

Transmission post vaccine

Euro Surveill > 250,000 patients vaccine efficacy study to reduce transmission for close household contacts

• 71% - 75% reduction in getting the disease if vaccinated
• This was ALPHA variant
• Probably much higher with mRNA (this was a study of mostly non-mRNA vaccines)
• This is kind of the worst case scenario - lots of exposure and reexposure. Vaccines protect YOU and those around you

Natural Immunity not very good

MMWR Reinfection post vaccination - noted patients with prior infection and NO vaccination had significantly higher rate of reinfection than those vaccinated (2x) more likely

References:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.03.21261496v1

MMWR: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.31.2100640

Medical Letter August 18th 2021

VG Hall et al. Randomized trial of a third dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine in transplant recipients. N Engl J Med 2021 August 11 (epub).

HHS:https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021...d-medical-experts-covid-19-booster-shots.html

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm?s_cid=mm7034e3_w

Analysis paralysis?

 

[Sttew]

I reckon there is some truth in this

 

[11kgm]

We wore masks, socially distanced and there was zero cases reported the day before so entirely different.

Set's precedent you can protest some bloke in America, but can't protest all the small businesses and suicides caused by lockdowns

Makes sense really

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Set's precedent you can protest some bloke in America, but can't protest all the small businesses and suicides caused by lockdowns

Makes sense really

This false equivalence you are trying to project is pathetic

 

[Millky95]

Set's precedent you can protest some bloke in America, but can't protest all the small businesses and suicides caused by lockdowns

Makes sense really

No one should be protesting anything in a pandemic

Stay the **** home

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Set's precedent you can protest some bloke in America, but can't protest all the small businesses and suicides caused by lockdowns

Makes sense really

It was about deaths in custody and institutionalised racism.
You're over simplifying every point to suit your far right agenda.
This protest makes lockdowns longer so is much worse for small business's.
Both your points were wrong.

 

[11kgm]

No one should be protesting anything in a pandemic

Stay the fu** home

Bingo, but when the left does it no one blinks when the right does it everyone loses their shits

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Bingo, but when the left does it no one blinks when the right does it everyone loses their shits

Why is BLM a left issue? Are you saying that all the racists are on the right?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

It's so incredibly frustrating to watch our chance at resuming life in September ruined by these visibly unemployed morons barrelling around the CBD of Melbourne right now. A startling number of them appear to be overweight or obese too.

 

[Romeoh1]

Next time call it a BLM protest and she'll be alright

I’d prefer to call it the ‘Grow a brain’ protest actually!

 

[Steele13]

this is what will be expected going forwards. people will be expected to use sick leave and carer leave. Jobs that don't provide this type of leave will only be taken up by the desperate/ vulnerable

People, as in adults that's fine. My 18 month old has had a cold/cough all winter. I'm not just going to stay home all that time because she can't go to childcare

 

[Nikita Blue]

Couldn’t be dumber- do they genuinely not get the equation here?

I think equations might be beyond their capabilities.

 

[Bazzar]

Most of last years deaths were in aged care, fortunately, this year we have a vaccine and all those residents that wanted to be vaccinated have been. Also, it was the staff bringing it in and a great number of those have been vaccinated as well.

We have taken care of the vulnerable, so why are the rest of the states population being punished?

 

[Romeoh1]

I think equations might be beyond their capabilities.

Yep, more’s the pity.

 

[Dwhale44]

Theres one planned today in the CBD

probably because there's about 10 million people hanging out along the foreshore

 

[Nikita Blue]

Set's precedent you can protest some bloke in America, but can't protest all the small businesses and suicides caused by lockdowns

Makes sense really

So the protesters care so much about the negative effects of lockdowns that they do the very thing that is going to extend lockdown

 

[chunkylover53]

All powerful nwo so powerful that they have successfully been pulling the strings and fooling us been found out by a bunch of neckbeards on 4chan

So powerful, that they have invented a vaccine that will kill all the compliant people on earth.

They want to control the entire population, so they'll kill everyone who does what they're told and be left with non-compliant people. That'll give them control. Geniuses!

 

[Crankyhawk]

Analysis paralysis?

Come again?

 

[Muddiemoose]

So powerful, that they have invented a vaccine that will kill all the compliant people on earth.

They want to control the entire population, so they'll kill everyone who does what they're told and be left with non-compliant people. That'll give them control. Geniuses!

All the people who they actually need to keep them in power by working for them for minimal pay and buying the products the companies they have interests on and farming and producing the food they eat

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Analysis paralysis?

Analogy of constipation?

 

[Crankyhawk]

People, as in adults that's fine. My 18 month old has had a cold/cough all winter. I'm not just going to stay home all that time because she can't go to childcare

Good luck finding a place to take her.
We had to not send our kids when sick back in the day. Before schools got shut they were sending home kids with cough.