Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 6

[Sttew]

I see the pathetic alternative too. Doesn’t mean I want my nose up DAs ass.

Here’s a newflash, we are CURRENTLY LETTING IT RIP. And have done so for months.

Others let it rip - bad.
Andrew’s let it rip - good.

It shits me that rusted on leftists cannot see the wood for the trees. Dan has embraced "let it rip" like he has won Tattslotto

 

[adogsfan5]

It shits me that rusted on leftists cannot see the wood for the trees. Dan has embraced "let it rip" like he has won Tattslotto

“Let it rip” is only criticised and selfish when it’s not related to Andrews.

 

[Sttew]

The reasoning behind the mask rules for older primary kids is sound,

The reasoning is sound?

James Cook University professor of infectious diseases modelling Emma McBryde said she “can see no genuine reason” for keeping the mandate in place for that age group. “It’s a silly measure to keep a small cohort of young children wearing masks. It almost feels as though they can’t let go of control. To me, there’s no genuine rationale of it.“

Infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon said, “The biggest spreading events come from bars, pubs and clubs but they don’t wear masks. It’s good news that younger children are now exempt (from masks) but it really should be all primary school children.”

 

[kalex6251]

we can all play the game of picking and choosing academics that suit our world view

what does nancy baxter have to say on masks ..... why ignore her considered analysis .... is she too 'left' for you righties

 

[adogsfan5]

we can all play the game of picking and choosing academics that suit our world view

what does nancy baxter have to say on masks ..... why ignore her considered analysis .... is she too 'left' for you righties

The same sh** for 2 years. Inconsistent reporting and messaging. How can some experts claim they are useful and then some claim they are useless?

May as well toss a coin.

 

[Crankyhawk]

It shits me that rusted on leftists cannot see the wood for the trees. Dan has embraced "let it rip" like he has won Tattslotto

Who will they complain to though? And at least it is happening in vaccinated population so deaths run at roughly 0.2% rather than 1-2%

 

[Crankyhawk]

The reasoning is sound?

James Cook University professor of infectious diseases modelling Emma McBryde said she “can see no genuine reason” for keeping the mandate in place for that age group. “It’s a silly measure to keep a small cohort of young children wearing masks. It almost feels as though they can’t let go of control. To me, there’s no genuine rationale of it.“

Infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon said, “The biggest spreading events come from bars, pubs and clubs but they don’t wear masks. It’s good news that younger children are now exempt (from masks) but it really should be all primary school children.”

That ignores that day care was many of the spreading events during lockdown 4 (the may 2021) we don’t have any other approximation for young kids at school who are at best partially vaccinated (granted that was either alpha or delta)

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

“Let it rip” is only criticised and selfish when it’s not related to Andrews.

Do yourself a favour and read more widely. Particularly infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists.

Eg

 

[adogsfan5]

Do yourself a favour and read more widely. Particularly infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists.

Eg

You missed my point. Some people on here didn’t want to let it rip, hated on the “let it rippers”…

Dan Andrews let’s it rip, and those same people never said a thing to criticise. In fact, some still went on a rant about the liberals wanting to let it rip.

It’s actually hilarious.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

You missed my point. Some people didn’t want to let it rip, hated on the “let it rippers”…

Dan Andrews let’s it rip, and those same people don’t say anything. It’s hilarious.

Well, has he let it rip? Boris has but as far as I know we still have restrictions. That said, I do think he's bowed to pressure and gone too far too soon and to that extent I'm disappointed.

 

[adogsfan5]

Well, has he let it rip? Boris has but as far as I know we still have restrictions. That said, I do think he's bowed to pressure and gone too far too soon and to that extent I'm disappointed.

Cmon mate, he has. And he had to at those vaccination rates.
How has he not? Covid is everywhere.

We are a bees di** away from removing isolation periods for asymptomatic people, even if close contacts, in order to get workforces back going again. I think that’ll come in to affect next week.

We’ll be close to the UK in the coming weeks.

Letting it rip was scoffed at at one point, seen as wanting “grandma dead”, DA joins the party and nobody mentions it. Suddenly the phrase isn’t mentioned anymore. Wonder why that is?

Watch WA join in shortly. The McGowan lovers who keep bringing up let it rip and how bad the east are, are about to be very silent.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

Cmon mate, he has. And he had to at those vaccination rates.
How has he not? Covid is everywhere.

We are a bees di** away from removing isolation periods for asymptomatic people, even if close contacts, in order to get workforces back going again. I think that’ll come in to affect next week.

We’ll be close to the UK in the coming weeks.

Letting it rip was scoffed at at one point, seen as wanting “grandma dead”, DA joins the party and nobody mentions it. Suddenly the phrase isn’t mentioned anymore. Wonder why that is?

Watch WA join in shortly. The McGowan lovers who keep bringing up let it rip and how bad the east are, are about to be very silent.

Letting it rip by definition is removing all the restrictions. At least all the key ones. Ask the retail workers who are still to wear masks - as they should - whether that constitutes letting it rip. Not to mention students and teachers at primary schools. Indoor event workers. Third dose restrictions for workers etc, etc.

As I suggested he's eased the rules too soon but let it rip. Nah.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Letting it rip by definition is removing all the restrictions. At least all the key ones. Ask the retail workers who are still to wear masks - as they should - whether that constitutes letting it rip. Not to mention students and teachers at primary schools. Indoor event workers. Third dose restrictions for workers etc, etc.

As I suggested he's eased the rules too soon but let it rip. Nah.

it is likely that those restrictions will also go in the next 1-2 months as well imo

 

[BarryMorgan]

Uncle Rupert is getting desperate - the world is on the brink of war, yet the top six stories on the Hun’s website are all anti-Andrews.

 

[FIGJAM]

Uncle Rupert is getting desperate - the world is on the brink of war, yet the top six stories on the Hun’s website are all anti-Andrews.

C'mon mate! You left out the critical retro-news hot topic of today:

 

[BarryMorgan]

C'mon mate! You left out the critical retro-news hot topic of today:

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Also far more important than the potential for Europe to descend into its largest armed conflict since World War II.

 

[Sttew]

That ignores that day care was many of the spreading events during lockdown 4 (the may 2021) we don’t have any other approximation for young kids at school who are at best partially vaccinated (granted that was either alpha or delta)

And cafes and pubs were super spreaders too, IIRC.

Nowhere else in Australia are primary school kids required to wear masks. This has the hallmarks of the playground closure edict, and is more a reflection of the state government’s failure to have young primary school students vaccinated than anything else.

As a matter of interest does anyone know what percentage of grades 4-6 students are double vaccinated?

 

[The Punter]

Andrews said yesterday that Victoria is about to move to "literally no rules".

This pedantry on "let it rip" is tiring and unhelpful. Most places are now close to moving on and coming as close to possible to "living with the virus". It's very possible we've reached the limit of what governments can do to drive down cases without "Wuhan-style" solutions like welding people into their houses.

 

[Sttew]

Letting it rip by definition is removing all the restrictions. At least all the key ones. Ask the retail workers who are still to wear masks - as they should - whether that constitutes letting it rip. Not to mention students and teachers at primary schools. Indoor event workers. Third dose restrictions for workers etc, etc.

As I suggested he's eased the rules too soon but let it rip. Nah.

Letting Covid rip simply means allowing the virus to circulate in the community. I haven’t seen any conditional definition

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

The reasoning is sound?

James Cook University professor of infectious diseases modelling Emma McBryde said she “can see no genuine reason” for keeping the mandate in place for that age group. “It’s a silly measure to keep a small cohort of young children wearing masks. It almost feels as though they can’t let go of control. To me, there’s no genuine rationale of it.“

Infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon said, “The biggest spreading events come from bars, pubs and clubs but they don’t wear masks. It’s good news that younger children are now exempt (from masks) but it really should be all primary school children.”

Oh, go away mate. Seriously.

You'd likely find a way to bash Andrews if masks were removed from these kids too. So you found two academics to back your view. So what? Plenty more don't. Masks remain for upper primary kids because their vaccination rates are very low. They removed the requirement for younger kids because it is impossible to get them to comply anyway. Any idiot should be able to understand this. First you queried the so called "arbitrary" nature of the year 3 cutoff. And plenty explained the reasoning to you, as I have. You didn't like it so you actually changed course and created this whole new argument (which actually is just your overarching view anyway), proving yet again the disingenuous nature of your posting. You should have just said "masks aren't necessary" and walked away. But here we are. Again.

We all see you.

 

[Sttew]

Oh, go away mate. Seriously.

Seriously, You go away if you don’t like the topic or the line. Yes I hate Andrews and think he is a sociopath. You hate Scomo with a passion. What’s the difference? This thread is about Andrews.

Back to your post you made the comment thatDan’s decision was sound. It is far from it.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Seriously, You go away if you don’t like the topic or the line. Yes I hate Andrews and think he is a sociopath. You hate Scomo with a passion. What’s the difference? This thread is about Andrews.

Back to your post you made the comment thatDan’s decision was sound. It is far from it.

According to the two academics you found to agree with you.

Had Andrews removed masks for those kids you would have criticised that too.

As I said, we all see you.

 

[Sttew]

According to the two academics you found to agree with you.

Had Andrews removed masks for those kids you would have criticised that too.

As I said, we all see you.

Great, so you all see me. What am I meant to do with that?

Tell me, why is it that it is only in Victoria that primary school kids from Gr 3 to 6, or for that matter, any primary school student, must still wear face masks? Why is it that you and most other left leaning posters on this board don't critically challenge anything this government says or does? Dan says he can't argue with what Brett Sutton has recommended, yet since late last year that is exactly what has happened. The government decides what happens not the CHO, unless it doesn't suit.

But, I get it, you all see me. I'll move on from this topic now...

 

[Millky95]

Personally, probably gonna keep my mask on for most occasions until after winter at least

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Great, so you all see me. What am I meant to do with that?

Tell me, why is it that it is only in Victoria that primary school kids from Gr 3 to 6, or for that matter, any primary school student, must still wear face masks? Why is it that you and most other left leaning posters on this board don't critically challenge anything this government says or does? Dan says he can't argue with what Brett Sutton has recommended, yet since late last year that is exactly what has happened. The government decides what happens not the CHO, unless it doesn't suit.

But, I get it, you all see me. I'll move on from this topic now...

You asked why the cutoff was year 3. In fact, you claimed that decision was possibly of an arbitrary nature. The reasoning was provided that proved that it wasn't arbitrary at all.

That is entirely different to the argument as to whether masks are needed for any kids. You went from one argument to another argument and conflated the two.

Personally I do not think that masks are especially necessary for kids. But the reasoning (for those who think masks are still somewhat necessary) behind making it for years 3-6 is logical based on vaccination data and the fact that little kids won't comply.

See...two different arguments that you have conflated into one. That is my issue with this line of discussion. Had you just said that you don't think masks are necessary for kids then that can't even be queried along partisan lines. I vote Labor and I don't think they are necessary. But you disingenuously went from querying whether the decision on age cutoff was arbitrary and didn't like it when the reasons were pointed out. Do you really think that Andrews, Foley, Sutton and co all took a set against kids of a certain age? Of course they didn't. That would have been arbitrary. They used whatever data they had, whether you agree with it or not.

FYI - arbitrary means random in nature. You are literally suggesting that the Victorian Government just threw one at the dartboard and decided to mask up kids in years 3 to 6 for no reason at all.