Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[eddiesmith]

Is there some sort of legal compulsion for Victorian officials following the lead of Commonwealth officials? The press have demanded much from Daniel Andrews that he has had the political strength to resist - why not this?

He's either a strong leader (for which you give him credit for) or he's a weathervane easily led by outside forces. Not one of the other when it suits your rhetorical objectives.

For the entire pandemic Victoria did it’s own thing and now they want to claim Victoria has to follow the national strategy?

 

[Not Important]

I think People who want to isolate are still isolating. If Dan did a presser and mandated isolation, it would make no difference. Someone isn’t going to then decide to start isolating because Dan told them so.

Purely doing PCR tests, making someone isolate for 5 days and then actually monitoring those who are at home who are positive for 5 days - do you really want to go back to this process?

I won’t go into mandating of the vaccine. The messaging around the world around the vaccine is laughable and inconsistent. Look at where the UK is heading.

you need 2 get out more, dogsie, and have a good hard look at yourself re human nature. particularly among your righty m8s.

also, read and pay attention to what those in a position to know say and write.

 

[Dave]

Probably a good idea not to force people back into CBD for work using public transport for the most part as well.

Tell that to my company's CEO. They've just mandated a return to the office a minimum of three days a week, no exceptions.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Which of those are we currently not doing?

the masks (Outside of health care settings)
the isolation if positive (in that there are many who simply no longer care to test or if aware positive but feel ok - like have a mild sniffle - would go out in public)

 

[Crankyhawk]

you need 2 get out more, dogsie, and have a good hard look at yourself re human nature. particularly among your righty m8s.

also, read and pay attention to what those in a position to know say and write.

though perhaps we are testing more, certainly theres routine testing inside health care (unknown if the other countries do this)

 

[Not Important]

Tell that to my company's CEO. They've just mandated a return to the office a minimum of three days a week, no exceptions.

don't they have 2 give u a choice? my accountant suggested 2 me he had 2 4 his staff. only 1 chose 2 work from home most days.

 

[Dave]

don't they have 2 give u a choice? my accountant suggested 2 me he had 2 4 his staff. only 1 chose 2 work from home most days.

They don't seem to think so. They're in for a rude shock.

 

[Not Important]

though perhaps we are testing more, certainly theres routine testing inside health care (unknown if the other countries do this)

you're at the coalface, but my experience is most peeps take the line of least resistance. and as the mainstream media is giving scant attention 2 the matter r ignorant. and the use of antigen tests is honoured more in the breach than the observance. most don't have any in my experience.

a friend told me he had a birthday 4 his daughter last weekend. one peep felt "a little poorly" but turned up. three attendees subsequently got covid as she had it but didn't test.

bc the mainstream media is paying little attention 2 the issue, most r wilfully ignorant.

 

[adogsfan5]

you need 2 get out more, dogsie, and have a good hard look at yourself re human nature. particularly among your righty m8s.

also, read and pay attention to what those in a position to know say and write.

Tigesie, there are also people in the exact same line of expertise who are saying the opposite to what Baxter and Crabb tweet about. So please don’t tell me to pay attention to those in position. The difference is, you choose Baxter and Crabb and I choose others who are perhaps less conservative.
Doesn’t mean either of us are wrong, but please don’t discount or discredit other disease professionals or insult me and who I view in the process.

There are immunologists who are concerned right now and there are immunologists who are not. It’s human nature to follow those who share similar views to you and that’s exactly what we are both doing here, so please don’t attempt to belittle me with where I get my info from.

 

[adogsfan5]

the masks (Outside of health care settings)
the isolation if positive (in that there are many who simply no longer care to test or if aware positive but feel ok - like have a mild sniffle - would go out in public)

But what’s the government going to do Cranks? Do a presser and bring back mandated iso? Will the people who are currently not isolating decide to change their mind and now do it?

Hence I asked - do we want to only do traceable PCRs, bring back forced iso / do checks for people isolating at home?

 

[Crankyhawk]

But what’s the government going to do Cranks? Do a presser and bring back mandated iso? Will the people who are currently not isolating decide to change their mind and now do it?

Hence I asked - do we want to only do traceable PCRs, bring back forced iso / do checks for people isolating at home?

Ah, now thats a different question to what I was replying to.
No capacity to do traceable PCR or RAT - though perhaps some financial incentive to report RAT if positive (with a timestamped picture) via mygov app (though can see how it could be misused - so you'd need some form of automatic compliance check to disregard multiple positives within 28 days, and make the sum of money small - like 10 - 20 dollars) but this still wouldn't encourage people to isolate while symptomatic. And I don't think we have the money for restarting covid support (well, probably call it infectious disease support payments - i mean i'd be just as concerned that someone with active diarrhoea is turning up to work...)

public education campaigns (along the slip slop slap lines) to encourage mask wearing in indoor public areas probably woudl represent reasonable cost effectiveness (as in "some dimwit out there might have covid and doesn't care, but you can do what you can to not get sick")

one of the population based weaknesses is a failure to understand probability - so the average person doesn't see that their risk of getting sick/ getting hospitalised has reduced if the mask/ vaccinate because all they see is their own binary out come (ie did I get sick or did I not get sick)

 

[Crankyhawk]

you're at the coalface, but my experience is most peeps take the line of least resistance. and as the mainstream media is giving scant attention 2 the matter r ignorant. and the use of antigen tests is honoured more in the breach than the observance. most don't have any in my experience.

a friend told me he had a birthday 4 his daughter last weekend. one peep felt "a little poorly" but turned up. three attendees subsequently got covid as she had it but didn't test.

bc the mainstream media is paying little attention 2 the issue, most r wilfully ignorant.

I'm not sure its wilful ignorance of the media as the lack of commercial driver (no money in covid stories now, no clicks) - sadly commerce drives most of the media organisations.

And I pretty much take least resistance too, in public I generally am not masking - I'm reliant on vaccination + ongoing low level viral stimulation (though my oldest son still chooses to mask). But I wouldn't go out if I felt sick.

 

[adogsfan5]

Ah, now thats a different question to what I was replying to.
No capacity to do traceable PCR or RAT - though perhaps some financial incentive to report RAT if positive (with a timestamped picture) via mygov app (though can see how it could be misused - so you'd need some form of automatic compliance check to disregard multiple positives within 28 days, and make the sum of money small - like 10 - 20 dollars) but this still wouldn't encourage people to isolate while symptomatic. And I don't think we have the money for restarting covid support (well, probably call it infectious disease support payments - i mean i'd be just as concerned that someone with active diarrhoea is turning up to work...)

public education campaigns (along the slip slop slap lines) to encourage mask wearing in indoor public areas probably woudl represent reasonable cost effectiveness (as in "some dimwit out there might have covid and doesn't care, but you can do what you can to not get sick")

one of the population based weaknesses is a failure to understand probability - so the average person doesn't see that their risk of getting sick/ getting hospitalised has reduced if the mask/ vaccinate because all they see is their own binary out come (ie did I get sick or did I not get sick)

This has been my main point. People are upset at the government, but what do you want them to actually do?

Mandating isolation keeps getting raised that can be brought back in, but is it going to actually do much with RAT tests etc? Will people who aren’t isolating all of a sudden decide to start doing it because Dan said so?

Did they fu** up by removing the mandate in the first place perhaps?

The only difference I can see is with PCR testing and covid payments and I think those days are well and truely done.

Education on masks seems to be the #1.

 

[hawkman]

This has been my main point. People are upset at the government, but what do you want them to actually do?

Mandating isolation keeps getting raised that can be brought back in, but is it going to actually do much with RAT tests etc? Will people who aren’t isolating all of a sudden decide to start doing it because Dan said so?

Did they fu** up by removing the mandate in the first place perhaps?

The only difference I can see is with PCR testing and covid payments and I think those days are well and truely done.

Education on masks seems to be the #1.

They could actually mention it as still an issue and give advice on precautions to take. Maybe some ads advising people not to get to relaxed about it.
The only time Covid is brought up now is when it is in response to ambulance wait times or issues with hospital staffing

 

[adogsfan5]

They could actually mention it as still an issue and give advice on precautions to take. Maybe some ads advising people not to get to relaxed about it.
The only time Covid is brought up now is when it is in response to ambulance wait times or issues with hospital staffing

Absolutely. There should be a huge amount of education on everything, everyday. And it’s something I’ve been calling for for years.
But wanting the government to keep stepping in and holding everyone’s hand is becoming ridiculous.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

don't they have 2 give u a choice? my accountant suggested 2 me he had 2 4 his staff. only 1 chose 2 work from home most days.

No they do not.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

This has been my main point. People are upset at the government, but what do you want them to actually do?

Mandating isolation keeps getting raised that can be brought back in, but is it going to actually do much with RAT tests etc? Will people who aren’t isolating all of a sudden decide to start doing it because Dan said so?

Did they fu** up by removing the mandate in the first place perhaps?

The only difference I can see is with PCR testing and covid payments and I think those days are well and truely done.

Education on masks seems to be the #1.

They could bring back isolation for positive cases, most people now won't bother even testing because what's the point? I don't have to isolate anyway.

 

[adogsfan5]

They could bring back isolation for positive cases, most people now won't bother even testing because what's the point? I don't have to isolate anyway.

If they want to do that then by all means. If they are going to make people stay home with a runny nose who are positive, who don’t have sick leave / are self-employed, I hope they are prepared to bring out more government payments. A lot of people are up shit creek financially at the moment, they aren’t staying home for 5 days with no pay. That’s just reality.

 

[peetoo]

So how is Victoria going in comparison? We hear other states are business as usual and it’s melburnians who are reluctant to attend workplaces etc

Does that translate to lower covid figures?

 

[adogsfan5]

So how is Victoria going in comparison? We hear other states are business as usual and it’s melburnians who are reluctant to attend workplaces etc

Does that translate to lower covid figures?

7 day case averages (as at 2/2/23):

Vic- 487
WA- 388
NSW - 1092
QLD - 679
SA- 204

 

[Saint]

COVID is a bit like obesity epidemic now, isn't it?

Everyone puts it in the too hard basket, the preventative measures seem a bit too hard to undertake, especially for those of low-socioeconomic status.

SO then telling them to isolate and what they should do sounds wrong. We don't fat shame, so we don't mask shame.

Doctors have been saying for years how bad sugar is, but we keep stuffing it in our faces, willfully ignorant indeed.

Waiting for the Govt to do something is going to result in a long wait.

 

[Crankyhawk]

COVID is a bit like obesity epidemic now, isn't it?

Everyone puts it in the too hard basket, the preventative measures seem a bit too hard to undertake, especially for those of low-socioeconomic status.

SO then telling them to isolate and what they should do sounds wrong. We don't fat shame, so we don't mask shame.

Doctors have been saying for years how bad sugar is, but we keep stuffing it in our faces, willfully ignorant indeed.

Waiting for the Govt to do something is going to result in a long wait.

I suppose we can mask "praise" though, unlike fat shaming the reverse (thin praising) is problematic with eating disorders etc, while I can't see a down side to mask praising.

 

[burge13]

COVID is a bit like obesity epidemic now, isn't it?

Everyone puts it in the too hard basket, the preventative measures seem a bit too hard to undertake, especially for those of low-socioeconomic status.

SO then telling them to isolate and what they should do sounds wrong. We don't fat shame, so we don't mask shame.

Doctors have been saying for years how bad sugar is, but we keep stuffing it in our faces, willfully ignorant indeed.

Waiting for the Govt to do something is going to result in a long wait.

Long, long list of people needing to learn accountability and to look after themselves rather than always looking to daddy government who are every bit as stupid as the populous who voted them...

 

[FRUMPY]

don't they have 2 give u a choice? my accountant suggested 2 me he had 2 4 his staff. only 1 chose 2 work from home most days.

**** me that's hard to read.

What did you do with all your extra time using numbers instead of words?

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[Demonic Ascent]

Long, long list of people needing to learn accountability and to look after themselves rather than always looking to daddy government who are every bit as stupid as the populous who voted them...

The problem is you're effectively asking people who may be high risk to isolate for the rest of their lives because others won't test and isolate if they cop it. It's not so much accountability for yourself it's the other people around that you have no control over when it comes to something as insidious as a virus.