Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Kwality]

So what’s your proposal then? Or you just gonna complain about any suggestions?

I look at the Hewson tax changes as the only genuine attempt at tax reform & it was comprehensive even if easy to attack on the detail.

I supported the thrust of the ALP initiative on dividend imputation that failed because it was poorly drafted & easily marginalised politically as 'tax the rich'. Naive at best, & indicative of how well thought through tax reform MUST be. I was disappointed that it was dumped, not simply professionally redrafted by tax professionals, not the political ideologues responsible for the failure of the original policy. Yes I know, political reality is dump it.

Another example is the use of trusts as tax minimisation tool - fiddling around the edges of the legislation is not a recipe for success.

Kerry Packers words should be a informative for the next serious attempt to address tax reform REAL tax reform:
Media magnate defended paying as little tax as possible at a 1991 Senate Inquiry
'I am not evading tax in any way shape or form,' said the publishing tycoon as he famously bristled at the questioning.
'Now, of course, I am minimising my tax.
'And if anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want they their head read.

'Because, as a government, I can tell you, you're not spending it that well that we should be donating extra.'

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I look at the Hewson tax changes as the only genuine attempt at tax reform & it was comprehensive even if easy to attack on the detail.

I supported the thrust of the ALP initiative on dividend imputation that failed because it was poorly drafted & easily marginalised politically as 'tax the rich'. Naive at best, & indicative of how well thought through tax reform MUST be. I was disappointed that it was dumped, not simply professionally redrafted by tax professionals, not the political ideologues responsible for the failure of the original policy. Yes I know, political reality is dump it.

Another example is the use of trusts as tax minimisation tool - fiddling around the edges of the legislation is not a recipe for success.

Kerry Packers words should be a informative for the next serious attempt to address tax reform REAL tax reform:
Media magnate defended paying as little tax as possible at a 1991 Senate Inquiry
'I am not evading tax in any way shape or form,' said the publishing tycoon as he famously bristled at the questioning.
'Now, of course, I am minimising my tax.
'And if anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want they their head read.

'Because, as a government, I can tell you, you're not spending it that well that we should be donating extra.'

First Murdoch, now Packer.

You really love these media barons, don't you?

 

[Kwality]

I look at the Hewson tax changes as the only genuine attempt at tax reform & it was comprehensive even if easy to attack on the detail.

I supported the thrust of the ALP initiative on dividend imputation that failed because it was poorly drafted & easily marginalised politically as 'tax the rich'. Naive at best, & indicative of how well thought through tax reform MUST be. I was disappointed that it was dumped, not simply professionally redrafted by tax professionals, not the political ideologues responsible for the failure of the original policy. Yes I know, political reality is dump it.

Another example is the use of trusts as tax minimisation tool - fiddling around the edges of the legislation is not a recipe for success.

Kerry Packers words should be a informative for the next serious attempt to address tax reform REAL tax reform:
Media magnate defended paying as little tax as possible at a 1991 Senate Inquiry
'I am not evading tax in any way shape or form,' said the publishing tycoon as he famously bristled at the questioning.
'Now, of course, I am minimising my tax.
'And if anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want they their head read.

'Because, as a government, I can tell you, you're not spending it that well that we should be donating extra.'

First Murdoch, now Packer.

You really love these media barons, don't you?

Tax reform above your pay grade ?

 

[Navyblues09]

Yeah i missed the date on it, my bad

All good, the updated website is a lot worse for trying to find dates of news articles.

 

[Gralin]

All good, the updated website is a lot worse for trying to find dates of news articles.

Yeah i had to go to Twitter to see when they posted it

 

[Kram]

First Murdoch, now Packer.

You really love these media barons, don't you?

One day I really must start a "The Cult of Murhhduuuurchh!!!" thread

 

[Big Bryza]

Why do I think Murdoch rags attack Andrews? Same reason they praise Perrottet

It suits their agenda

Because he's a piece of shit?

 

[Gralin]

Because he's a piece of sh*t?

But they dont attack the liberal pieces of shit

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

Good to see this State/Commonwealth co-operation. For too long Shonky and his predecessors have ripped funds from research.

Welcome to the mRNA revolution

A University of Melbourne startup has built an mRNA platform that Australian scientists can use to accelerate their research, going beyond the COVID-19 vaccine.

pursuit.unimelb.edu.au

 

[JW2468]

But they dont attack the liberal pieces of sh*t

They leave that to rags like The Guardian I guess.

 

[Ross]

Just catching up on some of the posts from last Tuesday when the mask mandates (mostly) ended. It's very reasonable to ask why we had to wait three days for the mandates to end, some of those in this thread were no doubt only asking that in bad faith since every other state is doing the same thing but when mask mandates are scrapped they should come into place immediately. Just make it very clear that any police fines that come from overzealous cops who weren't aware of the new rules will be thrown out, the rest will just sort itself out since it takes no preparation to take a mask off and only the very weirdest of hypochondriacs actually want to wear them. Removing caps on attendance and density limits I can justify not being put into place immediately, a lot of these places wouldn't be adequately staffed to deal with a sudden increase in people and workers should be entitled to receive adequate notice when being allocated shifts.

I also think it's fair to want to know what the timelines are with anti-viral pills, it seems like they're the next (and hopefully last) big step into reducing COVID into nothing more than a minor illness. Vaccines and medicine are the way out of COVID, barring a drastic unexpected change mandates on masks and restrictions and lockdowns should be a thing of the past

 

[adogsfan5]

Just catching up on some of the posts from last Tuesday when the mask mandates (mostly) ended. It's very reasonable to ask why we had to wait three days for the mandates to end, some of those in this thread were no doubt only asking that in bad faith since every other state is doing the same thing but when mask mandates are scrapped they should come into place immediately. Just make it very clear that any police fines that come from overzealous cops who weren't aware of the new rules will be thrown out, the rest will just sort itself out since it takes no preparation to take a mask off and only the very weirdest of hypochondriacs actually want to wear them. Removing caps on attendance and density limits I can justify not being put into place immediately, a lot of these places wouldn't be adequately staffed to deal with a sudden increase in people and workers should be entitled to receive adequate notice when being allocated shifts.

I also think it's fair to want to know what the timelines are with anti-viral pills, it seems like they're the next (and hopefully last) big step into reducing COVID into nothing more than a minor illness. Vaccines and medicine are the way out of COVID, barring a drastic unexpected change mandates on masks and restrictions and lockdowns should be a thing of the past

Thanks Ross the boss!

 

[Ross]

Just adding that the only major issue Australia had with the Omicron wave last month was the impact it had on our supply chains in supermarkets and other retailers, and that problem was entirely self-inflicted. The close contact rules every state had prevented thousands of healthy and vaccinated people from being able to work, and it could have been so much worse if the rules weren't changed to limit close contacts to those only living in the same house and then went further and allowed/forced them to work in shitty conditions.

The next step I feel is to scrap close contact isolation while providing rapid tests to all household members that last a week, only require them for things like hospital and aged care visits and recommend them before going to a pub or restaurant with your mates. I'm generally pretty cautionary and we're heading into winter soon so I wouldn't yet go as far as England has and have zero rules even if you have COVID but I think we'd hold up just fine if we went down the same path.

 

[adogsfan5]

Just adding that the only major issue Australia had with the Omicron wave last month was the impact it had on our supply chains in supermarkets and other retailers, and that problem was entirely self-inflicted. The close contact rules every state had prevented thousands of healthy and vaccinated people from being able to work, and it could have been so much worse if the rules weren't changed to limit close contacts to those only living in the same house and then went further and allowed/forced them to work in shitty conditions.

The next step I feel is to scrap close contact isolation while providing rapid tests to all household members that last a week, only require them for things like hospital and aged care visits and recommend them before going to a pub or restaurant with your mates. I'm generally pretty cautionary and we're heading into winter soon so I wouldn't yet go as far as England has and have zero rules even if you have COVID but I think we'd hold up just fine if we went down the same path.

Scrapping isolation for asymptomatic people (even when living with a positive person) is close to being ticked off. Which is good news!

 

[Roogene]

I rate him as a dead man walking. I would not want to be wearing a red shirt come November election. Its not going to be pleasant for the Dannites. Lot of anger out there just waiting to come to the surface. People hate him with a passion. Its quite amazing, once you get round that they are not a stand by Dan person, it all comes out.

 

[Evolved1]

Just adding that the only major issue Australia had with the Omicron wave last month was the impact it had on our supply chains in supermarkets and other retailers, and that problem was entirely self-inflicted. The close contact rules every state had prevented thousands of healthy and vaccinated people from being able to work, and it could have been so much worse if the rules weren't changed to limit close contacts to those only living in the same house and then went further and allowed/forced them to work in shitty conditions.

The next step I feel is to scrap close contact isolation while providing rapid tests to all household members that last a week, only require them for things like hospital and aged care visits and recommend them before going to a pub or restaurant with your mates. I'm generally pretty cautionary and we're heading into winter soon so I wouldn't yet go as far as England has and have zero rules even if you have COVID but I think we'd hold up just fine if we went down the same path.

RAT's are superfluous for those without symptoms. It's reasonable to call it wastage, and same goes for those wearing disposable masks. I doubt the environmental impact justifies the saved lives.

Policy should be uniform for close contacts. My wife was able to attend her workplace after my kid tested positive, while I had to wfh.

I see no justification for any rules, though am happy to change my mind if anyone can provide stats or scientific justification.

 

[adogsfan5]

RAT's are superfluous for those without symptoms. It's reasonable to call it wastage, and same goes for those wearing disposable masks. I doubt the environmental impact justifies the saved lives.

Policy should be uniform for close contacts. My wife was able to attend her workplace after my kid tested positive, while I had to wfh.

I see no justification for any rules, though am happy to change my mind if anyone can provide stats or scientific justification.

Can’t wait for the pollution debate/climate change issues re masks to flow on next.

 

[Evolved1]

Can’t wait for the pollution debate/climate change issues re masks to flow on next.

I can't wait to see the left blame it on Murdoch.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Just adding that the only major issue Australia had with the Omicron wave last month was the impact it had on our supply chains in supermarkets and other retailers, and that problem was entirely self-inflicted. The close contact rules every state had prevented thousands of healthy and vaccinated people from being able to work, and it could have been so much worse if the rules weren't changed to limit close contacts to those only living in the same house and then went further and allowed/forced them to work in shitty conditions.

The next step I feel is to scrap close contact isolation while providing rapid tests to all household members that last a week, only require them for things like hospital and aged care visits and recommend them before going to a pub or restaurant with your mates. I'm generally pretty cautionary and we're heading into winter soon so I wouldn't yet go as far as England has and have zero rules even if you have COVID but I think we'd hold up just fine if we went down the same path.

It wasn't the close contacts. I had firms shutting down because too many of their critical staff were too sick to even work remote.

 

[Evolved1]

It wasn't the close contacts. I had firms shutting down because too many of their critical staff were too sick to even work remote.

Seems to have dropped off now though.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Seems to have dropped off now though.

Getting better. January they didn't even want to answer the phone things were so bad. Now, most are operating to some degree (only have one still shut down)

The issue is it can take several weeks to wash the infection through your organizaion

 

[Ross]

It wasn't the close contacts. I had firms shutting down because too many of their critical staff were too sick to even work remote.

Fair enough mate, we're probably involved in different industries with different situations. The rest of my colleagues were either wiped out from COVID or were a close contact over the span of the last month and we got no replacements. The good news is they were all doing fine after a few days and probably could have been at work sooner (or I guess we could have just gotten actual replacements...). I've somehow continued to dodge COVID so far.

 

[Evolved1]

Getting better. January they didn't even want to answer the phone things were so bad. Now, most are operating to some degree (only have one still shut down)

The issue is it can take several weeks to wash the infection through your organizaion

My workplace was much the same after I returned from xmas holidays, but seems close enough to full capacity now. Catching up will take time.

 

[Gralin]

We had probably a third of our workforce off sick during Jan, and they were either directly sick or in some cases looking after immediate family who were very ill

And that's not including the people like me who copped it during our christmas shut down and didn't miss a day of work because I had it on my holidays

This whole the stupid close contact rules shut the state down narrative is just the next iteration of these stupid lockdown rules

 

[Crankyhawk]

Typical Labor narrative. There is no doubt whatsoever that forcing close contacts into isolation had a massive impact on the economy, particularly in logistics, and to pretend now this was bullshit is completely disingenuous. If I'm wrong then produce the statistics

It is difficult to get statistics to support either case. Certainly there were contact isolation issues until the relaxation allowing rat use for essential workers (though who could find the things?) but there were also many directly ill (think we had 70 doctors sick at the same time at one point - well by sick I mean testing positive- some asymptomatic some more unwell though not aware of any hospitalised this time from hospital)