What would you have Dan do that would improve the situation while being palatable to the populace?
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Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7
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What would you have Dan do that would improve the situation while being palatable to the populace?
I mean yeah, absolutely.
It's the leading cause of Australian excess mortality. But the cookers and rightwing loons, here and in the media spent two years in an all out public assault on all sensible public health measures.
Much like they made climate action politically intractable for some time, dealing with the COVID health emergency that is a still continuing pandemic, has vecome very difficult.
Quiet idiot. A small loud minority like you, share the blame.I vote for a full statewide lockdown beginning at 23:59 Saturday night
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When was the last time he actually mentioned Covid?
I honestly don't know, however I feel like the issue will be brought into focus politically before winter.
Even though COVID has been mutating to frequently to settle into a seasonal illness.
Honestly, Albo made a big stuff up promising not to sack ppublic servants. Brendan Murphy and some of the current geriatric/liberal appointee AHPPC crew are completely out of step with reality on the issue.
Lol, yep that's it, a couple of people on the internet are to blame instead of your dear leader anytime he does something you don't like...
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They are probably trying to get as much as they can from governments. Look at how much Sutton was sidelined and ignored the moment the pandemics laws came in.
In Victoria, after eight years plus of the Andrews Government, there are no Liberal appointees. Even as a member of a political party I find your partisanship astounding.
Anyway, back to Andrews - what should he do that would be considered politically acceptable?
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The Health system needs to be beefed up.
If we're going to have a perpetual, continual stream of new ICU patients and ambulance calls, we need more resources to handle it.
There was a pre-COVID health requirement, which the current system was built to handle, but now we're in a post-COVID environment.
I don't know the numbers, but if we now have 110% of the cases/patients than pre-COVID then we should have 110% of the health system capacity. It's like they're still thinking it's a wave which will recede, but it's not a surge, it's just the new state-of-health.
While that would be difficult and expensive, it is a plan and a politically palatable one. Personally I think Andrews, like many governments, is of the opinion that any tolerance for lockdowns and other such preventative measures has pretty much disappeared from the populace. There's also a question as to how effective they'd be anyway considering likely compliance issues.
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I agree that prevention has run its race now that it's endemic, it's really up to individuals to manage their own risk.
But it does mean that more people will be attending the ER.
Yes, it's more expensive to have a larger health system, but we have a greater level of illness, so it's necessary. That's the cost of living with this disease, just as we live with cancer, flu and lots of other diseases we can't cure, but can treat.
We can't just let the whole system strain as if we're pretending COVID will go away soon. It's here to stay apparently. And if we go too far and COVID numbers do drop, the population will catch up to the additional capacity within 5 years anyway. It's not like if we opened a new hospital and trained many more doctors and nurses we'd soon have to close it and the doctors/nurses couldn't find anything else to do.
This is the main sensible solution. On top of that, there needs to be better education on health overall IMO. Do we have capacity though to add more doctors and nurses?
The UK are changing their vaccination program from Feb 12 to mainly target those more at risk with boosters. The third shot being cut off from feb 12 for anyone under 50 not in a clinical risk group.
I wonder if Australian will follow.
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As well as populations being complacent, are pharmaceuticals also resting on laurels? Lates boosters don’t seem to be keeping up.
The pace of improvement in v covid ‘vaccine’ seems to have dropped off
The pace of improvement in v covid ‘vaccine’ seems to have dropped off
These are the laws that people were demanding.
The paranoia surrounding authority being granted to state public health officials was borderline Qanon type hysteria.
Re-read my post before you feign pearl clutching.
I expressly referenced the national committee and federal appointees. National unity is what the press demanded and what Victoria signed up for. We've been following the lead of the AHPPCs, ATAGI and the department of the federal Health Minister's advice almost to the T ever since.
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I'm with Andrews and the states here. A 50/50 funding model is essential, as is increasing rebates to encourage bulk billing. The freeze is little more than sabotage.
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take note of what the epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists suggest. here's one - prof crabb
- vaccines and the need to be fully vaccinated,
- continuing to test and isolate if positive,
- a focus on clean air and better ventilation, and
- the ongoing use of masks
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Which of those are we currently not doing?
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none are mandated as far as i know. was at a supermarket on monday and saw 3 other peeps wearing masks.
Is there some sort of legal compulsion for Victorian officials following the lead of Commonwealth officials? The press have demanded much from Daniel Andrews that he has had the political strength to resist - why not this?
He's either a strong leader (for which you give him credit for) or he's a weathervane easily led by outside forces. Not one or the other when it suits your rhetorical objectives.
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I think People who want to isolate are still isolating. If Dan did a presser and mandated isolation, it would make no difference. Someone isn’t going to then decide to start isolating because Dan told them so.
Purely doing PCR tests, making someone isolate for 5 days and then actually monitoring those who are at home who are positive for 5 days - do you really want to go back to this process?
I won’t go into mandating of the vaccine. The messaging around the world around the vaccine is laughable and inconsistent. Look at where the UK is heading.
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I love lockdowns, but what you've said there is 100% true.
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Probably a good idea not to force people back into CBD for work using public transport for the most part as well.
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