Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Crankyhawk]

Who are these masked fu**wits and what are they protesting about?

Anti trans I think, there was some visiting speaker from the UK (Kelli Jay Kreen, anti trans activist)
The men in black were showing support for her views.

 

[evolved2]

found it

That's fairly typical VicPol behaviour. I'd let it through to the keeper.

 

[peetoo]

Your original nazis didn’t break laws either, then once it was too late they scratched all the inconvenient laws anyway

 

[Crankyhawk]

That's fairly typical VicPol behaviour. I'd let it through to the keeper.

More that it wasn't necessary, and makes it look like vicpol are taking the side of the anti trans/ neonazis. Poor optics. While if they had just stood by, let Meddick rant, but then if Meddick moved towards the nazis then block his way theres no bad optics.

 

[Gralin]

That's fairly typical VicPol behaviour. I'd let it through to the keeper.

What about this? This is also typical vicpol behaviour when dealing with the left.



Like you protest for human rights or action on climate change you cop this.

You do the nazi salute and call for trans people to be eradicated (something they also did in nazi Germany btw)

And the cops give you a protective escort.

 

[Gough]

Well done to Pesutto. Zero tolerance.

 

[Kyptastic]

Well done to Pesutto. Zero tolerance.

Will he have the votes in the party room? He only won the leadership by a single vote, they’re not exactly United behind him

 

[Upgrayedd]

Well done to Pesutto. Zero tolerance.

Could this be the return of the bare minimum standards in politics? How exciting

 

[Gough]

Will he have the votes in the party room? He only won the leadership by a single vote, they’re not exactly United behind him

I suspect there will be few in the party room who'll be sorry to see her go. Imagine how dumb you'd have to be to given the Party Whip under huge sufferance and then blow it to go hang out with some fascists.

 

[Gralin]

Will he have the votes in the party room? He only won the leadership by a single vote, they’re not exactly United behind him

Personally if they don't have the votes I'd like to see the party split.

That said she never should have been there in the first place, there's nothing new or surprising about her actions here it's all totally on brand

 

[Golden_6]

What about this? This is also typical vicpol behaviour when dealing with the left.



Like you protest for human rights or action on climate change you cop this.

You do the nazi salute and call for trans people to be eradicated (something they also did in nazi Germany btw)

And the cops give you a protective escort.

This sort of stuff is disgraceful.

No idea on the context of the video but the guy is clearly contained on the ground with several police officers on top of him. Why does this thug feel the need to do what he did? It’s beyond awful that we have people like this still in our police force.

 

[evolved2]

What about this? This is also typical vicpol behaviour when dealing with the left.



Like you protest for human rights or action on climate change you cop this.

You do the nazi salute and call for trans people to be eradicated (something they also did in nazi Germany btw)

And the cops give you a protective escort.

That's clearly assault.

 

[evolved2]

More that it wasn't necessary, and makes it look like vicpol are taking the side of the anti trans/ neonazis. Poor optics. While if they had just stood by, let Meddick rant, but then if Meddick moved towards the nazis then block his way theres no bad optics.

It's one cop giving a gentle nudge to someone at a protest. That wouldn't be close to being newsworthy in the days before smartphones.

 

[Crankyhawk]

It's one cop giving a gentle nudge to someone at a protest. That wouldn't be close to being newsworthy in the days before smartphones.

The point is these are now days of smartphones and the police need to lift their behaviour accordingly

 

[evolved2]

We know what the Nazi's end game is. Why should we tolerate that?

I'm not expecting you or anyone else to tolerate that. The police are employed to act within and upon the law, even loosely as many officers do, and I saw nothing outrageous in Crankyhawk 's link.

My personal opinion is that the right to conduct peaceful protest generally overrides all else. In the case of hate, I make an exception when the law agrees. In this instance, I can't see any breach of law from the nazis so I side with their right to free speech. IANAL so I'm happy to be corrected by someone with knowledge in the field.

 

[Gralin]

I'm not expecting you or anyone else to tolerate that. The police are employed to act within and upon the law, even loosely as many officers do, and I saw nothing outrageous in Crankyhawk 's link.

My personal opinion is that the right to conduct peaceful protest generally overrides all else. In the case of hate, I make an exception when the law agrees. In this instance, I can't see any breach of law from the nazis so I side with their right to free speech. IANAL so I'm happy to be corrected by someone with knowledge in the field.

You side with the nazis right to free speech.....

 

[Gralin]

This sort of stuff is disgraceful.

No idea on the context of the video but the guy is clearly contained on the ground with several police officers on top of him. Why does this thug feel the need to do what he did? It’s beyond awful that we have people like this still in our police force.

This is standard, this is the police force.
The other cops didn't pull him up or pull him off the guy.

 

[peetoo]

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[Fire]

Watching this video, I would really hope a few cops lose their job or even face some charges over the coming days.

But I wont be holding my breath. Which is why through my adulthood I have gradually lost all trust and support for any of them.

 

[Gough]

I'm not expecting you or anyone else to tolerate that. The police are employed to act within and upon the law, even loosely as many officers do, and I saw nothing outrageous in Crankyhawk 's link.

My personal opinion is that the right to conduct peaceful protest generally overrides all else. In the case of hate, I make an exception when the law agrees. In this instance, I can't see any breach of law from the nazis so I side with their right to free speech. IANAL so I'm happy to be corrected by someone with knowledge in the field.

Then you're pig ignorant about history, give these people an inch and they take a mile. I'd have rounded the lot of them up, put them in maximum security with Islamic fascists, locked the door and let nature take it's course.

 

[Saint]

Imagine being the Herald Sun editor. They're not running any stories about the nazis and Deeming on their web-page (found one further down after 3 stories about the royals).

Bolt's article today is titled "Melbourne protest exposes twin faces of tribalism", so I'm guessing that it's equating the nazis doing nazi salutes with trans people and supporters yelling at anti-trans activists (not necessarily the nazis).

So the Herald Sun editor has spent the last week trying to get traction with a letter from an ex-IBAC commissioner about integrity, then the LNP upper-house whip attend a rally with nazis. Their excuse is that they didn't invite the nazis, they just happen to share the same ideology.

This is why Andrews is getting away with whatever he pleases, Deeming was top of the ticket for the Upper House and within a year, they're trying to boot her from the party because it turned out to be true when everyone exposed her as a bigot prior to the election.

Hmm, do I vote for the party with the Premier who had a nasty letter written about him relating to integrity, or do I vote for the party with a habit of endorsing people with such similar ideologies to nazis that the nazis make up half of their rally audiences.

And the rest of this term of State Govt is going to involve the Libs fighting themselves about whether they should let Bigots be nominated top of the ticket again. Meanwhile Andrews does as he pleases.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Maybe he should be calling out his own police force for protecting the nazis.

He won't though.

Or you know for assaulting the people protesting the nazis.

He won't do that either though.

He does love an empty platitude on social media though

Eh, they'll change the laws.

And yes, it's clear no one has the guts to seriously reform VicPol.

 

[The Punter]

Imagine being the Herald Sun editor. They're not running any stories about the nazis and Deeming on their web-page (found one further down after 3 stories about the royals).

Bolt's article today is titled "Melbourne protest exposes twin faces of tribalism", so I'm guessing that it's equating the nazis doing nazi salutes with trans people and supporters yelling at anti-trans activists (not necessarily the nazis).

So the Herald Sun editor has spent the last week trying to get traction with a letter from an ex-IBAC commissioner about integrity, then the LNP upper-house whip attend a rally with nazis. Their excuse is that they didn't invite the nazis, they just happen to share the same ideology.

This is why Andrews is getting away with whatever he pleases, Deeming was top of the ticket for the Upper House and within a year, they're trying to boot her from the party because it turned out to be true when everyone exposed her as a bigot prior to the election.

Hmm, do I vote for the party with the Premier who had a nasty letter written about him relating to integrity, or do I vote for the party with a habit of endorsing people with such similar ideologies to nazis that the nazis make up half of their rally audiences.

And the rest of this term of State Govt is going to involve the Libs fighting themselves about whether they should let Bigots be nominated top of the ticket again. Meanwhile Andrews does as he pleases.

There's no problem with any of this post except the dismissal of the much-respected former head of IBAC who happens to also be a former Supreme Court Judge as someone who "wrote a nasty letter". There was nothing nasty about the letter - if you want nasty, you have Keating's performance last week for entertainment.

But the dismissal of Redlich is straight from the Andrews playbook. It wasn't nasty - it was a letter to parliament (whom IBAC report to, so it is entirely appropriate the letter went to the Presiding Officers rather than the Andrews Government) from a credible, respected, qualified person provided in a rational manner.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Well there you go.