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Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

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Well done to Pesutto. Zero tolerance.
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I mean it isn't well done or zero tolerance.

He defended her over this exact issue a week or so back.

 

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That is factually incorrect.


The appointment was made in 2017 to commence 1 January 2018.
You are absolutely correct, I was mistaken about the date.

I revise my opinion then and am happy to delete the post accusing him of partisanship.
 
Eh, they'll change the laws.

And yes, it's clear no one has the guts to seriously reform VicPol.
The thing is, they don't need to change laws for the cops to have been able to stop a bunch of neo nazis from goose stepping down the street to the steps of parliament saluting the whole way.

They moved on the 5 or so of these flogs that turned up to protest a canceled drag show in St Kilda a little while ago.

If they wanted to they could have moved these guys on, they didn't want to, they'd rather pepper spray and assault the counter protestors.

It's no accident that quite a few of the cops here very friendly with the NSN crew.
 
The thing is, they don't need to change laws for the cops to have been able to stop a bunch of neo nazis from goose stepping down the street to the steps of parliament saluting the whole way.

They moved on the 5 or so of these flogs that turned up to protest a canceled drag show in St Kilda a little while ago.

If they wanted to they could have moved these guys on, they didn't want to, they'd rather pepper spray and assault the counter protestors.

It's no accident that quite a few of the cops here very friendly with the NSN crew.
Whilst I agree, it eliminates any flex the cops may think they have.
 
Whilst I agree, it eliminates any flex the cops may think they have.
i dont give a shit about the cops though, they've shown time and time again the issue isn't the law its them

they'll do what they want generally regardless
 
I wonder if the Libs had their time again that they might revisit the idea of welcoming the happy clappers into their party on the basis of being adept at fundraising.
My suspicion (without having direct links to LNP) was the alternative was financial insolvency and the dissolution of the party.
 
i dont give a s**t about the cops though, they've shown time and time again the issue isn't the law its them

they'll do what they want generally regardless
spam the ethical standards board then and the ombudsman, at the least will tie them up in answering complaints.
 
There's no problem with any of this post except the dismissal of the much-respected former head of IBAC who happens to also be a former Supreme Court Judge as someone who "wrote a nasty letter". There was nothing nasty about the letter - if you want nasty, you have Keating's performance last week for entertainment.

But the dismissal of Redlich is straight from the Andrews playbook. It wasn't nasty - it was a letter to parliament (whom IBAC report to, so it is entirely appropriate the letter went to the Presiding Officers rather than the Andrews Government) from a credible, respected, qualified person provided in a rational manner.
Yep, I agree, but as i pointed out last week. Most of the problem with IBAC stems from the way the Libs set it up, with oversight by the Govt of the day and that now the Libs are in opposition, surprise surprise, they want the opposition to be in charge of oversight.

It's a storm in a tea-cup where the press have again over-reached about making it about Andrews corruption. And Andrews' hubris and complete lack of opposition means he's treated it with contempt when he should have taken it seriously (and probably should have just stated what I've said in the previous para and it'd all have blown over).

Redlich's main problem is that the oversight committee under the ALP, he thinks, have used their power for politicisation of IBAC. Now his letter is being used for the same purpose, so he's not exactly showered himself in glory in this episode either, since he's contributed to greater politicisation of IBAC. I think this jurists' going to see a lot more politicisation if he gets the Opposition in charge of oversight of IBAC.
 

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i dont give a s**t about the cops though, they've shown time and time again the issue isn't the law its them

they'll do what they want generally regardless
As we all know, it's a problem that is incredibly difficult to fix.

We've tried Royal Commission(s) in the past and whilst they can temporarily root out some bad actors, the change hasn't been long lasting.

The security services have identified a risk of extremist infiltration, but they plausibly can't or won't do much else.

I'm open to a parliamentary inquiry, and changes to the police code of conduct, but so long as we have an aggressively rightwing press and militant police unions, it's going to be hard to make a change.

Basically, it's a huge problem that would require a seachange in public opinion and massive public support to fix.
 
As we all know, it's a problem that is incredibly difficult to fix.

We've tried Royal Commission(s) in the past and whilst they can temporarily root out some bad actors, the change hasn't been long lasting.

The security services have identified a risk of extremist infiltration, but they plausibly can't or won't do much else.

I'm open to a parliamentary inquiry, and changes to the police code of conduct, but so long as we have an aggressively rightwing press and militant police unions, it's going to be hard to make a change.

Basically, it's a huge problem that would require a seachange in public opinion and massive public support to fix.
defunding cops is a start
 
Watching this video, I would really hope a few cops lose their job or even face some charges over the coming days.

But I wont be holding my breath. Which is why through my adulthood I have gradually lost all trust and support for any of them.

I can’t see what charges they’d face for the weekend given the actions in the below article were thrown out by a magistrate as not even being criminal…

 

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Eh, it's mostly pretty chill.

The whole point of reactionary politics is to target areas deemed to be "progressive" or "leftwing" to generate pushback and outrage.

These people are mutants who thrive off conflict.
the far right movement is an expected cultural/social/political response to the progressive strides victoria has taken in the last 20 or so years .... victoria was a fairly dour place built on the foundational power of conservative institutions such as religion, guilds, police, politics etc (until the 80's, power was a liberal party birthright)

people brought up within these hermetically sealed environments are struggling with the raft of social changes rooted in the various 'isms' of gender, race and queer politics .... by and large the modern world has left these people behind and their resentment is off the charts ... and here we are
 
I can’t see what charges they’d face for the weekend given the actions in the below article were thrown out by a magistrate as not even being criminal…

Do you have the link for it being thrown out (the article only talks about the charges pending)
And yes that would indicate that meddick would have no chance of getting an assault charge up
 
Victoria isn't a very nice place.
You'd think so given some of the posts here, but that hasn't my experience. My immigrant wife and mixed race children haven't experienced any racism from white people, and my wife has been living here for close to 30 years.

I haven't encountered any of these nazis irl either. Obviously they exist, but they're rare.

Regional areas may be different, but I think Melbourne is one of the most accepting and openminded places in the world. You could walk down the cbd with a beard and a dress on, and most people wouldn't look twice.
 
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