Howe many?

[Monkey King]

If fisher doesn't spin away from the contest would he have been tripped up?

Yes. Look at the footage. It’s obvious.

Howe’s definitely gone for this. Severe impact. It’s gonna be about 2-3 weeks I reckon.

 

[Tex9798]

Just watched the MRP video on the AFL website, didn't realize that upgraded Howe to medium impact because of the "potential to do serious damage".

Do they understand how dumb that looks?

He gets two weeks for something that didn't even injury his opponent and Cutler gets two weeks for smashing someone in the face with an elbow and only one of those is upgraded for potential to do serious damage?

How come other punches to the face haven't been upgraded? Hasn't O'Meara been hit on the chin multiple times this year without penalty?

The trip grading is ridiculous as well. Severe? So if that's severe, what constitutes the 3 gradings below that?

Is no injury low? Is a bruise medium? What is high?

If that's the bar for severe why has no other trip received anything more than a fine for like 4 years?

 

[Tex9798]

Anyone got a GIF of McVeigh striking O'Meara? Just want to stand how one pretty weak punch has potential to do damage but another doesn't.

 

[SickQwon]

Just watched the MRP video on the AFL website, didn't realize that upgraded Howe to medium impact because of the "potential to do serious damage".

Do they understand how dumb that looks?

He gets two weeks for something that didn't even injury his opponent and Cutler gets two weeks for smashing someone in the face with an elbow and only one of those is upgraded for potential to do serious damage?

How come other punches to the face haven't been upgraded? Hasn't O'Meara been hit on the chin multiple times this year without penalty?

The trip grading is ridiculous as well. Severe? So if that's severe, what constitutes the 3 gradings below that?

Is no injury low? Is a bruise medium? What is high?

If that's the bar for severe why has no other trip received anything more than a fine for like 4 years?

Ending a players season = Severe
taking a player out for the rest of the game = High

 

[Mitchell54]

You cant straight up punch blokes especially good players

i really hope your not suggesting it matters which player he punches. Should be the same punishment whether its the worst player in the team or the best

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Just watched the MRP video on the AFL website, didn't realize that upgraded Howe to medium impact because of the "potential to do serious damage".

Do they understand how dumb that looks?

He gets two weeks for something that didn't even injury his opponent and Cutler gets two weeks for smashing someone in the face with an elbow and only one of those is upgraded for potential to do serious damage?

How come other punches to the face haven't been upgraded? Hasn't O'Meara been hit on the chin multiple times this year without penalty?

The trip grading is ridiculous as well. Severe? So if that's severe, what constitutes the 3 gradings below that?

Is no injury low? Is a bruise medium? What is high?

If that's the bar for severe why has no other trip received anything more than a fine for like 4 years?

It's the hawthorn tribunal rule.
The "potential" only comes into it when a hawk does it

 

[barrackers]

Potential to cause more serious injury - aka the Hawthorn clause. Hodge, Lewis, Lake, now Howe. IIRC they tried it on for another Hawk earlier this year. Has ANY other player EVER had this clause applied?

It's the hawthorn tribunal rule.
The "potential" only comes into it when a hawk does it

The AFL must have got the jumpers confused here

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-26/bans-for-mitch-and-mason-pies-staging-fine

Cox collected Hawthorn's Daniel Howe high with his elbow during the third quarter of Saturday night's game at the MCG. Match Review Officer Michael Christian judged Cox's action to be intentional conduct with low impact to the head, triggering a one-game suspension.

"Ordinarily the impact (to Howe) would have been below the force required to constitute a reportable offence, but we took into account in this particular case that the action had the potential to cause a more serious injury," Christian said.

 

[harrisendblue]

So getting reamed by the umps shouldn't matter if your 10 goals up? Bizarre logic. Guess when you have become a laughing stock we all should be letting go of our anger towards umpiring decisions for sympathy's sake yeah?

Its all about perspective and realising there is no rule that says the free count has to be equal.

 

[harrisendblue]

He is reaching out to either contest the ball or lay a tackle, when you trip someone you usually don't attempt to tackle at the same time, you just stick a leg a leg out and act like it was an accident like selwood did. Go back and have a look at many incidents over the years and see what the common factor is.

Your correct it was not a trip but rather a kick which broke a players leg.

 

[harrisendblue]

Yeah ok, first game of footy was it?

Good your silence is the acknowledgement that im correct. Not saying your the only supporter group that has done it over the years. Doesn't change the fact its still laughable.

 

[slashin_velvet]

The woe is me hawks quick to forget Michael Christian saying a forearm to the head would be graded intentional striking, only for Tom Mitchell to get away with a "misconduct" charge on Goldy. Are we also electing to forget Burton's bump on Higgins?

Hawks witch hunt.

 

[harrisendblue]

It is on topic champ, not sure why geelong supporters are getting on their high horse when they have 2 of the most protected players in the game. Both selwood and Dangerfield used their legs dangerously yet there is silence but when a no name who plays for hawthorn does it all hell breaks loose. If you can't see it for what it is than your a lost cause.

Show us some vision of these alleged Selewood and Dangerfield incidents and let us judge if they are the same - heres a tip pick one in which the player has his leg broken.

 

[harrisendblue]

The woe is me hawks quick to forget Michael Christian saying a forearm to the head would be graded intentional striking, only for Tom Mitchell to get away with a "misconduct" charge on Goldy. Are we also electing to forget Burton's bump on Higgins?

Hawks witch hunt.

They've been the same for years.

 

[harrisendblue]

i really hope your not suggesting it matters which player he punches. Should be the same punishment whether its the worst player in the team or the best

Im saying you need to protect the better players because that's basically who the fans go to see. There should also be some extra thrown on because it was a tagger who did the punching.

 

[Jeffy38!]

It's the AFL not the UFC. Intent was there on both acts. Howe was acting like a **** and needs a significant penalty considering Fisher is out for the season. Tripping is a low act. The punch was stupid and definitely took the edge off Cripps. But I guess that's hawks unsociable footy at its best.

 

[Gralin]

The AFL must have got the jumpers confused here

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-26/bans-for-mitch-and-mason-pies-staging-fine

good post, reminds us that the AFL doesn't target one team

 

[Gralin]

Good your silence is the acknowledgement that im correct. Not saying your the only supporter group that has done it over the years. Doesn't change the fact its still laughable.

at least you're laughing and not crying
supporters are going to let the umpires know when they think they made a bad call, booing the umps is part of the game, not everyone does it but a fair chunk of fans from every club does it

suggesting the scoreline matters is what is laughable

Im saying you need to protect the better players because that's basically who the fans go to see. There should also be some extra thrown on because it was a tagger who did the punching.

no the penalty should be the same

what the umpires should do is use the whistle during the game to stamp out shit tactics, why does the retaliator usually cop the free against instead of the instigator?

so many of the issues we see come down to weak umpiring

 

[Jeffy38!]

at least you're laughing and not crying
supporters are going to let the umpires know when they think they made a bad call, booing the umps is part of the game, not everyone does it but a fair chunk of fans from every club does it

suggesting the scoreline matters is what is laughable


no the penalty should be the same

what the umpires should do is use the whistle during the game to stamp out shit tactics, why does the retaliator usually cop the free against instead of the instigator?

so many of the issues we see come down to weak umpiring

Stop deflecting.

 

[Gralin]

Stop deflecting.

what am I deflecting from?

 

[Tex9798]

Ending a players season = Severe
taking a player out for the rest of the game = High

Oh I get that, but if you kick/trip someone in the leg, chances are more often than not there will be no injury that needs treatment which is probably not even cited right?

But cause a break and its severe? Really? With a trip how do you achieve the gradings below that - thats my point, you jump from no injury, straight to severe, what do you have to do to get high? Or medium? What is low? The player comes to the bench and says they have a boo boo?

Perhaps trips should have their own separate table of offences - which I think would be good idea personally, same with some other offences.

 

[harrisendblue]

at least you're laughing and not crying
supporters are going to let the umpires know when they think they made a bad call, booing the umps is part of the game, not everyone does it but a fair chunk of fans from every club does it

suggesting the scoreline matters is what is laughable


no the penalty should be the same

what the umpires should do is use the whistle during the game to stamp out shit tactics, why does the retaliator usually cop the free against instead of the instigator?

so many of the issues we see come down to weak umpiring

This is true but some clubs do it more than others - yours being one of them. The biggest example of this was your supporters starting the whole disgraceful booing of Adam Goodes.
What is laughable is that your supporters were so upset even when so far in front. Normal supporters don't en masse do that when 70 points in front. What it ultimately showed was a lack of knowledge - there is no rule that states free kicks have to be even.
Umpires should focus on the treatment of all start players because these are the players who cop the most attention. Im sure that if the tribunal started weighting penalties, like they do for grand finals, based on the player being hit it would discourage illegal tactics by taggers.
Clearly the umpire should be more vigilant of illegal tactics used players and especially by taggers.

 

[Gralin]

This is true but some clubs do it more than others - yours being one of them. The biggest example of this was your supporters starting the whole disgraceful booing of Adam Goodes.
What is laughable is that your supporters were so upset even when so far in front. Normal supporters don't en masse do that when 70 points in front. What it ultimately showed was a lack of knowledge - there is no rule that states free kicks have to be even.
Umpires should focus on the treatment of all start players because these are the players who cop the most attention. Im sure that if the tribunal started weighting penalties, like they do for grand finals, based on the player being hit it would discourage illegal tactics by taggers.
Clearly the umpire should be more vigilant of illegal tactics used players and especially by taggers.

Yeah I don't agree about higher penalties against star players
what makes a star player
is the AFL going to release a list at the start of each round of who not to go after?
why is that fair on the rest of the players

like I said, if the umps actually used the whistle during the game to shut down the niggle tactics employed by paying a few free kicks, and they did it consistently the problem would go away

Howe's punch may not have happened then as the niggle between him and Cripps leading up to it would have resulted in a free kick before it escalated

The trip would still have happened as that was in play, and it would be dealt with, same as if Howe still punched Cripps without the lead up

 

[DamoESP]

Reminds me of this (two weeks in a row from Selwood) except Howe was good enough to make contact:

That should be a week. I can't stand people that attempt to trip other players, so many examples where someone swings a leg or is on the ground and reaches out with the arm, and because they don't connect, nothing is ever made of it. Its a low act that can cause significant injury if it connects when a player is running full tilt/least expecting it.

 

[harrisendblue]

Yeah I don't agree about higher penalties against star players
what makes a star player
is the AFL going to release a list at the start of each round of who not to go after?
why is that fair on the rest of the players

like I said, if the umps actually used the whistle during the game to shut down the niggle tactics employed by paying a few free kicks, and they did it consistently the problem would go away

Howe's punch may not have happened then as the niggle between him and Cripps leading up to it would have resulted in a free kick before it escalated

The trip would still have happened as that was in play, and it would be dealt with, same as if Howe still punched Cripps without the lead up

Clearly there would need to be definitions however not that hard especially with the number of staff employed by the AFL.

Life is unfair and will always be that way. People generally go to watch the stars play so lets protect them.

Don't have an issue with more free kicks especially if they stop a tagger illegally impending a stars run for the ball. Who knows if Howes punch would have happened but im tipping he wont do it again now that he will be suspended.

Your correct that he would still have kicked Fisher.

The lead up. If you mean pushing and shoving to gain position then it happens countless times. The difference is that generally other players dont **** their fist and punch a bloke. Under the current rules of racing if Howe cant handle a star player pushing him back and needs to punch then mate he will have a short career.

 

[Gralin]

Clearly there would need to be definitions however not that hard especially with the number of staff employed by the AFL.

Life is unfair and will always be that way. People generally go to watch the stars play so lets protect them.

Don't have an issue with more free kicks especially if they stop a tagger illegally impending a stars run for the ball. Who knows if Howes punch would have happened but im tipping he wont do it again now that he will be suspended.

Your correct that he would still have kicked Fisher.

The lead up. If you mean pushing and shoving to gain position then it happens countless times. The difference is that generally other players dont **** their fist and punch a bloke. Under the current rules of racing if Howe cant handle a star player pushing him back and needs to punch then mate he will have a short career.

he didn't kick Fisher, it was a trip, the question the tribunal have to decide is how accountable for the trip Howe is
he also got punched by Cripps prior to punching him back, in the head as shown in a photo in this thread, and in the gut prior to hitting Cripps on the chin with what looked like an attempt at a high check punch
neither incident got a whistle which means either the umps didn't care or weren't watching

the AFL says they want to stamp out the gut punches etc but they let a hell of a lot of them go on match day and with the MRP, sure they pick a couple of incidents out here or there to show that they are doing something but they don't really do much to stop it