Interstate Shitfight thread.

[eddiesmith]

He isnt actually, at least not at first class level.

Paine 95 first class matches 4231 runs at 29.38 and just 1 hundred.

Hartley 131 first class matches 6138 runs at 34.48 and 10 hundreds.

Didn’t Hartley bat at no9 for a while?

 

[BRWB]

I'm not actually, and I've been proven correct.

But no doubt I'll still be busting the Hodge myth here in 10 years time.

That's some life you got there m8.

 

[Kram]

Yeah you are. Look, it's fine, I really don't care if you do but don't pretend that you're not.

I'm not mate. I was ridiculed at the start of the series for suggesting he was a superior TEST player, and have been proven right.

 

[Yoda_]

Still a better Test cricketer, I've won the argument. There is no disputing this.

Hodge may have had more competition, but when he was given a decent run in the Test he was garbage. Had one decent innings and was clueless the rest of the time. Maybe he might have come good with another go (unlucky not to) but it's not a 'sure thing' that he would have been some gun player like the Vic fanboys carry on. It's actually quite likely he would have continued to have been shit when he had issues with the short ball and outside offstump.

Good state player, failure at Test level.

How do you actually come to this conclusion?

First 11 innings
Marsh (Hodge)
141 (60)
81 (18
18 (23)
44 (41)
0 (203*)
0 (7)
3 (24)
0 (6)
11 (27*)
3 (67)
0 (27)

Marsh 301 runs @ 27
Hodge 503 runs @ 55

yeah nuh, good call. Really nailed it on the head there. Good on you


Give someone enough chances and they could eventually come good. Pretty sure if Hodge was given as many chances as Shaun, he'd have ended up with 3000+ runs.

 

[Kram]

You are either really simple not understanding the argument or trolling.

I've won it.

 

[Yoda_]

You are either really simple not understanding the argument or trolling.

I've won it.

If you are deflecting the question you are either wrong or trolling

 

[smasha]

How do you actually come to this conclusion?

First 11 innings
Marsh (Hodge)
141 (60)
81 (18
18 (23)
44 (41)
0 (203*)
0 (7)
3 (24)
0 (6)
11 (27*)
3 (67)
0 (27)

Marsh 301 runs @ 27
Hodge 503 runs @ 55

yeah nuh, good call. Really nailed it on the head there. Good on you


Give someone enough chances and they could eventually come good. Pretty sure if Hodge was given as many chances as Shaun, he'd have ended up with 3000+ runs.

There you go,conclusive stats that the Australian test selectors cant wait to put the knife into Victorian players as soon as they have one bad innings.

Politics in sport.

Up the mighty Vics!

You will never walk alone!

 

[Kram]

How do you actually come to this conclusion?

First 11 innings
Marsh (Hodge)
141 (60)
81 (18
18 (23)
44 (41)
0 (203*)
0 (7)
3 (24)
0 (6)
11 (27*)
3 (67)
0 (27)

Marsh 301 runs @ 27
Hodge 503 runs @ 55

yeah nuh, good call. Really nailed it on the head there. Good on you


Give someone enough chances and they could eventually come good. Pretty sure if Hodge was given as many chances as Shaun, he'd have ended up with 3000+ runs.

You can reel off as many useless stats as you want but he actually played better in the Test team. I wonder how many of actually watched Hodge play. He was shit and out of his depth.

After laughing at us at the start of the summer I won. You lost.

 

[nobbyiscool]

For all the historical whinging about the lack of opportunities afforded to guys like Brad Hodge, Jamie Siddons and Stuart Law, the fact that Jamie Cox never played for Australia is a bigger travesty then any of the other names mentioned.

Had been from any other state in Australia he would've been picked before Hayden (his 2nd run), Elliott, and Langer (when he was picked to open.)

Stats will never tell the story of how good he was when you consider the shit heap that Bellerive was in the 90s.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I live in Victoria but support Australia. Don't care where they're from as long as they perform.

 

[Yoda_]

Yeah but just remember he isn’t Victorian that’s why he got so many chances supposedly according to smash face.

Conveniently forgets the calibre of competition Hodge was competing with to get a test spot at that stage of his career compared to the competition for Shaun Marsh’s position in the test side over the last few years just to suit his made up everyone against Victoria political propaganda.

I’d assume the side coming dead last in the Shield is I don’t know, maybe, not worthy of having a current test representative for obvious reasons because their players are gash, with the exception of Maxwell who I have admitted several times was hard done by. What I have noticed with Victorian players over the years is that the few that do stand out at state level, most of the time get found out at test level and can’t make the next step. Doesn’t help that their team is currently full of or recently had contracted the biggest flogs in the cricket community (Matt Wade, Aaron Finch, Marcus Stoinis, Scott Boland, Dan Christian) oh and Glenn Maxwell going by Steve Smith and CA’s current perception of him depending who you believe there.

If you want the definition of a player hard done by, look no further than Chris Hartley. Was the best wicketkeeper in the country when Nevill and Wade were considered over him to replace Haddin due to their supposed better batting record but Hartley was no slouch with the bat either. Think he would have done as good as Tim Paine is currently going now.

As much as it hurts, you have hit the nail on the head. Victoria has struggled to develop there own cricketers for years. We just try and fluke it with our kids.


As of right now the shield side should contain Matt Short instead of the journeymen Dan Christian. I understand and like the Marcus Harris acquisition but could have gone the way of a David King (Ringwood opener and one of Vic Premier cricketers leading run getters) as a genuine option. Instead we try and plug gaps. Have done it for years. David Hussey, Matt Wade, Dan Christian. Won't be surprised if we go after a Tom Cooper next season. Clearly Cricket Victoria don't rate Will Puckovksi, Blake Thompson etc. It's utter garbage

 

[eth-dog]

Can everyone accept that both were good test players without being great?

 

[Yoda_]

For all the historical whinging about the lack of opportunities afforded to guys like Brad Hodge, Jamie Siddons and Stuart Law, the fact that Jamie Cox never played for Australia is a bigger travesty then any of the other names mentioned.

Had been from any other state in Australia he would've been picked before Hayden (his 2nd run), Elliott, and Langer (when he was picked to open.)

Stats will never tell the story of how good he was when you consider the shit heap that Bellerive was in the 90s.

Him and even Di Venuto were hard done by imho. Cox was a genius who never looked pretty (which seemed to be the case in the 90's) but simply got the job done.

 

[Yoda_]

Weak against the short ball and rubbish outside off stump.

Surely I've comfortably won the Shaun Marsh being a far, far better Test cricketer than Brad Hodge now.

So he was Phil Hughes 1.0?

Poor against the short ball and rubbish outside off? Like Englands greatest opening batsmen?

 

[Van_Dyke]

Cricket Victoria don't rate Will Puckovksi

they’ve played the kid regularly, they can’t control the fact that he’s getting regular concussions

 

[smasha]

Smasha and Lynnsanity are here! I'll put on the popcorn, are people ok with extra salty?

Happy as larry,we won the flag mate.

 

[damochandler]

More likely the Adelaide oval is death for quicks while the GABBA is awesome.

In shield cricket

 

[eth-dog]

As much as it hurts, you have hit the nail on the head. Victoria has struggled to develop there own cricketers for years. We just try and fluke it with our kids.


As of right now the shield side should contain Matt Short instead of the journeymen Dan Christian. I understand and like the Marcus Harris acquisition but could have gone the way of a David King (Ringwood opener and one of Vic Premier cricketers leading run getters) as a genuine option. Instead we try and plug gaps. Have done it for years. David Hussey, Matt Wade, Dan Christian. Won't be surprised if we go after a Tom Cooper next season. Clearly Cricket Victoria don't rate Will Puckovksi, Blake Thompson etc. It's utter garbage

Hussey was recruited as a genuine young player looking for opportunity. Same with Harris (he's only 25) and Wade.

Also Pucovski just has had like 5 concussions in the past 18 months. They rate him, he just can't stay on the park. The player that should be in the conversation for an opening spot is Eamonn Vines, who's scored a squillion runs this year (honestly, he's killed it).

 

[eddiesmith]

Can everyone accept that both were good test players without being great?

No, but I’m sure everyone can agree that even Dan Christian would have multiple test hundreds if he got as many chances as Mitch Marsh!!!

 

[nobbyiscool]

Him and even Di Venuto were hard done by imho. Cox was a genius who never looked pretty (which seemed to be the case in the 90's) but simply got the job done.

Dene Hills was underrated as well. From memory, I think he scored a shit ton of runs the season before the 1993 Ashes tour - I seem to remember thinking he was unlucky to not be picked ahead of Slater.

 

[eth-dog]

No, but I’m sure everyone can agree that even Dan Christian would have multiple test hundreds if he got as many chances as Mitch Marsh!!!

DUDE. Don't even joke about that.

 

[Yoda_]

You can reel off as many useless stats as you want but he actually played better in the Test team. I wonder how many of actually watched Hodge play. He was shit and out of his depth.

After laughing at us at the start of the summer I won. You lost.

Not sure you won said fight. When you say something enough you start believing your own bullshit

Not pulling the wool over my eyes

 

[DaRick]

As a Queenslander, I don't have too many grievances about Queenslanders not getting a proper go. Ian Healy and Craig McDermott played a lot of Tests. The likes of Andrew Symonds and Matthew Hayden had their chances early doors but didn't take them, or proved to have serious technical issues as in Joe Burns' case. Mitch Johnson and Shane Watson were very heavily backed. Andy Bichel was messed around and could have played more games ahead of an underperforming Lee, but I certainly don't think he was actually a superior bowler. The dropping of Matt Renshaw for Cameron Bancroft was reasonable, if not ultimately fully vindicated.

I do think that Michael Kasprowicz should have played the 2003-04 Indian series ahead of Nathan Bracken (NSW) and Brad Williams (WA). He was in very good Shield form, had prior Test experience and certainly had a better Shield record than Williams (Bracken had a similar average; Kaspr had more experience). In addition, when he was recalled at Test level he excelled for about a year.

Stuart Law was very unlucky not to have played more Test cricket ahead of the likes of Greg Blewett (SA). Blewett was overall not successful at Test level. Additionally, it's not like Law failed at Test cricket when actually tried (at ODI level he generally didn't impress though).

Nathan Hauritz was screwed around, most egregiously when Xavier Doherty (TAS) and Michael Beer were chosen ahead of him.

Martin Love, Carl Rackermann and Greg Ritchie could have played more, but Love was simply born in the wrong era, Rackermann didn't help himself by going on rebel tours and Ritchie's record wasn't extraordinary.

EDIT: Allan Border/Jeff Thomson were originally from NSW so I didn't discuss them, but no doubt both would consider themselves Queenslanders and both had prolific, even legendary careers. Also, Chris Hartley should have been selected instead of Matthew Wade (VIC/TAS). Wade might have had Test experience, but he also had no form to speak of and it showed.

I didn't realise Greg Blewett was overall more successful than Staurt Law in the Shield. Mitigated though because Law invariably had to play on green GABBA seamers* while Adelaide Oval was comparatively flat.

* International GABBA pitches were much more balanced between bat and ball.

 

[largebus]

I live in Victoria but support Australia. Don't care where they're from as long as they perform.

You, my friend, are un-Australian

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Which ones? Doctor Gero certainly didn't. Who else?

Well don't misrepresent me thanks. My stance was simple, Nevill wasn't worthy of replacing him.
Which proved correct. They picked a part time keeper instead.