Is the no 1 draft pick worth tanking for?

[La Dispute]

Looking at those 3 number 1 picks Carlton had in 2005-7.

Marc Murphy was easily the best out of the 3. Your team got 300 games out of him. Sort of surprised he didn't get All Australian in his career. 2011 was the best case he could of got in. Played all 24 games. 700 disposals and 22 goals, 13 behinds.

Bryce Gibbs was the 2006 1st pick. Solid B grader. Was never an all Australian player but had a few solid seasons over a decade at Carlton until his career rotted at the crows.

2007 number 1 pick was Matt Kreuzer. Played 194 games. Had some injury prone seasons but was solid when fit.


The thing was trading Chris Judd at the end of 2007 helped improved all 3 of those blokes.

Murphy was AA in 2011 and looked like he’d gone up another gear in 2012 but got injured and never reached the same heights.

Gibbs floated between A-grade and B-grade. Finished 9th in the Brownlow in his 3rd season, but never went on to be an elite player despite having pretty much every advantage as a player. Beautiful kick, really clean, good above his head. He had a really strong stint under Bolton, but a huge part of that (IMO) was motivated by wanting to play at the Crows.

Kreuzer was unlucky with injury. Was tracking to become an elite ruckman before he injured his knee in 2010 (?), and then had a number of different injuries after he’d come back. Really similar player to Grundy. Still think he should have been AA over Ryder in 2017.

The club would be happy with the careers of all of those guys. The issue with tanking isn’t necessarily the player you end up with with Pick 1, it’s all the intangibles beyond that. From a Blues POV the club thought things would just click after they added those guys (and Judd) and the whole list build was half baked and unbalanced.

Melbourne suffered years of mediocrity due to tanking and a lot of the guys they ended up taking with premium picks just didn’t work out.

I think clubs now know the long term impact of deliberately mining draft picks and balance being competitive during the Home & Away season with giving exposure to as many young players as possible.

 

[demondavey]

The OP stated from 2000 and Boyd did not win a flag with the Club that drafted him.

Who cares. I stated it.

 

[Toump Ass]

Look at what happened to Melbourne when they decided to tank

You mean when we finished second last and secured Luke Jackson, Trent Rivers and Kozzie Pickett? That was awesome. All three of those dudes won a flag two years later.

 

[GROTTO]

Who cares. I stated it.

I dont care. Not interested.

 

[Freomaniac]

Murphy was AA in 2011 and looked like he’d gone up another gear in 2012 but got injured and never reached the same heights.

Gibbs floated between A-grade and B-grade. Finished 9th in the Brownlow in his 3rd season, but never went on to be an elite player despite having pretty much every advantage as a player. Beautiful kick, really clean, good above his head. He had a really strong stint under Bolton, but a huge part of that (IMO) was motivated by wanting to play at the Crows.

Kreuzer was unlucky with injury. Was tracking to become an elite ruckman before he injured his knee in 2010 (?), and then had a number of different injuries after he’d come back. Really similar player to Grundy. Still think he should have been AA over Ryder in 2017.

The club would be happy with the careers of all of those guys. The issue with tanking isn’t necessarily the player you end up with with Pick 1, it’s all the intangibles beyond that. From a Blues POV the club thought things would just click after they added those guys (and Judd) and the whole list build was half baked and unbalanced.

Melbourne suffered years of mediocrity due to tanking and a lot of the guys they ended up taking with premium picks just didn’t work out.

I think clubs now know the long term impact of deliberately mining draft picks and balance being competitive during the Home & Away season with giving exposure to as many young players as possible.

You were also fortunate that your coach in that period, Brett Ratten, was a half decent coach.

 

[Toump Ass]

The argument isn't that St Kilda were wrong to take Riewoldt because he never won them a flag, it's that tanking for pick 1 hasn't really paid off in the last couple of decades, therefore there's no much point in doing it.

Wait a second.
Nick Riewoldt was an absolute superstar.
It would have been 100% worth it for say, the Bulldogs to have tanked a season to draft him given where theit list was at. They’d probably have another flag or two if they did.

 

[Toump Ass]

Tanking is like a drop punt.
You don’t need to pull it out often, but if you do it right, at the right time… it’s devastating.

Tanking is legit.

 

[Sixpence]

Wait a second.
Nick Riewoldt was an absolute superstar.
It would have been 100% worth it for say, the Bulldogs to have tanked a season to draft him given where theit list was at. They’d probably have another flag or two if they did.

Bulldogs had pick 10 that year. That'd be a hell of a tank!

 

[demondavey]

Tanking is like a drop punt.
You don’t need to pull it out often, but if you do it right, at the right time… it’s devastating.

Tanking is legit.

 

[maskmcgee]

Well let's look at 2009, the top two players from that draft are Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe, would you intentionally lose a game to get one of those other the other?

 

[Toump Ass]

Well let's look at 2009, the top two players from that draft are Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe, would you intentionally lose a game to get one of those other the other?

Would have been amazin( to see another team outtank melbourne in 2009.

 

[La Dispute]

Well let's look at 2009, the top two players from that draft are Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe, would you intentionally lose a game to get one of those other the other?

2009 is a prime example of why you don’t tank.

Scully told the club to GAGF after 2 seasons, Trengove spent a lot of his career injured and ended up being delisted after being unable to get a proper run at it over the course of a decade.

Meanwhile the 3rd pick went on to lead the Tigers to premiership glory multiple times.

Way too much at stake to gamble on the successful career of a teenager.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Nah, just pick them up as a father/son instead.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Looking at those 3 number 1 picks Carlton had in 2005-7.

Marc Murphy was easily the best out of the 3. Your team got 300 games out of him. Sort of surprised he didn't get All Australian in his career. 2011 was the best case he could of got in. Played all 24 games. 700 disposals and 22 goals, 13 behinds.

Bryce Gibbs was the 2006 1st pick. Solid B grader. Was never an all Australian player but had a few solid seasons over a decade at Carlton until his career rotted at the crows.

2007 number 1 pick was Matt Kreuzer. Played 194 games. Had some injury prone seasons but was solid when fit.


The thing was trading Chris Judd at the end of 2007 helped improved all 3 of those blokes.

Ironically the best player we have drafted this century was taken at pick 13 in his draft year (Patrick Cripps)

OP does make some valid points but I disagree strongly that teams tank these days