USA Is the USA the worst nation to exist since classical times?

[Farmer2Goggin]

Australias debt is 60% GDP… the US is 150%

Furthermore the US Tax Reforms have dramatically reduced revenue by a massive extent.
This makes it virtually impossible to Budget for a surplus without huge expenditure reductions.
US won’t touch Defense spend so they either get reductions from other means such as social and welfare programs or continue to budget deficits ……

 

[nut]

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Furthermore the US Tax Reforms have dramatically reduced revenue by a massive extent.
This makes it virtually impossible to Budget for a surplus without huge expenditure reductions.
US won’t touch Defense spend so they either get reductions from other means such as social and welfare programs or continue to budget deficits ……

And that’s why they’ll literally attack anyone that threatens to ditch the US dollar when trading

 

[Seeds]

Australias debt is 60% GDP… the US is 150%

You are looking at the wrong type of debt.

japans government debt is like 260 percent of gdp. And yet no one worries about it. Why? Cos japan has no debt in the debt that actually matters.

the debt that matters is net external debt. This is what the countries citiziens (both the public and government combined) owe in net to other countries. Japans is a net saver. I.e. Its owed more money from foreigners then it owes to foreigners. Usa has net external debt but not a lot. Australia's is through the roof.

when countries get in trouble and face exchange rate crises and go bankrupt its because they have large net external debt problems.

government debt on the other hand is a made up thing. Countries could wipe their government debt today with a stroke of a pen. I actually advocate for governments getting rid of all government debt and to stop pretending they actually have a budget. governments control domestic money. There is no need to have a government budget. It doesnt mean anything as long as you dont have an external debt problem.

 

[Spearman]

Maybe Germany and it's predecessors.
Starting with the sieges and sacking of Rome, all of the Crusades, the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Wars, the Third Reich, the Holocaust and World Wars I and II.

I think the Chinese has dog in this hunt. Go back the Shang 1600 BCE. They've been eff with their neighbors and each other for millennia.

 

[Spearman]

I asked many of my friends and family back home about if the tax relief of 2016 actually benefited Americans. They say yes, but can't say where exactly, except for the stock market. I try to argue about building the middle class, small business owners, and getting more money circulating instead of concentrating in the mega-corps, but they are convinced what was good for the stock buyers and sellers helped everyone. Some people I know don't understand supply-side policies like tax breaks for the wealthy are the same as the trickle down from Reagan. I even got abused by a RWNJ for stating it.
As usual, sending more money back to the wealthy does not equate more jobs, larger middle class, or anything the benefits society as a whole. Concentrating so much wealth in such a small segment of society creates the M shaped economy.
America was greatest economically when the middle class was largest and most dynamic after WW2. The development of the mega-corps, higher salaries and wages at home and cheap foreign manufacturing killed off that golden era.
IMHO

 

[Spearman]

The USA is the most powerful nation on Earth and therefore the most hated. No doubt America has done a lot of good things for the world, but it is very guilty of doing the exact opposite. It's a weird place, they have 4 times the amount of licensed gun dealers than McDonalds stores in the U.S.A. They place more importance on ways of killing people than food? One in four Americans eat at a fast food place daily and it produces enough trash to fill 60,000 garbage trucks each and every day. Getting everyone on board with recycling hasn't been that easy in the USA.
No wonder Crazy Joe mumbles, he's probably chewing down a snickers bar every time he speaks. Where the wrapper goes only Karine Jean-Pierre knows. It's leadership is currently the weakest they have had in history and the Russians and Chinese know it and to say America's foreign policy is a bit shortsighted sometimes would be a massive understatement.

So many things not to like about America, yet Australians love visiting the place, their culture, their sports, their celebrities and we have embraced their fast food. We are just as guilty of world wide "globesity" as anyone else. Then there is the drugs, Americans spend approximatley 100 billion dollars on drugs every year, they probably put more meth on their cereal than Corn Flakes. They are our closest friends!
I've been a few times, i've seen the good and the bad, what i didn't exoect to be the most shocking was attending Madison Square Garden on March 17th 1996 when Brett Hart and The Undertaker took on Shawn Michaels and Kevin Nash in front of 17,000 rabid fans, it was totally insane as Nash (Diesal) clobbers his tag team partner with a chair and double crosses him and the crowd goes wild. I remember thinking at the time "This is America"!

I used to think, idealistically I admit, that we were pretty good; educated, principled, etc. But I changed my mind a while ago that the world of pro wrestling is a good window on the US. Some who see it as just entertainment, but always those who take it to heart, and are rabid believers.

 

[Spearman]

I think opinions on both sides of the Pacific are formed mostly by impressions they get from television programmes and films, neither are accurate pictures of Australian or American culture. The inner suburbanites might be influenced a bit more than we'd like to think? Admittedly, i haven't been to the USA since 1996 and 4 times before that, i shudder to think what it's like now and i really have no interest in visiting again.

What? Aus is not all crocodile hunters in a hellish post-apocalyptic landscape? Disappointing.

Actually I agree with a comment about the Americans being cultureless consumerists. I left to live abroad partially because I was sick and tired of the strip malls that were everywhere.

 

[nut]

What? Aus is not all crocodile hunters in a hellish post-apocalyptic landscape? Disappointing.

Actually I agree with a comment about the Americans being cultureless consumerists. I left to live abroad partially because I was sick and tired of the strip malls that were everywhere.

Strip Malls sound great…

 

[Spearman]

Strip Malls sound great…

there's an alley in Bangkok which is a much better take on the idea than Suburbia, USA

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Wilcox! OMG.

 

[owen87]

Wilcox! OMG.View attachment 1643339

Sad but accurate.

 

[Not Important]

now here is a man worth voting for.

 

[Blue1980]

Yes, the United States was socialist until the 1980s, that’s why the Cold War didn’t begin until Ronald Reagan was elected President.

Let’s try to have some kind of grasp of reality when we make our arguments.

Socialism doesn’t equal communism.

At the same time US was never socialist, more social welfare measures before Reagan and since however.

 

[nut]

The US getting a lecture about what prison systems actually work!!!!

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

there's an alley in Bangkok which is a much better take on the idea than Suburbia, USA

PatPong for Ping Pong!

 

[Nikita Blue]

 

[CD Xbow]

There are powerful national myths in the US about 'self made men' and folks who pull themselves up by there bootstraps. This article looks at some of the downsides to this (eg blame the poor) as well as suggesting a different view.

A national bullying of the poor: the trouble with America’s bootstrapping myth

Centuries of American thought support a hypocritical ideology that can be difficult to escape even when we want to

www.theguardian.com

I had to have a chuckle when I read this:

'The cringey Ayn Rand novels that shout we must all survive on our own may be worshipped by wealthy technologists, but Rand herself became dependent in later life, relying on social security and Medicare.'

One major difference between the US and Oz is that Australians are fundamentally more conciliatory and have a greater sense of the social cohesion. This was pointed out to me decades ago by a very clever US Doc who was in charge of trying to get Clintoncare up and running. He'd come to Oz to look at Medicare. We were discussing why the US wasn't able to have a universal health care system. He felt the main difference between the US and us was that we valued public services much more, liked consensus and didn't see ourselves so much as rugged individualists rather as part of a community. There were other factors to (fear based lobbying of the 'wealthcare' industry) but he felt cultural differences were fundamental.

 

[fishardansin]

nut I started this thread. Dimmy Jaw is banned. The only thing a grifter like him is good for is an example of what is wrong with that shithole.

Also, the US was definitely not founded on socialism. First, there was genocidal settler colonialism and slavery. Following that they had robber barons and a private army that ensured unionism was difficult and dangerous. Then there was the roaring 20s and endemic gangsterism. Only then, was there some social democracy introduced by Roosevelt. While that built the most prosperous period in their history, it was done against the backdrop of their genocidal fight against socialism and communism around the globe. Finally, Reaganism killed that off.

 

[nut]

nut I started this thread. Dimmy Jaw is banned. The only thing a grifter like him is good for is an example of what is wrong with that shithole.

Also, the US was definitely not founded on socialism. First, there was genocidal settler colonialism and slavery. Following that they had robber barons and a private army that ensured unionism was difficult and dangerous. Then there was the roaring 20s and endemic gangsterism. Only then, was there some social democracy introduced by Roosevelt. While that built the most prosperous period in their history, it was done against the backdrop of their genocidal fight against socialism and communism around the globe. Finally, Reaganism killed that off.

When Cucker Tarlson interviews Dimmy Jaw on his show, you know the country is beyond saving…
And those doomsday weirdos that have been prepping and building shelters are going to look pretty well prepared soon … literally.

 

[fishardansin]

When Cucker Tarlson interviews Dimmy Jaw on his show, you know the country is beyond saving…
And those doomsday weirdos that have been prepping and building shelters are going to look pretty well prepared soon … literally.

I still think the hungry hordes will overrun them! You can only use one AR15 at a time.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Sickening.

 

[Spearman]

Sickening.

They are your basic ultra-rural local scum with no moral compasses, who've gotten to position of power in their tiny pond. That county is fairly remote and next to some of the old Indian rezzes from 19th century. One can only imagine the culture of an area that has not had a lot of change DNA wise through the generations.

 

[Seeds]

nut I started this thread. Dimmy Jaw is banned. The only thing a grifter like him is good for is an example of what is wrong with that shithole.

Also, the US was definitely not founded on socialism. First, there was genocidal settler colonialism and slavery. Following that they had robber barons and a private army that ensured unionism was difficult and dangerous. Then there was the roaring 20s and endemic gangsterism. Only then, was there some social democracy introduced by Roosevelt. While that built the most prosperous period in their history, it was done against the backdrop of their genocidal fight against socialism and communism around the globe. Finally, Reaganism killed that off.

Great can you change you thread title then unless you are trying to argue the usa is worse then both russia, china and all the various tin pot dictatorships across the planet?

can i suggest changing it to the "usa is a dump and heres why?"

 

[fishardansin]

Great can you change you thread title then unless you are trying to argue the usa is worse then both russia, china and all the various tin pot dictatorships across the planet?

can i suggest changing it to the "usa is a dump and heres why?"

Sorry, have those tin pot dictatorships run 4 centuries of chattel slavery on land that they stole by genociding up to 70 million people on?

Currently, the USA is worse than China for the rest of the world. Russia is invading another country right now and should be condemned (and hopefully defeated on the battlefield), but they still are not close to the atrocity that was Vietnam, and then Iraq and Afghanistan. What Russia does in ex Soviet nations with interfering etc is not as bad as the US in Central America. However, what makes the behaviour of the US more galling is that they act like their some sort of light on the hill that can be the world police.

 

[DickieKnee]

Sorry, have those tin pot dictatorships run 4 centuries of chattel slavery on land that they stole by genociding up to 70 million people on?

Currently, the USA is worse than China for the rest of the world. Russia is invading another country right now and should be condemned (and hopefully defeated on the battlefield), but they still are not close to the atrocity that was Vietnam, and then Iraq and Afghanistan. What Russia does in ex Soviet nations with interfering etc is not as bad as the US in Central America. However, what makes the behaviour of the US more galling is that they act like their some sort of light on the hill that can be the world police.

I suggest you read up on history s bit

Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org