Its Time For Trigg To Resign.

[Crow-eater]

Latest news reports have ASADA telling the players they very may well be in the clear.

However, it's pretty much been proved they took AOD (Tim Watson said it after the parents had been briefed, HUN has seen documents, Dank etc)

If ASADA don't ban the players, can they hurt the club? Or is that up to Vlad? Because if it's up to him, expect Melbourne type penalties.

 

[1970crow]

The above question still stands and is open to anyone.

Mate, I doubt even the great trigg himself, could mount a decent argument in the affirmative.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Mate, I doubt even the great trigg himself, could mount a decent argument in the affirmative.

I'm sure he can, no one with half a brain believes the shit he talks but we all know he believes his own shit.

He would spin some crap.

 

[jenny61_99]

Not too sure what kind of authority ASADA have. I know they have banned a few national athletes but not sure about athletes from a competition like the AFL. Will be interesting to see how the NRL handle it on their side of things too. The AFL will want to come out looking cleaner than them considering the ground they are trying to make up in NSW/QLD.

ASADA make recommendations of sanctions. AFL take these into consideration and make their own ruling (including any penalties for Clubs and/or personnel). If AFL decide to lessen a sanction, ASADA have the ability to appeal their to decision to the CAS.

 

[jenny61_99]

Latest news reports have ASADA telling the players they very may well be in the clear.

However, it's pretty much been proved they took AOD (Tim Watson said it after the parents had been briefed, HUN has seen documents, Dank etc)

If ASADA don't ban the players, can they hurt the club? Or is that up to Vlad? Because if it's up to him, expect Melbourne type penalties.

The biggest danger here is the precedent this sets. If the players get off on a technicality (so far there is a compelling argument that they were given AOD9604 - the Dank/Hird texts, Charters testimony of the compounds he supplied Dank, and Tim Watson's comments that the Club had confirmed the players had been give an anti-obesity drug), that sets a precedent for every Club that they can use these types of drugs as long as they are sourced through a compounding pharmacist. ASADA cannot, I believe, force penalties on the Club - although WADA are now (because of the Dank assertions that he gave illegal substances to coaches) considering changing the rules so that coaches and other personnel are also prohibited from taking banned substances.

Vlad is under pressure to now find Essendon - regardless of outcome for the players - has brought the game/brand into disrepute. As someone said above, this is far worse than what we did. Anything less than we got will be an absolute joke.

 

[JP Sauce]

Latest news reports have ASADA telling the players they very may well be in the clear.

However, it's pretty much been proved they took AOD (Tim Watson said it after the parents had been briefed, HUN has seen documents, Dank etc)

If ASADA don't ban the players, can they hurt the club? Or is that up to Vlad? Because if it's up to him, expect Melbourne type penalties.

Melbourne type penalties? That's bad news for us.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Melbourne type penalties? That's bad news for us.

Goodwin to come back to AFC as an assistant. All the blame for the drugs saga on Goody as he suggested Dank to Hirdy, so he is suspended for a year (on the eve of round 1). Dons told not to go near Dank again.

 

[cmndstab]

On that Indaily article, it's a bit ridiculous to talk about a lack of action on the Essendon staffers before a decision has actually been reached. Wait to see what they end up being guilty of, then question whether they deal with the responsible parties appropriately.

 

[Sanders]

Why is this bloke peddling the apocryphal line that trigg canceled the deal verbally

That's a pants on fire defense line for stephen

 

[jenny61_99]

Why is this bloke peddling the apocryphal line that trigg canceled the deal verbally

That's a pants on fire defense line for stephen

Because it's the truth. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it is what happened. Trigg's biggest mistake was to not get that in writing. Blucher's excuse that he "could not recall" the conversation where Trigg called it off was that he was "going through a break-up with his wife at the time" so he was too emotional to recall things. You only make up excuses like that if you have something to hide.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Because it's the truth. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it is what happened. Trigg's biggest mistake was to not get that in writing. Blucher's excuse that he "could not recall" the conversation where Trigg called it off was that he was "going through a break-up with his wife at the time" so he was too emotional to recall things. You only make up excuses like that if you have something to hide.

Out of interest, what objective evidence can you bring my attention to that would demonstrate this as an indisputable fact?

 

[jenny61_99]

Out of interest, what objective evidence can you bring my attention to that would demonstrate this as an indisputable fact?

Horses mouth? I can't offer you indisputable objective proof. You either believe it or you don't. I said it here months ago, and now someone else has come out with it too.

 

[Allefgib]

Irrespective of it being true or otherwise - it is what was said as an explanation.

 

[Allefgib]

Horses mouth? I can't offer you indisputable objective proof. You either believe it or you don't. I said it here months ago, and now someone else has come out with it too.

Was actually an indaily reporter Jen.

Not sure if you're familiar with indaily but its a subscription based news provider in Adelaide (off the back of a printed version called independent news weekly from back in 2004) that loves having pot shots at the advertiser and arguably has more critical/intelligent content than the mainstream news.

I'd be more inclined to believe something an indaily reporter has written than the crapvertiser. But its till only hearsay at this point.

My concern is, IF true that he verbally did something - the board SHOULD have been informed and action taken before hand. I refer back to the ziggy report recommendations 5 through 8. Should be reviewed by the AFC and considered deeply.

 

[Malibu#27]

Horses mouth? I can't offer you indisputable objective proof. You either believe it or you don't. I said it here months ago, and now someone else has come out with it too.

To play the devils advocate, it would be pretty easy for the horse to fabricate that story to defend his actions, being verbal means there's no audit trail, hence no way to prove it either way.

You would think that cancelling a written agreement verbally would be a risky way of doing thing ?
If I owed a mate 10K and we had a written agreement, I wouldn't accept feel comfortable that the debt had been paid until I had a written receipt.

Basically, either the horse is fabricating the verbal change to the agreement, or he's bloody stupid for not getting it in writing.

Regardless of that fact surely the fact there was an illegal agreement there in the first place that needed to be retrospectively terminated is a cause for concern in itself.

 

[MrKK]

Because it's the truth. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it is what happened. Trigg's biggest mistake was to not get that in writing. Blucher's excuse that he "could not recall" the conversation where Trigg called it off was that he was "going through a break-up with his wife at the time" so he was too emotional to recall things. You only make up excuses like that if you have something to hide.

Where has the bolded information come from? A quote from Blucher or official source i.e. from his hearing with the AFLPA?

 

[Allefgib]

To play the devils advocate, it would be pretty easy for the horse to fabricate that story to defend his actions, being verbal means there's no audit trail, hence no way to prove it either way.

You would think that cancelling a written agreement verbally would be a risky way of doing thing ?
If I owed a mate 10K and we had a written agreement, I wouldn't accept feel comfortable that the debt had been paid until I had a written receipt.

Basically, either the horse is fabricating the verbal change to the agreement, or he's bloody stupid for not getting it in writing.

Regardless of that fact surely the fact there was an illegal agreement there in the first place that needed to be retrospectively terminated is a cause for concern in itself.

Spot on.

And the fact that it never got escalated to board level (apparently) in and amongst all that inappropriateness.

Should be gone.

 

[Allefgib]

Where has the bolded information come from? A quote from Blucher or official source i.e. from his hearing with the AFLPA?

I'd like to be privvy to that too thanks Jen. I kinda dialled out on what happened to Blucher after all the crap the club went through. May help me view things differently I guess, so if you have the links I'd be keen to see them.

 

[Heafy83]

ASADA make recommendations of sanctions. AFL take these into consideration and make their own ruling (including any penalties for Clubs and/or personnel). If AFL decide to lessen a sanction, ASADA have the ability to appeal their to decision to the CAS.

Ok cheers for that

 

[Cap]

Spot on.

And the fact that it never got escalated to board level (apparently) in and amongst all that inappropriateness.

Should be gone.

That is the part that completely mystifys me - surely at that point the alarm bells are ringing

you get it in writing and your put it up the line.

 

[OzSparrow]

Spot on.

And the fact that it never got escalated to board level (apparently) in and amongst all that inappropriateness.

Should be gone.

And Chapman's role in all this was....?

Where does the buck stop in the AFC? What is the diffference between David Evans and Rob Chapman?

If he did know then he should go. If he didn't know then he should have known. If he should have known and conveniently wanted to bury his head in the sand in relation to negotiating the contract for our highest paid and profiled player at the time then I seriously query what exactly is his role in the club?

He should be gone!

Wonder if Ziggy could pop over to West Lakes for a quick spin around the AFC governance processes?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

On that Indaily article, it's a bit ridiculous to talk about a lack of action on the Essendon staffers before a decision has actually been reached. Wait to see what they end up being guilty of, then question whether they deal with the responsible parties appropriately.

Interesting how the doctors letter raising the concerns has just gone missing. Who didn't act on it - Hamilton, CEO? This is far bigger than Tippett-gate, when it comes to a breakdown in accountability.

 

[jenny61_99]

That is the part that completely mystifys me - surely at that point the alarm bells are ringing

you get it in writing and your put it up the line.

Of course you do! You won't get any argument from me.

I know there is a long back story to all this, and I'm not at liberty to share. For me, though, it answers some of these questions (but not all). And while the cynic in some of you say "well that's a convenient story", I know the man well, and I am confident he is telling the truth. But like I said before, you'll believe what you want to believe. It's just nice to hear this come from another person other than me.

 

[jenny61_99]

Interesting how the doctors letter raising the concerns has just gone missing. Who didn't act on it - Hamilton, CEO? This is far bigger than Tippett-gate, when it comes to a breakdown in accountability.

And it was conveniently a hand written letter - ah, no electronic copies! Of course if it concerned him that much, and he hadn't heard back from either Hird or Evans, wouldn't you think he'd say "hey, how come you didn't respond to my letter?" So many convenient things happening...

 

[jenny61_99]

I'd like to be privvy to that too thanks Jen. I kinda dialled out on what happened to Blucher after all the crap the club went through. May help me view things differently I guess, so if you have the links I'd be keen to see them.

You know where I got that from.