Player Watch Jack Ginnivan (Traded to P&W 2023)

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SchuPie said:
Personally, thought it was a 5 week penalty, guilty plea or no.
If you want to send a message about violence and fair-play, this was the chance.
Wasn't accidental - A deliberate, forceful act that could have caused serious damage. Terrible look for the game.
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I agree with you ShuPie, was a low act, a dog act, a complete mongrel thing to do. He deliberately tried to inflict pain and possible injury onto a player at a stoppage who was not in a position to defend himself at the time. Exactly the sort of violent and illegal action the AFL should be trying to stamp right out of the game. The optics on it on TV were awful, looked like thuggery and the fact he wasn't injured was pretty much just luck.
Kids watching the game could form the opinion that this is just how you should deal with a cheeky little forward when he kicks a goal! Two weeks is hardly going to discourage that.
 
ThePhreshOne said:
Cody Weightman has entered the conversation.
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Weightman is fun to watch and gets a mention in the conversation.
But Ginnivan has him covered.
Cody must have gone at a much higher pick, has played more footy, isn’t as accurate and does go missing some games.
Watching him last year, I wanted a player like him.
We found a better one.

Maybe Bailey Fritsch deserves a mention too.

Thanks for stopping by.
I do like watching Weightman play.
 
rand corp said:
I agree with you ShuPie, was a low act, a dog act, a complete mongrel thing to do. He deliberately tried to inflict pain and possible injury onto a player at a stoppage who was not in a position to defend himself at the time. Exactly the sort of violent and illegal action the AFL should be trying to stamp right out of the game. The optics on it on TV were awful, looked like thuggery and the fact he wasn't injured was pretty much just luck.
Kids watching the game could form the opinion that this is just how you should deal with a cheeky little forward when he kicks a goal! Two weeks is hardly going to discourage that.
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Imagine the outrage if De Goey performed an action like that. The media would be calling for a season ban.
 

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random260 said:
Just saw his Fremantle goal. I reckon he could be part of your leadership team or captain.

Emotion, Vulnerability, and a passion. Majority of footballer treat it like 9-5 but Ginnivan stands out.

He reminds me of Toby Greene without being a dick. He needs a better PR team and shift the narrative of riling people up to just showing raw emotion and happy to be there.

I guarantee if you ask Jack is he purposely being a dick and riling people up he would say no. He is just happy to be there. So why do you guys (Pendlebury) accept the narrative I don't understand
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Would love to have Toby as well playing alongside Ginni


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The Phantom said:
Weightman is fun to watch and gets a mention in the conversation.
But Ginnivan has him covered.
Cody must have gone at a much higher pick, has played more footy, isn’t as accurate and does go missing some games.
Watching him last year, I wanted a player like him.
We found a better one.

Maybe Bailey Fritsch deserves a mention too.

Thanks for stopping by.
I do like watching Weightman play.
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Yeah I think that’s all reasonable. Weightman I think I read has had one of the best starts to a career for a small forward.

But he should have as well given he’s one of the higher drafted small forwards I can remember being in the first round.

Bailey Fritsch - nobody loves what he does. Ginnivan I think at this stage is universally in the category of “love what he does but hate when he does it against my team”.
 
domus said:
I agree. It annoys me when Fly has a dig and says maybe he should kick the goal first before he celebrates. He doesn't understand how much the Collingwood crowd have been waiting for another young gun to excite and inflame their passion. Why throw a wet blanket over him? Undoubtedly he will stuff up and miss a sitter or get distracted and make a mistake but that's part of the package. Stop trying to crush the personality in players. It is great for the game. If he gets an early one against the Blues it will set both sets of supporters alight and helps create genuine feeling in the game-something many games lack.
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I tend to agree with Fly, he should celebrate after kicking the goal. Don't get me wrong, I love to watch him and the way he expresses himself on the field. Imagine the amount of egg on his face if he missed the goal or someone tackled him. I know he couldn't have missed that goal, but with time and if he keeps doing it he is bound to make a mistake. How will everyone react if and when that happens? So far he has been great, but everyone will have an off day or be out of form. He is bound to have his share of off days as well. All will be after his blood when that happens.

Do more of the slippery weaving stuff he did against the Suns, and do any celebration he wants after kicking the goal, not before.

Kudos to him though, for his confidence and the excitement he brings. We haven't had that since Stevo lit us up during 2018.
 
foreigner said:
I tend to agree with Fly, he should celebrate after kicking the goal.
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It just happened to be to the end the Freo cheer squad were at.
My guess is they were mouthing of at him, (as all cheer squads do).
He did a Plugger, (without the dangerous kick).
 
gouki88 said:
Watching highlights of his season to date, his forward craft is unbelievable, especially for an 80 kilo 19 year-old. He just "gets it"
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We can see why, at one stage, Knightmare rated him as a top 10 prospect.
Interesting that Reef & Fin are there as well.
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Even later in the year still had him top 20, so to get him as a rookie is a big win.
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JuniorB said:
We can see why, at one stage, Knightmare rated him as a top 10 prospect.
Interesting that Reef & Fin are there as well.
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Even later in the year still had him top 20, so to get him as a rookie is a big win.
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"Draws high frees" was a fairly astute observation.
 
ThePhreshOne said:
Yeah I think that’s all reasonable. Weightman I think I read has had one of the best starts to a career for a small forward.

But he should have as well given he’s one of the higher drafted small forwards I can remember being in the first round.

Bailey Fritsch - nobody loves what he does. Ginnivan I think at this stage is universally in the category of “love what he does but hate when he does it against my team”.
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ThePhreshOne said:
But he should have as well given he’s one of the higher drafted small forwards I can remember being in the first round.

Bailey Fritsch - nobody loves what he does. Ginnivan I think at this stage is universally in the category of “love what he does but hate when he does it against my team”.
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I don’t think anyone loves playing for high kicks
 
cwoodgal said:
McRae mentioned that Ginni was a bit sore but got through training but not certain he'll line up on Sunday. I'd be lying if I said I'm not nervous should he not play on Sunday

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He looks alright to me. I'm sure we'll see him line up.
 
foreigner said:
I tend to agree with Fly, he should celebrate after kicking the goal. Don't get me wrong, I love to watch him and the way he expresses himself on the field. Imagine the amount of egg on his face if he missed the goal or someone tackled him. I know he couldn't have missed that goal, but with time and if he keeps doing it he is bound to make a mistake. How will everyone react if and when that happens? So far he has been great, but everyone will have an off day or be out of form. He is bound to have his share of off days as well. All will be after his blood when that happens.

Do more of the slippery weaving stuff he did against the Suns, and do any celebration he wants after kicking the goal, not before.

Kudos to him though, for his confidence and the excitement he brings. We haven't had that since Stevo lit us up during 2018.
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Do you remember how you felt during the 2010 GF replay?

I don’t mean “How do you feel about it now?” knowing we won. Or any of that “I always thought we were going to win” rubbish …

… I mean how you felt at the time, in that moment. That gut wrenching anxiety knowing how many GF’s we had made it too (heaps) yet how many of those we’d actually won (not enough). You only had to think back to the previous week for that perspective.

And remember how much of a weight was lifted when it looked like we would actually win the game? That surreal feeling that we would actually be the Premiers? It felt like an out-of-body experience.

So that’s a bit like what watching Ginnivan run into an open goal, taking a bounce, and celebrating before kicking it. Travis Cloke or Anthony Rocca at their best would have tripped over their own boot laces if they so much as thought about those antics. Travis Cloke actually once missed a set shot from the goal square directly in front.

Watching the Jack Ginnivan show is a bit like that 2010 GF replay out-of-body experience. We’re nervously expecting for him to screw up, for egg to wipe the smile off that cheeky face …

… and yet he just keeps on turning up and rubbing the opposition’s faces into a freshly minted dog turd. And getting away with it.

I gotta say, it’s not anything like what being a Collingwood supporter is normally about, but I am kinda enjoying it!
 
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Only other players i can remember with youthful enthusiasm and confidence on the field in their first handfull of games is Dids and Daisy.

Dont expect the kid to change his ways , let him be natural and enjoy the ride. Will create so many great memories for us supporters.
 
There is a reason Jack Ginnivan is extremely popular among kids. He plays like he’s still 12.

He kicks goals. He draws head-high free kicks. He celebrates even before he kicks goals. He is cheeky, funny and annoying all at the same time. He plays footy like it’s a game not a career. Watching him play, he can’t hide his joy. He is having fun, living his best life.

You sense he’d be the same playing under 12s in Castlemaine. In fact, we know that is exactly how he’d be because those who have known him all his life say so.
David Meade ran the footy program at Bendigo Secondary College and was football operations manager at the Bendigo Pioneers. His son is good friends with Jack; they played footy together and sat next to one another in English.

“He is playing no different to when he was [in the] under 12s. He is a larrikin, always has been. But I think he is a bit misjudged,” Meade said.
“He just loves footy and loves his teammates. He has huge empathy for his teammates. He got off-side with some of his teachers because he was all footy, but he was really respectful with the footy program and his teammates and coaches, and was really diligent about his work with footy.

“I worked with him at school, so I got the side of some of the teachers saying he was a shithead, we can’t control him – not all the teachers – and they wanted to exit him out but for us, in the footy program, he was an angel and very respectful. We love him.”

It’s not a picture that is difficult to imagine.

His cheeky nature means he is loved by Collingwood fans and loathed by others. He is the kid who people want to see get his comeuppance.
Which is why twice in his eight games this year, players have been suspended for trying to hurt him in packs. Richmond’s Rhyan Mansell was suspended for dropping an elbow on his head at the bottom of a pack. Twice.
Last week, Sam Switkowski ripped Ginnivan’s arm up his back in a chicken wing tackle. Switkowski pleaded guilty and was banned for two matches.
Everything at Collingwood this year has tended to orbit around Ginnivan. He was criticised for over-celebrating a win because he was a 19-year-old kid in charge of the club GoPro after a game, and he whooped it up. What’d you want him to do?
The criticism was as over the top as the celebration. He was not chastened, he did not shrink from attention. He chopped off his ponytail and dyed his hair white.

He won the Anzac Medal while taunting the braying Essendon fans to shut up on the biggest non-finals day on football’s calendar. He had not yet played 10 games.
He then went out celebrating and this time it was his club that told him to pull his head in with the celebrations – players had been told not to go out for beers with a short turn-around between games.

He won a Rising Star award nomination. He won goal of the round.
Throughout it all, he has continued to kick goals. This has been the narrative of his whole football journey. He kicks goals. He is one of those players who could be blindfolded and dropped in a bowl of porridge, and he’d still know where the goals were.

This year, he has kicked 19 goals from eight games. From his 13 career games, he has 25 goals. The best small forwards aim for two goals a game across a career. Stephen Milne was better than that with 574 goals in 275 games, Eddie Betts was less than two a game for 640 goals in 350 games, and Luke Breust has 459 goals in his 248 games.
Of course, the longer the career, the harder to sustain levels but starting a career is also difficult, and Ginnivan has started his with an uncanny ability to hit the scoreboard. It helps that he has been accurate – 25 goals, 13 behinds.

One of the youngest players in his draft year, he was the 13th pick in the 2020 rookie draft. The Bendigo Pioneers were stunned when he was not drafted in the national draft. They thought he was a top-20 pick.
Collingwood, too, were surprised. It is not revising history to say they had him highly rated, for colleague Jake Niall was in their room on draft night for The Age and knows they ranked him the 40th player. They ran out of picks before getting to him but were pleasantly surprised he was there in the rookie draft.

Danny O’Bree was Ginnivan’s coach at the Bendigo Pioneers. Like Meade, he worked with him at Bendigo Secondary and at Golden Square. He feels Ginnivan might have been one of the players in the COVID-19 period that recruiters didn’t see enough of to judge accurately.
Ginnivan might also have been a player who was rated down for what he couldn’t do. He is not that quick for a small forward in an era when clubs value tackle pressure as highly as goals. But he just kicks goals.

Famously, he kicked 100 goals in a season as an 11-year-old for Newstead near Ballarat, the same club for which his father, Craig, kicked a club record 129 goals in 1993. Craig, famously, was his coach the year his son kicked his ton and to stop him overtaking his 129-goal record, he sent him to the back line in his last game.
What was as notable that season from an 11-year-old was not that he kicked 100, but he finished the season with astonishing accuracy – 119.14.

After the Anzac Day game in which he won the medal, Ginnivan’s smile turned deadly serious when asked about goalkicking, and he replied: “That’s what I get paid for.” He plays football joyously, but he is deadly serious about it.
“He works harder at it than anyone. He is good on both feet, bends the ball both ways,” Meade said.
“He has always worked on it, he was always staying behind doing goalkicking and really nailing his set shots. He would be there after training just goalkicking. Others stay back and do half-a-dozen shots for five minutes, but he would be there for an hour until he was nailing shot after shot. He has a really good routine now he trusts.”
Over summer, Ginnivan worked hard on his own program and built his body for football. His body shape changed discernibly year on year.
He is very much a Castlemaine boy and loves the mates he has there. He trained with his mates and the local team several times over summer. He got his life-saving certificate and went back and got a job at Castlemaine pool as a lifeguard.

A fortnight ago, he was back in town to watch his sister play footy. One of the coaches saw him and wandered over to chat. Ginnivan immediately asked where his kids were, so he could go and have a kick with them.

He is also friendly with Castlemaine’s most famous son, Dustin Martin. Richmond did a training session at Castlemaine a few years ago, and, according to Meade and O’Bree, Martin got to the oval and was asking, “where’s Ginny?“, and made a bee-line for Ginnivan when he saw him.

“The picture that’s painted of him is not really him. He is a larrikin but he is a real student of the game, and he has a real drive to succeed,” O’Bree said.

“He takes his opportunities. He only has to have it 10 times and he will kick you seven or eight. He did that at Golden Square in one of his first under-18s games, he kicked seven or so from maybe 10 kicks.”

Goals come regularly, as do free kicks. He has always been able to draw high-contact free kicks, lifting an arm in tackles or bending and leaning at the right moment for the tackle to go high.
“He has always done that. Every time he would go up a grade – he played under 16s when he was 14, and you thought the bigger kids would tackle better and he would get found out, but he never did. He was too smart. The same when he went up to under 18s, then VFL, now AFL, they never worked it out. Joel [Selwood, another former Bendigo Pioneer] was exactly the same, he used to do that in juniors and you thought they would work out how to play him but they never did,” Meade said.
Collingwood’s leaders have been struck by Ginnivan’s high football IQ, rating it in the top few players they’d seen for his intuitive understanding and reading of the game. When Jamie Elliott was out recently, it was Ginnivan who was organising the forwards.
“He prides himself on being like a Toby Greene but I think he has the qualities of a Luke Breust. His footy IQ gets him to unbelievable spots and gives him the opportunity to have shots on goal. He has done a couple of nice things but he just gets the job done like Breust,” O’Bree said.

“He has a really good goalkicking routine, he flushes everything. He knows his range, he knows exactly what he is doing.
“He works hard at it, but he is also a smart footballer. We put him on a back flank in an under-15s rep game, the V-Line Cup, because I wanted to play him out of position and see what he had and how we could set up the field. He had 40 possessions from half-back flank and kicked five.”
Both O’Bree and Meade say he enjoys riling opposition players and supporters – and some teachers at school who wanted him expelled – but typically, he winds them up in the right, harmless way.
“Definitely, he gets under the skin but in my opinion, he does it in a respectful way. He has got that cheeky grin,” O’Bree said.
“I don’t think he goes outside the lines either. I have spoken to a number of players on AFL lists that have played with him, and they are loving it. Anyone that knows him is absolutely loving watching this all unfold. We all know what he is like, and he just loves footy.

“His empathy for his mates is understated. He carries on and you think he thinks it’s about him, but he’s not like that. He’s just being a kid.”
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76woodenspooners said:
Do you remember how you felt during the 2010 GF replay?

I don’t mean “How do you feel about it now?” knowing we won. Or any of that “I always thought we were going to win” rubbish …

… I mean how you felt at the time, in that moment. That gut wrenching anxiety knowing how many GF’s we had made it too (heaps) yet how many of those we’d actually won (not enough). You only had to think back to the previous week for that perspective.

And remember how much of a weight was lifted when it looked like we would actually win the game? That surreal feeling that we would actually be the Premiers? It felt like an out-of-body experience.

So that’s a bit like what watching Ginnivan run into an open goal, taking a bounce, celebrating, before kicking it. Travis Cloke or Anthony Rocca at their best would have tripped over their own boot laces if they even thought about any of those antics. Travis Cloke actually once missed a set shot from the goal square directly in front.

Watching the Jack Ginnivan show is a bit like that 2010 GF replay out-of-body experience. We’re nervously expecting for him to screw up, for that egg on appear on that cheeky face …

… and yet he just keeps on turning up and rubbing the opposition’s faces into a freshly minted dog turd, and cheekily getting away with it.

I gotta say, it’s not anything like what being a Collingwood supporter is normally about, but I am enjoying it!
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And in the wet!!!!!! had already witnessed Crisp attempt a bounce earlier in the game and completely botch it. Ginni knew what he was doing…. He deliberately and carefully bounced the ball flat and hard to make sure it bounced back in his hands. That’s the sign of a natural footballer who spend every day of his childhood with a footy in his hands .
 
Would imagine that he’ll end up in the leadership group sooner rather than later.

Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he ends up captain one day (Nobody would have picked that Nick Maxwell in his second year was destined to be captain), but think VC is probably more likely.
 
OniAu said:
Saw someone else quote this and thought it was made after the weekend.

Do you still have the same thoughts after another couple of games with multiple goals

Agree it is a tough position. Betts , Milne are the two best in recent memory to perform pretty consistently.

Probably more important question , what are you looking for in a best 22 small forward if Jack isnt it
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Ginnivan is more likely than McCreery.
He is a proven goal kicker and has shown to be a big game player. Also I doubt many kids under 15 games get the same level of attention Ginnivan gets both off-field and on-field where he seems to be a target, yet still can thrive.

This kid has the temperament and skill to be a good long term player for us. Also has the ability to play further up the field which he showed in his 20+ disposal game.

Not sure why some don’t think he has a career ahead of him. He sure has surprised me.
 
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