Moved Thread Kissing opposition players, when does it become sexual harassment?

[Leather Poisoning]

There are some allowances in assault laws for sporting contests. There are no such allowances for sexual assault/harassment.

Short version...Would you reasonably expect it when walking onto the field?

I dunno, mcveigh was engaging in, what could only be described as overt nuzzling prior to the incident.

Sexual harassment usually includes an element of it being unwanted, but mcveigh was certainly acting like he wanted some face to face intimacy until he suddenly flipped and punched Langford in the threat.

If someone is rubbing their face against yours is it reasonable to think they're inviting you to kiss them?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Short version...Would you reasonably expect it when walking onto the field?

Yes.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Pretty sure you can't elbow a workmate in the ribs or hip and shoulder them while they aren't looking either, yet those things happen in AFL all the time.

Haha could you imagine it? Your boss is photocopying something and you just crunch him with both knees square in the back.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

There are some allowances in assault laws for sporting contests. There are no such allowances for sexual assault/harassment.

Short version...Would you reasonably expect it when walking onto the field?

Players pat opposition players on the bum all the time. That's sexual harassment as well.

What about sledging on the field? Should that be regarded as workplace bullying and treated accordingly?

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Haha could you imagine it? Your boss is photocopying something and you just crunch him with both knees square in the back.

I think it's only legal in offices if you call out something like "Modraaa!!!!" or "Jesaulenkooo!!!" when you do it.

 

[Bombermania]

The normal HR approach to any form of harassment is that it becomes harassment when someone within that workplace and it does not have to be the person directly involved so it could be anyone who saw Langford kiss McVeigh lodges a complaint. The intent of the person carrying out the act is irrelevant because the issue is how the person making the complaint reacts to it. This is something people who moan about these issues often overlook because despite what some may think, the harassment rules are gender neutral so a man can complain about being sexually harassed.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I think it's only legal in offices if you call out something like "Modraaa!!!!" or "Jesaulenkooo!!!" when you do it.

Then when you get hauled into HR you have to explain that you had your eyes on the stapler the whole time

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The normal HR approach to any form of harassment is that it becomes harassment when someone within that workplace and it does not have to be the person directly involved so it could be anyone who saw Langford kiss McVeigh lodges a complaint. The intent of the person carrying out the act is irrelevant because the issue is how the person making the complaint reacts to it. This is something people who moan about these issues often overlook because despite what some may think, the harassment rules are gender neutral so a man can complain about being sexually harassed.

It differs from workplace to workplace.

What's written may be gender neutral but the interpretations rarely are.

 

[Bombermania]

It differs from workplace to workplace.

What's written may be gender neutral but the interpretations rarely are.

There may be some variation and what you can get away with in some workplaces would be straight up sackable in other workplaces although they are usually very different industries with different work cultures but even within the same industry you will see different employers have different approaches.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The normal HR approach to any form of harassment is that it becomes harassment when someone within that workplace and it does not have to be the person directly involved so it could be anyone who saw Langford kiss McVeigh lodges a complaint.

There may be some variation and what you can get away with in some workplaces would be straight up sackable in other workplaces although they are usually very different industries with different work cultures but even within the same industry you will see different employers have different approaches.

Your meandering sentences suggest you work in HR.

 

[Bombermania]

Your meandering sentences suggest you work in HR.

LOL no but I studied it.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

LOL no but I studied it.

That sounds horrific.

 

[telsor]

Players pat opposition players on the bum all the time. That's sexual harassment as well.

What about sledging on the field? Should that be regarded as workplace bullying and treated accordingly?

If it happens all the time, then surely you'd 'reasonably expect' it, and thus, in effect, give consent when you walk only the ground.

Getting a kiss isn't a common/expected thing on the football field...After all, if it was, we wouldn't be talking about it.

 

[Messenger]

That sounds horrific.

It's a horrible subject and I can only imagine working in HR to be the seventh circle of Hell.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's a horrible subject and I can only imagine working in HR to be the seventh circle of Hell.

Imagine studying it. Surely that would be even worse.

 

[Vyrone Trickery]

If you kissed a stranger you'd be up on assault charges. But, ditto if you tackled a stranger, or bumped one, or ruffled one's hair, or sledged one, or even tagged them.

Clearly there's a divergence between on- and off-field behaviours. It's fair that McVeigh didn't approve, but this is surely a nothing issue.

 

[NathanMX]

Big Merv used to stick his tongue in his teammates ears, and that was not a matter for the law so not sure kisses on the cheek are either, chances are most of them are friends off field anyway like Hodge and Franklin so who cares.

Sure beats someone giving someone a Liverpool kiss

 

[Rusty Brookes]

On MMM last night, they noted Langford actually asked McVeigh "Do you want a kiss?" to which he replied "yes" obviously not realising Langford would actually go through with it. So he actually gave permission for the kiss to occur.

Can't believe this is being seriously discussed. It was hilarious.

 

[Pessimistic]

Amazing thread.

McVeigh has no issue with specific players being targeted in opposition teams for 120 mins to get inside their head and make them doubt themselves, but plant a kiss on his cheek and it's all gone too far.

What a precious ********.

They deserve no respect. They talked a big game beforehand but fluffed it.

 

[Pessimistic]

It's a horrible subject and I can only imagine working in HR to be the seventh circle of Hell.

"Human Remains"

 

[_Mike_]

It differs from workplace to workplace.

What's written may be gender neutral but the interpretations rarely are.

HR policy will still be bound by terms implied by statute .

The Sexual Discrimination Act 1984 (Cth) which defines the nature and circumstances in which sexual harassment is unlawful.

It is also unlawful for a person to be victimised for making, or proposing to make, a complaint of sexual harassment to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission.

Examples of sexually harassing behaviour include:

• unwelcome touching;
• staring or leering;
• suggestive comments or jokes;
• sexually explicit pictures or posters;
• unwanted invitations to go out on dates;
• requests for sex;
• intrusive questions about a person's private life or body;
• unnecessary familiarity, such as deliberately brushing up against a person;
• insults or taunts based on sex;
• sexually explicit physical contact; and
• sexually explicit emails or SMS text messages.

 

[Big Wilbur]

To be fair to Langford, he's got a very ordinary head on him. Probably the only way he's going to get a kiss.

 

[Dave]

This is fantastic stuff. Which one of you is going to call for a Royal Commission first?

You're usually more astute than this.

 

[Bedi]

I dunno, mcveigh was engaging in, what could only be described as overt nuzzling prior to the incident.

Sexual harassment usually includes an element of it being unwanted, but mcveigh was certainly acting like he wanted some face to face intimacy until he suddenly flipped and punched Langford in the threat.

If someone is rubbing their face against yours is it reasonable to think they're inviting you to kiss them?

Nuzzling opposition players, when does it become sexual harassment?

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

If it happens all the time, then surely you'd 'reasonably expect' it, and thus, in effect, give consent when you walk only the ground.

Getting a kiss isn't a common/expected thing on the football field...After all, if it was, we wouldn't be talking about it.

Pretty sure that's not how consent works when talking about sexual assault. Even if it is, that's a very slippery slope you're suggesting.