Lions Season 2020

[briztoon]

Matho doesn’t play the CEY role.

As mentioned by Quigley, JBerry is the young player on our list who is most likely to play the CEY role, and he probably offers more in that role.

Mathieson’s game is more similar to JLyons.

Both Joyce and Robertson play the Neale type game.

TBerry is most suited to play a similar role to MRobbo, as a wing, high half forward. Or go in to the midfield and again play similar to Mitch in there.

Ely offers something different to our other young mids, as a big bodied bull with burst speed and power. But he doesn’t have the natural feel for the game as Robertson or Joyce as an inside mid.

 

[briztoon]

I’ll admit I’m a little concerned about our depth going to the season.

A possible best 22.

Witherden, Adams, Gardiner
Birchall, Andrews, Rich

Robinson, Berry, McCluggage
Martin, Neale, Lyons

Rayner, Hipwood, Zorko
McCarthy, McStay, Cameron

Bench: McInerney, Answerth, Bailey, Ellis-Yolmen.

Depth. Only listing those I have confidence of playing a role. Italics players I do have some reservations about.
Defence: Payne, Lester, Hinge.
Midfield: A.Smith, Mathieson, C.Lyons, E.Smith, Robertson.
Forward: Skinner, Christensen, Ah Chee, Cox.

 

[Cousin Jed]

You could do the same for every list in the comp

 

[Royboy1961]

I’ll admit I’m a little concerned about our depth going to the season.

A possible best 22.

Witherden, Adams, Gardiner
Birchall, Andrews, Rich

Robinson, Berry, McCluggage
Martin, Neale, Lyons

Rayner, Hipwood, Zorko
McCarthy, McStay, Cameron

Bench: McInerney, Answerth, Bailey, Ellis-Yolmen.

Depth. Only listing those I have confidence of playing a role. Italics players I do have some reservations about.
Defence: Payne, Lester, Hinge.
Midfield: A.Smith, Mathieson, C.Lyons, E.Smith, Robertson.
Forward: Skinner, Christensen, Ah Chee, Cox.

What about Ballenden as a forward?

 

[briztoon]

What about Ballenden as a forward?

I believe he’s a ways off yet.

 

[briztoon]

You could do the same for every list in the comp

Of course.

But as a potential contending team, I wish a couple of our best 22 were our top depth players.

Mathieson and Cory Lyons are our two most experienced inside mids in the reserves, and one of them hasn’t played an AFL game.

Nor do we have much experience in our KPP depth.

Some lists, I look at a couple of players outside their best 22, and think they’re genuine quality or, that kid is a potential gun.

 

[Dylan12]

B - Witherden / Payne / Gardiner
HB- Rich / Andrews / Bailey
C - Robinson / Berry / McClugggae
HF- Rayner / Hipwood / Zorko
F - McCarthy / McStay / Cameron
R - Martin / Lyons / Neale
Int- Christensen / Cox / Lester / Mathieson
Emer- Robertson / Coleman / McInerney

 

[Dylan12]

Of course. But as a potential contending team, I wish a couple of our best 22 were our top depth players.

Mathieson and Cory Lyons are our two most experienced inside mids in the reserves, and one of them hasn’t played an AFL game.

Nor do we have much experience in our KPP depth.

Some lists, I look at a couple of players outside their best 22, and think they’re genuine quality or, that kid is a potential gun.

I agree.

I reckon we have less depth than we did last year, if not the year before too.

 

[Ralphy2017]

I agree.

I reckon we have less depth than we did last year, if not the year before too.

Probably, and that is why some of our talented young players should be exposed to Marsh series games. With virtually no injuries in 2019 the young guys didn't get a call up. If we get injuries this year we could be in a bit of trouble. Ballenden would improve on last weeks performance. Payne needs an opportunity, apparently killing it in match sims. Skinner deserves a chance at a trial game.
Might have been on this site but heard the whole squad is going down to Melb, so whilst the A team play Carlton, appears reserves will play a Melb team. That's good. The following week the reserves play a QAFL (Morningside) team, not so good.
Sooner we are out of NEAFL the better our depth will become. How much do you think some of the young backs learnt last year in NEAFL with the team frequently winning by 10+ goals and seven of them rested for the NEAFL GF which was a blow out. So yes hard to define depth but probably less now then the past couple of years.

 

[briztoon]

I agree.

I reckon we have less depth than we did last year, if not the year before too.

I’m not so sure we have less depth.

It’s more that it’s inexperienced and untested.

My main concern is if we have several injuries at same time to key players.

 

[Section 5]

Regarding the depth of our list i think we will be okay.
Maybe the NEAFL won't win all their games as they did in 2019. I will be happy with them just making the top 3 or 4.

Having a look at out list in total we have 31 players that have played AFL and can slot in when/if injuries happen. They may not play their preferred position but will be serviceable. So that's 9 spare players to play either NEAFL or cover injuries.

Then we have this list of players hopefully ready to step up when required. As long as we don't have to play 3 or more untried players on debut in a single game we should be okay. My preference is one to debut at a time.


D Robertson J Prior B Smith Coleman
Eagles Skinner Payne T Berry C Lyons Madden E Smith
Wooller Ballenden Joyce McFadyen Fullarton


Each year a Club has to cull some players and bring in new faces some with experienced and youth via the draft.
They have to look at the next year and into the future. Also juggle the salary cap.
Time will tell if they get it right.

 

[briztoon]

Regarding the depth of our list i think we will be okay.
Maybe the NEAFL won't win all their games as they did in 2019. I will be happy with them just making the top 3 or 4.

Having a look at out list in total we have 31 players that have played AFL and can slot in when/if injuries happen. They may not play their preferred position but will be serviceable. So that's 9 spare players to play either NEAFL or cover injuries.

Then we have this list of players hopefully ready to step up when required. As long as we don't have to play 3 or more untried players on debut in a single game we should be okay. My preference is one to debut at a time.


D Robertson J Prior B Smith Coleman
Eagles Skinner Payne T Berry C Lyons Madden E Smith
Wooller Ballenden Joyce McFadyen Fullarton


Each year a Club has to cull some players and bring in new faces some with experienced and youth via the draft.
They have to look at the next year and into the future. Also juggle the salary cap.
Time will tell if they get it right.

From last years draftees, I believe only Robertson and Coleman will be ready to play at some point this year.

From 2018, I’d hope Ely gets a run at some stage, and I hope TBerry takes another step up and gets some games as well.

Eagles, Madden and Fullerton are all Cat B rookies, so there needs to be a long term injury to a player for one of them to be elevated.

There’s one or two players on our list who have played AFL that I have genuine concerns about them at AFL level.

 

[Section 5]

From last years draftees, I believe only Robertson and Coleman will be ready to play at some point this year.

From 2018, I’d hope Ely gets a run at some stage, and I hope TBerry takes another step up and gets some games as well.

Eagles, Madden and Fullerton are all Cat B rookies, so there needs to be a long term injury to a player for one of them to be elevated.

There’s one or two players on our list who have played AFL that I have genuine concerns about them at AFL level.

Understand about Cat B rookies. So if injuries strike and are long term they may get upgraded to senior list. Also mid season draft if disaster strikes.

Depends who is injured/suspended and for how long. So a Neale/Zorko/Andrews/McCluggage type players are hard to replace. But players considered say bottom 6 of starting lineup are much easier to cover.
Because we have had a good run with injuries over the last couple of years most are thinking it can't last. Won't know till October if it was another good year.

I just don't think we are any worse off than 2019 in replacing an injured senior player. The NEAFL side will suffer first.
The coaches have a better knowledge of who is up to AFL standard. Not many of us would have thought Answerth would have got a game when he did in round six.
The guys that didn't get an opportunity last year are now a bit more AFL ready. They also have another preseason under their belt. Hope a few shine in the next Marsh series game to show they are up to the challenge.

One player i am interested in seeing in the NEAFL is Jaxon Prior. I liked his short highlight reel, but of course it is a highlight reel. Maybe they should have a blooper reel to go with it regarding draftees.

 

[Lace Out]

Niall article in Age saying Lions is perfect destination for Joe Daniher

 

[rangatangtang]

Niall article in Age saying Lions is perfect destination for Joe Daniher

If he passes the medical and doesn't cost us the earth then sure, but he's suggesting we'd be paying him 700k or more, talk about living in a bubble

 

[Maroon Monsoon]

Niall article in Age saying Lions is perfect destination for Joe Daniher

 

[M Malice]

Joe Daniher fully fit and at his best would add some fire power to our forward line, of major concern though is his injuries over the last 2 seasons (only 11 games), before that he hardly missed a game in 4 seasons, he is also only a year older that Dan McStay. We do have a recent history of taking on injury plagued players eg. Adams & McCarthy.

I'm a bit Meh on it, without reading the article I'd hazard a guess it's just a typical off season dart throwing space filler.

 

[Scubaveg]

B - Witherden / Payne / Gardiner
HB- Rich / Andrews / Bailey
C - Robinson / Berry / McClugggae
HF- Rayner / Hipwood / Zorko
F - McCarthy / McStay / Cameron
R - Martin / Lyons / Neale
Int- Christensen / Cox / Lester / Mathieson
Emer- Robertson / Coleman / McInerney

I’m surprised you went with Rayner there Dylan.


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[dlanod]

We do have a recent history of taking on injury plagued players eg. Adams & McCarthy.

This is what makes me think this might have more legs than I'd usually think so. Daniher might be interesting in taking a discount for playing with a premiership challenger with a track record for turning around guys like Adams, McCarthy, Birchall, etc.

 

[Maroon Monsoon]

This is what makes me think this might have more legs than I'd usually think so. Daniher might be interesting in taking a discount for playing with a premiership challenger with a track record for turning around guys like Adams, McCarthy, Birchall, etc.

It would have to be a serious discount for it to be something I'd be comfortable with. We do have a track record of turning injuries around but my understanding from what I read during the trade period is his condition has a very low recovery rate regardless of the medical care provided, meaning there's a good possibility he won't be on the field any more for us than he would be for the bombers. If that's the case and we have a good whack of money tied up with him it will probably make it harder to retain the young guns coming out of contract near term without providing any benefits on field.

Prefer our risks to be low cost medium pay-off than high cost high pay off tbh

 

[Clarkythelion]

Does anyone see a long term footballer in Starcevich. I’m yet to be convinced he has a future in the game.

I know when the Lacie Neal deal was going there were a few Free supporters crying out he should be in the trade they rated him highly. I don't think he has had a good run at it yet and showing consistency after a few injuries. I know the club were putting him up as the pre-season belter but that might be just a motivation thing. If i recall he came as a mid fielder but with our needs has been on the back flank so it might take a bit yet or he gets an extended run back in the middle now Basti and others have gone from the NEAFL side.

 

[Dalions]

I know when the Lacie Neal deal was going there were a few Free supporters crying out he should be in the trade they rated him highly. I don't think he has had a good run at it yet and showing consistency after a few injuries. I know the club were putting him up as the pre-season belter but that might be just a motivation thing. If i recall he came as a mid fielder but with our needs has been on the back flank so it might take a bit yet or he gets an extended run back in the middle now Basti and others have gone from the NEAFL side.

I think he could be a good long term replacement for Robbo on the wing.
If he can get his endurance up to the level required?
If he can average 20 quality possessions and 4-5 tackles and around a goal a game, there would be value with his bigger body out there.

 

[Section 5]

This is what makes me think this might have more legs than I'd usually think so. Daniher might be interesting in taking a discount for playing with a premiership challenger with a track record for turning around guys like Adams, McCarthy, Birchall, etc.

Not sure about paying big money for injury prone Daniher. Our medical and conditioning team can't fix everything.
Birchall said in an interview he wanted to play in those few games at the end of last year to prove his knee was okay. Just suffered a soft tissue injury which is common apparently when recovering from knee surgery. Hope Birchall is good to go round 1 as i am a fan.
The club did a great job with McCarthy and Adams.

Not sure i would pay a discount on Daniher would rather use his discount price which would still be high on a promising fit damaging forward.
Don't think the Club should go down the Fevola path again. Big money to a high risk player because the Club thought we were in a Premiership window.

I vaguely remember an interview with Dr. Larkins who said something like : (His injury has got to a stage that it will be ongoing and shorten his career.)
Can't find anything to confirm this memory.
Below is from Trade Radio 4 months ago

Dr Peter Larkins talking about Daniher’s OP injury on Trade Radio

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podca...sodeGuid=530f73f6-68da-4bbb-90cc-cf0ec0f8ecbe
level 1
CowFos

Honestly doesn’t sound good. I wonder if the Swans have done a medical on him? This sounds more like a Hail Mary trade, like Scully going to Hawks for a late pick with their medical team hoping rather than expecting him to get back to his best. Doesn’t sound like a dual first round trade.



level 2
btw-whichonespink


Yea it certainly sounds grim. Had similar surgery to Bud and Menzel, involving inserting a mesh of some sort to reduce inflammation, by the same specialist in Sydney but the outcome for Joe was apparently not as successful. The next step for Joe surgery wise has not been done to an AFL player within the last decade and involves fusing of bones. 6-8 weeks is a fast recovery from a flair up, quite a good chance that it will ruin a season if it flairs up early.
100 percent not worth 2 first rounders, not even close.



level 2
dazedjosh


OP is such a troublesome injury. Daniher has the turning circle of a semi trailer at the moment and the OP has to be the main cause of that. He is an absolute gun when he's fit. But I'm not sure he'll ever be fully fit again and we can't take that risk.

 

[briztoon]

I know when the Lacie Neal deal was going there were a few Free supporters crying out he should be in the trade they rated him highly. I don't think he has had a good run at it yet and showing consistency after a few injuries. I know the club were putting him up as the pre-season belter but that might be just a motivation thing. If i recall he came as a mid fielder but with our needs has been on the back flank so it might take a bit yet or he gets an extended run back in the middle now Basti and others have gone from the NEAFL side.

I believe the next deal Daniher signs, regardless who it’s with, would have to be heavily incentivised, with an average base wage, high games played bonuses, injury clauses, and potentially a high games played % extension kicker/incentivised.

 

[briztoon]

I think he could be a good long term replacement for Robbo on the wing.
If he can get his endurance up to the level required?
If he can average 20 quality possessions and 4-5 tackles and around a goal a game, there would be value with his bigger body out there.

Yeah, that’s the position I believe he probably has the best shot at for his immediate future.

Hopefully in the NEAFL this year, most of the players get play in a position that best suits them, and the clubs need. Especially the midfielders.

Mathieson, CLyons, ESmith, Joyce and Robertson rotate as the inside mids.

Starcevich and TBerry on the wings, with stints on the ball.