LRT for trade bait?

[swannykika]

louie would make great trade bait IMO. how much could we flog him off for? and who could we get in return? he reminds me of Saddington, promising but couldnt deliver, and we traded him, so why not the hyphen. god knows we need another decent backman.

 

[HighReeve]

I hope this is taking the piss. Or you're just an idiot.

Simply, we shouldn't trade him because
Lack of height (especially in the backline) on our list - LRT is a tall defender.
Leo Barry will retire soon, we will have even less KP defenders - LRT is not yet 24.
You say we need "another decent backman".
LRT is one.

He is not nearly similar to Saddington. Saddo was coming off a knee reco and was playing as a KP defender when he is a flanker.

 

[swannykika]

I hope this is taking the piss. Or you're just an idiot.

Simply, we shouldn't trade him because
Lack of height (especially in the backline) on our list - LRT is a tall defender.
Leo Barry will retire soon, we will have even less KP defenders - LRT is not yet 24.
You say we need "another decent backman".
LRT is one.

He is not nearly similar to Saddington. Saddo was coming off a knee reco and was playing as a KP defender when he is a flanker.

a little of both, if you wanna put it that way. But wasnt it you who referred to him as shyte. So is Saddington adding much to Carlton since he moved there??? Certainly doesnt seem like it from what Ive seen and heard. We need a backman that will be at the very least, as good as leo has been at his best. LRT will never come close. Im not say trade him for the sake of trading him, but its time to consider all options. Besides which, this is a forum for debating all angles of opinion...

 

[HighReeve]

No I didn't say that.
Saddington is irrelevant as these are two completely different situations.
Who would you trade LRT for?
You say you want a KP defender 'as good as leo at his best', who could we get that matches that description by trading LRT?
If you want a younger one there is no guarantee that he will be better than LRT already is (Go watch the last few home and away matches of 2005 to see how good he can be)

 

[swannykika]

No I didn't say that.
Saddington is irrelevant as these are two completely different situations.
Who would you trade LRT for?
You say you want a KP defender 'as good as leo at his best', who could we get that matches that description by trading LRT?
If you want a younger one there is no guarantee that he will be better than LRT already is (Go watch the last few home and away matches of 2005 to see how good he can be)

another one who wants to go back 24 months. Something has been lost between then and now, thats the whole point we are debating. I dont know who we could trade for, how about Matthew Maguire. You asked. Give them Dempster as well.

 

[HighReeve]

Nothing has changed except he has been injured. He showed good form last year as well FFS.
St. Kilda would not do that trade, and nor would we.
Do you really think Dempster and LRT would want to be traded? Sydney just don't do that kind of thing.

 

[SMFC]

I'm not LRT's biggest fan, although he is ok. But we'd be far better off with him than what we'd get for him on the market. He does add a fair bit of height down back as Cheer Red Blood mentioned and although seems clumsy at times, over time he will develop into a key part of our squad. Just how good can he get? Only time will tell.

Trading Dempster is a ridiculous notion as well. Has shown improvement this season despite his cringeworthy lack of awareness at times. To me, he seems like a natural replacement for Kennelly when he heads back to Ireland. Has plenty of dash and a penetrating kick. I'm looking forward to a big 2008 from him.

 

[TheMase]

No. Crazy suggestion on both Dempster and LRT.
We have a small amount of developed youngsters. We cannot afford to lose any of them.

 

[little village]

i'm jumping in late i know but plz can i have a say.

if it wasn't for L.R.T we wouldn't have won the premiership just two seasons ago.

he was injured last year.

As for saddington two words RODNEY EADE he ruined saddington he was never meant to be a C/H/B or FULL BACK.

Can you imagine how the players who had their life in football cut short because EADE didn't have the answers.

When people coach to keep their jobs it's the end.

I'd luv to know where the bandwagon started rolling on EADE and WALLACE

From where i sit the first couple years in their jobs go ok, then when people work out they are shite talkers it's all over.

So they start getting rid of players to make it look like they've done something.

 

[Jizza9]

The way I see it, LRT is worth alot more to us than we would get for him in a trade.

 

[magic.merkin]

The way I see it, LRT is worth alot more to us than we would get for him in a trade.

yeah no one rates him outside SSFC

 

[HighReeve]

Amazing you guys didnt pick a tall backman in last years draft with an early pick.....there sure were a lot around....but not in this years draft.

Completely agree with you.
I have just one good source on the drafts and he was telling me last year that there we're many more quality KP players in last year's draft than there will be this time round.
We did go for KP with our later picks last year, but in 2005 we picked up three onballers/flankers.

Amazing that someone outside our club can see this and yet our coaching staff don't seem to be adressing this issue. (Although they are at least giving Grundy a chance at FB lately)

 

[BIGBEZ]

I dont want to trade him, but who says he is woth very little?

Hes 24yrs old, athletic, tall, yet to be filled potential, and a premiership backman!

Hold on to him and work him harder, a champion in the making, a late bloomer so to say!

 

[Bloods boy from the Bush]

yeah no one rates him outside this board

Edit for Accuracy

 

[SouthSwans]

I'm not LRT's biggest fan, although he is ok. But we'd be far better off with him than what we'd get for him on the market.

Exactly what I would've said, very small market value, would get 3rd/4th rounder, 2nd at best or a very average player ie. Sampi.

IMO, LRT>>>3rd Rounder>>>Sampi

 

[nico]

a little of both, if you wanna put it that way. But wasnt it you who referred to him as shyte. So is Saddington adding much to Carlton since he moved there??? Certainly doesnt seem like it from what Ive seen and heard. We need a backman that will be at the very least, as good as leo has been at his best. LRT will never come close. Im not say trade him for the sake of trading him, but its time to consider all options. Besides which, this is a forum for debating all angles of opinion...

I have a better idea. Why dont we hang on to LRT the tall back and trade the no.24 muppett for another tall back so we have 2 tall backs in the deal. The muppett is 28 at the start of next season, has lost what pace he ever possessed (questionable if he ever had any) kicks 10 metres shorter than he did 3 seasons ago, averages less than 20 possessions for a midfielder and has failed in 2 successive grand finals. Otherwise we should only bring him out for games against bottom sides and rest a good midfielder.

 

[rancidpants13]

i'm jumping in late i know but plz can i have a say.

if it wasn't for L.R.T we wouldn't have won the premiership just two seasons ago.

he was injured last year.

As for saddington two words RODNEY EADE he ruined saddington he was never meant to be a C/H/B or FULL BACK.

Can you imagine how the players who had their life in football cut short because EADE didn't have the answers.

When people coach to keep their jobs it's the end.

I'd luv to know where the bandwagon started rolling on EADE and WALLACE

From where i sit the first couple years in their jobs go ok, then when people work out they are shite talkers it's all over.

So they start getting rid of players to make it look like they've done something.

this post is bang-on....eade did his best to kill off several careers at sydney, and yes, saddington should never have been a KPP defender
....and by the way, once again, thank god we never got wallace
on LRT, what seems to have been overlooked is that the bloke never started pl;aying australian football til he was 17 or 18, which means he's been palying the game barely 5 years
i love him, i loved his 2005 GF (another swan more worthy of the norm smith than judd that day, far as i'm concerned) and i patiently await his return to take up the role of our main big central defender, take some pressure of B2 and leo....i would NEVER trade him
he will continue to learn and improve, and as long as he's fit, can be a champion swan for the next 6-8 years, his best is still to come

 

[rancidpants13]

I dont want to trade him, but who says he is woth very little?

Hes 24yrs old, athletic, tall, yet to be filled potential, and a premiership backman!

Hold on to him and work him harder, a champion in the making, a late bloomer so to say!

we love you, three blokes

 

[liz]

The way I see it, LRT is worth alot more to us than we would get for him in a trade.

Agree.

As I see it, there are only three reasons to trade players.

1 They are fringe at best, you don't expect to get anything much for them, but are happy to see if they can get more opportunities elsewhere (eg Scott Stevens, Ben Fixter, Jason Saddington)

2 They want to leave (see Rocca, Shannon Grant, Brett O'Farrell)

3 They have more value to another club than they do to you. That could either be because another club is so desparate for them that they are willing to pay a bit over the odds; or you have a surplus of one type of player and can easily afford to lose one, even if he is reasonably well rated.

However, if a club which is already light on for key position players, especially youngish ones with at least some senior experience, starts shopping around one of those few they already have, other clubs are going to start wondering why and even if they were interested, may be a bit put off.

The opposite would be if a club like Brisbane decided to try and cash in on Cameron Wood, knowing that most clubs are desperate to get their hands on a quality ruck, especially a young one. No-one would question what that says about Wood's value because they know the Lions also have Leuenberger (and Charman). Adelaide might think about doing something similar with Maric or Griffen.

 

[rancidpants13]

Agree.

As I see it, there are only three reasons to trade players.

1 They are fringe at best, you don't expect to get anything much for them, but are happy to see if they can get more opportunities elsewhere (eg Scott Stevens, Ben Fixter, Jason Saddington)

2 They want to leave (see Rocca, Shannon Grant, Brett O'Farrell)

3 They have more value to another club than they do to you. That could either be because another club is so desparate for them that they are willing to pay a bit over the odds; or you have a surplus of one type of player and can easily afford to lose one, even if he is reasonably well rated.

However, if a club which is already light on for key position players, especially youngish ones with at least some senior experience, starts shopping around one of those few they already have, other clubs are going to start wondering why and even if they were interested, may be a bit put off.

The opposite would be if a club like Brisbane decided to try and cash in on Cameron Wood, knowing that most clubs are desperate to get their hands on a quality ruck, especially a young one. No-one would question what that says about Wood's value because they know the Lions also have Leuenberger (and Charman). Adelaide might think about doing something similar with Maric or Griffen.

can anyone fill me in here...is j griffen a first-season player at the crows? was he drafted last year?....just curious, he's been triffic

 

[CAS79]

Agree.

As I see it, there are only three reasons to trade players.

1 They are fringe at best, you don't expect to get anything much for them, but are happy to see if they can get more opportunities elsewhere (eg Scott Stevens, Ben Fixter, Jason Saddington)

2 They want to leave (see Rocca, Shannon Grant, Brett O'Farrell)

3 They have more value to another club than they do to you. That could either be because another club is so desparate for them that they are willing to pay a bit over the odds; or you have a surplus of one type of player and can easily afford to lose one, even if he is reasonably well rated.

However, if a club which is already light on for key position players, especially youngish ones with at least some senior experience, starts shopping around one of those few they already have, other clubs are going to start wondering why and even if they were interested, may be a bit put off.

The opposite would be if a club like Brisbane decided to try and cash in on Cameron Wood, knowing that most clubs are desperate to get their hands on a quality ruck, especially a young one. No-one would question what that says about Wood's value because they know the Lions also have Leuenberger (and Charman). Adelaide might think about doing something similar with Maric or Griffen.

Option 4 you have sort of coverd Liz but not quite... the player could be decent but what you are getting in return is so much better.

 

[liz]

Option 4 you have sort of coverd Liz but not quite... the player could be decent but what you are getting in return is so much better.

Trades like that only happen in the delusional minds of BF posters who think their club should trade three fringe players in exchange for an up and coming young star.

Speaking of which, a saw a post a while ago where a bombers fan wanted to give us Peverill and Dempsey in return for the 'Eski.

The only way a realistic trade might give you something "so much better" than what you're giving up is really if it's an average player who fills a pressing need at your club. Getting Jolly for pick 16(?) was a case in hand.

 

[voodooguru]

The Hyphen wasn't born with a Sherrin in his paw but he sure came good, eventually. After his injury and time off, this could be the same thing, but shorter.

He'll be back next year if he hasn't come good by Round 20.

 

[Bloods boy from the Bush]

I agree with most posters if your dangle a hook into trade better bait it with something worth while and IMO LRT is not going to make any other teams best 22 except Carlton who have nothing except Fev to offer so its no good. But if we keep him I doubt he will be as good as everyone says.

 

[swannykika]

I agree with most posters if your dangle a hook into trade better bait it with something worth while and IMO LRT is not going to make any other teams best 22 except Carlton who have nothing except Fev to offer so its no good. But if we keep him I doubt he will be as good as everyone says.

Thought this would make an interesting thread . I agree, i doubt very much whether LRT is gonna be anywhere near as good as most people seem to think he will in this forum, BUT I am very happy to be proven wrong. If the boy cant make anyone else's top 22, (not to mention he cant even perform against average reserve grade kids), then that leaves alot in question about our 22 doesnt it.