Luke Ball Trade Thread

[Markfs]

It's interesting that Ross Lyon in his post-grand final speech said to the St. Kilda faithful..... and the players...

If you can't offer the same effort as this year, then come to me and we'll trade you....

(or words similar to that)

now Ball has put his hand up and said that he wants to move on... it will be interesting if Lyon takes him back....because if he does, I will be laughing at him and so will the rest of the football community.

 

[tfbr37]

Re: Luke Ball wants to be a Pie

He can easily put a price on his head and just say to the other clubs pick me at your own peril, he can simply refuse to play with them. Clubs arn't pricks despite what many think, they wouldn't pick up a player that doesnt want to play for them...

Pick 30 and Macaffer is my go, he fulfils their need for a half forward, and although I think he will be a great player, we have plenty of his type.

If the Saints weren't capable of landing pick 14 for Ball, this would be my second choice. Fair for both sides - We get a reasonable pick and a player (surplus to ur needs) who plays a position in which we are lacking.

You must all remember too O'Bree's age - a few people are saying that Ball is a stop-gap until Beams and Sidebottom step up... Semi-true... Ball is only 25, and O'Bree 30(???)... He only has a year or two left. In two years time, Ball can lead your 'hard-nut' brigade, with the other two not far behind.

As for his season, it was definitely sub-par. Many of us Saints supporters have been made to believe (and i do believe it) that his OP is now gone. However, it has definitely affected him. This year, his trouble was more doing what was asked of him, rather than playing particularly poorly. His influence under packs is still as good as it has ever been, but his outside work is what cost him his spot in the team. And if there is a type of player which the Pies have ample of, it is outside mids. I'm sure many of you Pies supporters would be pretty happy with Ball's stats reading 20 possies (12 contested) and 10 tackles - this could be more than expected of Luke, and often what he delivers.

Personally, (and i'm sure it is biased), i think he is worth a pick between 10 and 20. But if that fails, as stated above, pick 30 and Macaffer would also do nicely (the problem with Collingwood's list is the players are either untradable stars, or those who you would contemplate trading, we already have two! Macaffer is the closest to middle-ground i can think of!)

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Re: Luke Ball wants to be a Pie

Lovett and Ball are completely different players. It's like comparing Lenny to Farren Ray. His position is not taken. Lovett will be competing with Ray, Gram and Raph Clarke I would imagine.

If a trade doesn't get done, Ball goes to the PSD and is picked up by the Dees or Tigers. I don't think either team wants that.

So I can see a decent trade where both teams win going through, or no trade going through.

 

[Bay Pie]

Ross Lyons words after the GF

"If you can't committ to putting in the same work as you did this year, come and see me and we'll move you on. We have unfinished business"

Lovett would have taken plenty of $$ space. If St.Kilda were thinking of Ball for pick 14 they would have looked to trade Lovett for Ball, straight up. Very simple.

They know he is no longer worth pick 14 but I think a player is more value to them then pick 30.

I think it may be a Tyson Goldsack type/Possibly Dawes. Player generally in our best 22 but ranked about 18-22.

Luke Ball will be leaving the Saints.

 

[Rohan25]

It's funny how when a trade is in the works all the fans will loudly declare that their club will only accept a first round pick. Then when the deal goes through for a second round pick, they'll claim they won out, and that Player X is finished anyway. It's like when the Richmond fans came here in droves saying we would have to cough up a first or second round pick for Tuck, while denying he is any chance of being delisted. In reality, it seems they are now tossing up whether to delist him, or accept a trade for Wayde Skipper.

If we get Ball, that's well and good. If we miss out on him I'm not too fussed either. We won't have a first round pick to offer St. Kilda, that is headed to Sydney. If the Saints don't want pick 30 or another player, then I guess the deal is off.

Fev is gone because carlton are completely and utterly terrified of us, so the most important thing now is to get Jolly. Whatever happens with Ball is merely a side attraction.

 

[Didak Wine]

with pick 14 we should get a kid. i'm sick and tired of watching ruckmen take our best draft picks. play wood and fraser next year, stuff it. if wood develops he'll be okay.

luke ball is not the player he was. He banged his head around early on in and under. Our kids will be better with another year of experience. we need fev.

 

[wicksy]

with pick 14 we should get a kid. i'm sick and tired of watching ruckmen take our best draft picks. play wood and fraser next year, stuff it. if wood develops he'll be okay.

luke ball is not the player he was. He banged his head around early on in and under. Our kids will be better with another year of experience. we need fev.

Rah, rah, rah get young kids.... Rah, rah, rah get old guy!!

 

[Didak Wine]

okay, i mean get a kid instead of getting Jolly. But if we can get fev, chuck out the youth policy and pick him up.

 

[Pie eyed]

with pick 14 we should get a kid. i'm sick and tired of watching ruckmen take our best draft picks. play wood and fraser next year, stuff it. if wood develops he'll be okay.

luke ball is not the player he was. He banged his head around early on in and under. Our kids will be better with another year of experience. we need fev.

LOL.
I too am sick of constantly getting all these ruckman.
What pisses me off even more is where they go once we have got them.

Wood's still here and of course Josh, but where did the others all go. Oh I forgot Chris Bryan....
How does a footy club lose so many 200+ centimetre people?



It just ridiculous trading for ruckmen or drafting them when you have so many already at the club.


What we need is small forwards who can play a bit in the middle.

 

[wicksy]

LOL.
I too am sick of constantly getting all these ruckman.
What pisses me off even more is where they go once we have got them.

Wood's still here and of course Josh, but where did the others all go. Oh I forgot Chris Bryan....
How does a footy club lose so many 200+ centimetre people?



It just ridiculous trading for ruckmen or drafting them when you have so many already at the club.


What we need is small forwards who can play a bit in the middle.

LOL

 

[didaka]

The Age reports they want a player, and a 3 way deal involving Everitt is not out of the question, but we'll need a suitable trade to move Everitt from the dogs.

It seems the only way we're going to get Ball is if we give a little bit back.

They suggested dealing with the dockers or eagles to get their second rounders, that would mean upgrading from 30 to get a low 20's pick, or a 3 way player deal with the dogs may be good enough.

Hopefully we land Jolly for 14 alone and only lose 1 player.

For example if we could get both deals done by trading 14 for Jolly and then doing a 3 way Dawes + Everitt + Ball trade we'd lose only 14 and Dawes for Jolly and Ball. You'd be happy I'd reckon.

 

[didaka]

To be honest, Wellingham alone could do it, but because we're Collingwood it would be Wellingham and 30 for either 20 or 22.

Anyhow, do we want to lose Wellingham. Don't know why either club would be interested in Cox or Toovey.

 

[Invigoration]

That is interesting that the Aints are more interested in a player... I wonder who they have in mind.
I'd like to just get Jolly with 14 as well, but they seem quite content to just sit on him. A tiny sweetner may do the job.

Please refrain from including Peake in any trades with us, it only downgrades what we are receiving. The bloke is a spud and is heading towards the PSD.
Wellingham or Cox could possibly get the job done, Wellingham would suit Subacio well so I could definitely see some interest there. They did see him play Colts and what not though and didn't think he was worth picking up back then, I dunno how much his stocks have gone up since (he had a bad name over there supposedly).

 

[didaka]

I think Wellingham's currency would be 1 player potentially dealt that holds currency. But should we trade him? He goes well.

Other being Macaffer (not for Ball), Dawes and possibly Goldsack.

I still don't believe Dawes will make it, but the dogs, even though they've just acquired Hall, would still be on the lookout for another big forward to develop for a couple of years from now. Also Dawes could walk into their side next year just due to size and probably play a bit further up the ground from Hall so if we wanted to deal him, they may be tempted, which would obviously send Everitt to the saints, Ball to us.

The status of Rusling would be the thing that could tip Dawes out. If they believe he can add to our forward line depth, then they may be forced if they are actually 100% keen on Ball.

The more I think about it the more enticing getting both Ball and Jolly is as they will form a very good clearance combo just like Jolly and Kirk.

 

[Invigoration]

Everyone gets linked to us, we aren't going to have the draft picks to pick up blokes like Drum though and he is excess to our needs. He'll head towards Geelong I imagine.

Some of the shit journo's dish up this time of year. The comment about Lovett being unders because of what Carlton paid for McLean? ****ing stupidity and not even relevant.
Bombers would be stoked with a first rounder. I like how they mention the Burger deal is done, but then throw in the SEN rumour (proven to be false) that he was seen with Bailey sharing breakfast.

I'd trade Wellingham for pick 22, I doubt West Coast would agree. It might have to include one of our later picks.
Maybe they'd show interest in someone like Cox and we'd do 30+Cox for 22.
Like you, Dawes would be the other with value I'd be willing to bandy around. Wouldn't surprise me if he was one of the blokes requested as a swap for Ball... I'd be more inclined to go for Dawes over Everitt if I was the Saints, Jarryd Allen going down might make them think the same.

 

[TOA.]

I'd personally look very strongly at Wellingham for 22 but not sure many other WC ppl would agree

 

[The Royal Sampler]

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Maybe they'd show interest in someone like Cox and we'd do 30+Cox for 22.

This.

 

[Chazz Michaels]

It's good we don't have to use picks for Ball.

It means we can try and get an even earlier pick from Freo/West Coast and try and get Ball, Jolly AND Fev.

There's still hope I guess, but I can't see it happening. Don't think we want all 3 bad enough.

 

[Bloben]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26176040-5018851,00.html

The Saints have put a list of names to the Magpies, who indicated on Monday that with their first-round selection likely to go to Sydney Swans for ruckman Darren Jolly, a further deal involving choice draft picks was improbable.

The wish list is understood to include Nathan Brown and several of the Magpies' younger tall defenders rather any of the so-called A-grade talent at the Lexus Centre, a request that has a financial reality built into it.

We better not give up Brown. Pick 30 and either one of Macaffer and Goldsack would be my maximum but even that may be too much.

 

[The Big League]

I don't want to give away Reid, Dawes, Goldsack, Wellingham, Macaffer or Brown.
They can have - Cox, Toovey, Cook, Dick or Mcarthy

But who the hell would accept them in a trade?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The wish list is understood to include Nathan Brown and several of the Magpies' younger tall defenders rather any of the so-called A-grade talent at the Lexus Centre, a request that has a financial reality built into it.

???

Nathan Brown and several? I'm assuming Nick Maxwell and Harry O'Brien are already considered close enough to A-graders, so who can be on the list?

Ben Reid - no
Tyson Goldsack - if we must
Shannon Cox - okay
Alan Toovey - really?
Jarrad Blight - he's good enough, but I doubt the Saints would ask for him when he hasn't debuted yet.

Am I missing someone?

 

[Teak_Pies]

Stuff the Saints, offer pick 30 and a player

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

It just ridiculous trading for ruckmen or drafting them when you have so many already at the club...

It would be an interesting exercise to see how well we do in clearances (as of 2009) with Fraser/Wood. Then see how many of those are first-use clearances and how many are gained through tackling pressure. If the latter is higher then we clearly need a better ruckman.

 

[HFF]

Why do they want Browny for?

No faith in Dawson?

He is not for sale.

 

[omen_au]

So The Saints want Nathan Brown for Ball

WTF, I know (hoping) that this will not happen, if they keep playing hard ball then Ball should put a price on his head and enter the PSD