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This is Knightmare's evaluation of Durdin

7. Sam Durdin (SA – KPD/KPF)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 06/06/1996
Recruited from: West Adelaide
Draft range: 2-10
Best position/role: Centre half back
Strengths:
Versatility – Plays both forward and back to a high standard. He can also pinch-hit through the ruck as required.
Strong overhead mark – Durdin marks at the highest point and has long arms making him incredibly hard to defend when played in the front half. Durdin is most threatening with his ability to mark the ball in the air and can just launch at the ball, elevate and take it one grab. He is capable of taking a pack marks. He can take front position and protect the drop zone well for the easy mark but is not so strong 1v1 that he will take advantage of his direct opponents frequently either forward or back.
Ability to read the flight of the ball – Durdin reads the flight well and uses this ability well both up forward and down back. As a forward this increases the threat of him taking his marks in the air because he knows before he jumps where the ball will land, he also uses this ability to protect the drop zone for easy marks. Down back because of how well he reads the flight of the ball and how well he reads the play he understands when he can leave his opponent for an easy intercept mark. He is also excellent getting the spoil in thanks to his ability to read the flight and is aided by his long arms. Athleticism/mobility –Durdin moves incredibly well for a tall and has excellent mobility and agility to him and moves really fluidly around the ground. He also has good leaping ability which he uses to effect with his marking ability in the air. With his leaping ability and long arms he also has the scope to play some relief ruck minutes as required. He also has the pace to create separation on the lead and the closing speed to shut down an opponent’s lead in the back half.
Ground level ability – Durdin has good co-ordination below the knees and can pick up the ground ball and bouncing ball cleanly. He is also willing to at ground level give a contest and give the second and third efforts and tackle with good intent for a tall.
Good ball user - Durdin is a clean, efficient ball user and you can rely on him to hit his targets around the ground. He demonstrates good vision and has shown that out of the back half he can find and hit some meaningful targets up the ground.
Hard edge – Durdin in the games I have seen of him has shown a real hard edge to him. He will bury guys with force with his tackles and will stand up to contact and not let anyone intimidate him and stand his ground which has impressed me.
Weaknesses:
Ability on the lead – Durdin is not yet overly natural on the lead as a forward and will need to put the work in on his leading patterns and learn when and where to lead.
Production – This year Durdin has not put forward the numbers anticipated coming into the season. He seems to have struggled due to a hand injury and has not had the preparation he would have liked coming into the season which is the primary reason in my view for his below expectation performances. He put forward some lean performances through the U18 champs and has done the same this year back in SA, though showing better form late season.
Leading patterns as a forward – Durdin due mostly to being unaccustomed to playing forward has when given the chance up forward looked at times lost with his leading patterns particularly a work in progress not knowing where or when to lead to be a target up the field and as a result at this stage looks better suited behind the ball with reading the ball from behind the play more what he is suited to and accustomed to at this point in time.
What I expect will improve:
I expect Durdin increases his production and if played forward I anticipate with good coaching improves his leading patterns. If he can get his improvement tracking in the right direction again next year I feel he can over time start to put all the pieces of the puzzle together and with time develop into a dominant key position player at either end.
Who he can become?
Durdin projects to become a similar level talent to Jake Carlisle as that tall, mobile type who can play forward or back well.
When will he be ready to play?
The first couple of seasons we will see glimpses but it will be season three that I anticipate that he will start putting some strong performances together and season four when he establishes himself as a high level key position player.
How to best utilise him?
Durdin has key forward talent and the right mix of attributes to experience strong success as a key forward if he fixes up his leading patterns but at this stage Durdin is best suited as a key defender and is a safer bet to become a high level key defender.
Interpretation of his numbers:
He has struggled to get his hands on the footy this year both when played forward and back. His numbers due to his hand injury have been poor this season so Durdin is someone you draft based on his 2012 performance and the mix of attributes he shows in game and how that mix of attributes can translate at the next level and come together over time.
 
Hanners was the missing link from round 18 last week, now he is a trade option for a kid? Give me a spell
 
So what would you do about the fact that both our key defenders are approaching retirement and we have no one else who is capable of taking over in the reserves?


Not trade hannebery for pick one how does that help ?
 

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Not trade hannebery for pick one how does that help ?

Cause we have Heeney, Mills and Dunkley all coming through the system. It is not like we are short of midfielders at the moment. Richards is going to be 32.5 years old at the start of 2015, 33 by the end of the season. Grundy will be almost 29 at the start of the 2015 season as well.

Richards has now reached an age where he could decline in output very quickly. I don't want him too but look what happened to O'Keefe. He won the Norm Smith in 2012 and 18 months later he was out of the team.
 
Cause we have Heeney, Mills and Dunkley all coming through the system. It is not like we are short of midfielders at the moment. Richards is going to be 32.5 years old at the start of 2015, 33 by the end of the season. Grundy will be almost 29 at the start of the 2015 season as well.

Richards has now reached an age where he could decline in output very quickly. I don't want him too but look what happened to O'Keefe. He won the Norm Smith in 2012 and 18 months later he was out of the team.


I agree but how does hanners for pick one fix it
 
I agree but how does hanners for pick one fix it

He may not be up to being the first defender next year but even though he is young having the best key defender in the draft this year at the Swans next year has to help. At the very least it means that if Richards goes down then Grundy can take the first key forward and Durdin can take the second key forward. It would not be ideal but at least that way our premiership chances would not be over.
 
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He may not be up to being the first defender next year but even though he is young having the best key defender in the draft this year at the Swans next year has to help. At the very least it means that if Richards goes down then Grundy can take the first key forward and Durdin can take the second key forward. It would not be ideal but at least that way our premiership chances would not be over.


Durdin could be a flop and how long do key defenders take

But hell what do i know, maybe it will happen, have to take risks
 
Durdin could be a flop and how long do key defenders take

But hell what do i know, maybe it will happen, have to take risks

He could be a flop. That is a risk for sure but I do think it is a risk worth taking. Also Alex Johnson proved that if they are good enough Key Position defenders can have an impact in their first or second years.

I personally think it is worth the risk given the midfielders coming through the F/S and Academy over the next 14 months. We can afford to trade Hannebery away if what we get for him fills a very specific need.
 
He may not be up to being the first defender next year but even though he is young having the best key defender in the draft this year at the Swans next year has to help. At the very least it means that if Richards goes down then Grundy can take the first key forward and Durdin can take the second key forward. It would not be ideal but at least that way our premiership chances would not be over.

18 year olds dont win flags. I appreciate you are saying it would be good to have someone so highly regarded already on the list for when Ted finishes up in (most likely) 12 months. And while I agree with that, having Hannerbery in the team next year is more formidable than anyone we could draft.

Not to say i entirely disagree with your point. everyone can see we have heaps of mids and not so much talls. (Which is why I was so mystified why we went small with Jones last year, and then again with our 2nd pick..)
 
He could be a flop. That is a risk for sure but I do think it is a risk worth taking. Also Alex Johnson proved that if they are good enough Key Position defenders can have an impact in their first or second years.

I personally think it is worth the risk given the midfielders coming through the F/S and Academy over the next 14 months. We can afford to trade Hannebery away if what we get for him fills a very specific need.


Id be more comfortable going for an experienced big body but thats just me

Dont see hanners as tradable for pick one again just me

But agree with the problem you highlight down back
 

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Mitchell is a ball magnet an clearance winner, on the biggest day of the year who won clearances an the ball for us? One man Kennedy. If Mitchell was there I guarantee you he would've been up there. If Shaw retires I think McVeigh goes back an Mitchell slots into the midfield, he's too good not to be playing
 
Bedford where are you
I'm now here mate. This is what I mean, where do we find them, you and I might have had issues, but this is crap. A top 5 pick, just give him away. But once again some don't listen , Mitch said he is going no where. GET IT
 
I would rather trade Hannebery to be honest. Mitchell is a clearance and an in and under player and that is someone we DESPERATELY need as other than Kennedy we have no one who fits the bill. We have spent too many years being beaten in the clearances and it costs us games. We can't afford to trade away a guy that could really help us get first hands on the ball.
Here we go, silly season . Hanners should have won a Smith !
 
This is Knightmare's evaluation of Durdin

7. Sam Durdin (SA – KPD/KPF)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 06/06/1996
Recruited from: West Adelaide
Draft range: 2-10
Best position/role: Centre half back
Strengths:
Versatility – Plays both forward and back to a high standard. He can also pinch-hit through the ruck as required.
Strong overhead mark – Durdin marks at the highest point and has long arms making him incredibly hard to defend when played in the front half. Durdin is most threatening with his ability to mark the ball in the air and can just launch at the ball, elevate and take it one grab. He is capable of taking a pack marks. He can take front position and protect the drop zone well for the easy mark but is not so strong 1v1 that he will take advantage of his direct opponents frequently either forward or back.
Ability to read the flight of the ball – Durdin reads the flight well and uses this ability well both up forward and down back. As a forward this increases the threat of him taking his marks in the air because he knows before he jumps where the ball will land, he also uses this ability to protect the drop zone for easy marks. Down back because of how well he reads the flight of the ball and how well he reads the play he understands when he can leave his opponent for an easy intercept mark. He is also excellent getting the spoil in thanks to his ability to read the flight and is aided by his long arms. Athleticism/mobility –Durdin moves incredibly well for a tall and has excellent mobility and agility to him and moves really fluidly around the ground. He also has good leaping ability which he uses to effect with his marking ability in the air. With his leaping ability and long arms he also has the scope to play some relief ruck minutes as required. He also has the pace to create separation on the lead and the closing speed to shut down an opponent’s lead in the back half.
Ground level ability – Durdin has good co-ordination below the knees and can pick up the ground ball and bouncing ball cleanly. He is also willing to at ground level give a contest and give the second and third efforts and tackle with good intent for a tall.
Good ball user - Durdin is a clean, efficient ball user and you can rely on him to hit his targets around the ground. He demonstrates good vision and has shown that out of the back half he can find and hit some meaningful targets up the ground.
Hard edge – Durdin in the games I have seen of him has shown a real hard edge to him. He will bury guys with force with his tackles and will stand up to contact and not let anyone intimidate him and stand his ground which has impressed me.
Weaknesses:
Ability on the lead – Durdin is not yet overly natural on the lead as a forward and will need to put the work in on his leading patterns and learn when and where to lead.
Production – This year Durdin has not put forward the numbers anticipated coming into the season. He seems to have struggled due to a hand injury and has not had the preparation he would have liked coming into the season which is the primary reason in my view for his below expectation performances. He put forward some lean performances through the U18 champs and has done the same this year back in SA, though showing better form late season.
Leading patterns as a forward – Durdin due mostly to being unaccustomed to playing forward has when given the chance up forward looked at times lost with his leading patterns particularly a work in progress not knowing where or when to lead to be a target up the field and as a result at this stage looks better suited behind the ball with reading the ball from behind the play more what he is suited to and accustomed to at this point in time.
What I expect will improve:
I expect Durdin increases his production and if played forward I anticipate with good coaching improves his leading patterns. If he can get his improvement tracking in the right direction again next year I feel he can over time start to put all the pieces of the puzzle together and with time develop into a dominant key position player at either end.
Who he can become?
Durdin projects to become a similar level talent to Jake Carlisle as that tall, mobile type who can play forward or back well.
When will he be ready to play?
The first couple of seasons we will see glimpses but it will be season three that I anticipate that he will start putting some strong performances together and season four when he establishes himself as a high level key position player.
How to best utilise him?
Durdin has key forward talent and the right mix of attributes to experience strong success as a key forward if he fixes up his leading patterns but at this stage Durdin is best suited as a key defender and is a safer bet to become a high level key defender.
Interpretation of his numbers:
He has struggled to get his hands on the footy this year both when played forward and back. His numbers due to his hand injury have been poor this season so Durdin is someone you draft based on his 2012 performance and the mix of attributes he shows in game and how that mix of attributes can translate at the next level and come together over time.
Who the F is Knightmare ffs
 
I would love to get during as a high quality tall is something we need to plan for.

But I wouldn't sacrifice anyone who doesn't want to go. If Leadership group playing group or coaches want to move players on because they are counter productive then sure.

I am still a bit unsure about whether mills and Dunkley will get to us, and Heeney and durning are yet to play afl footy. Hanners in my mind, as is Parker, are both worth more than pick 1 by themselves. They are both top 50 players in the comp. is Kreuzer ? Is Scully ? Is Gibbs ? Is watts ?
 

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After the GF we need an eye on the future for our midfield. It needs help. Mitchell should be a part of that as we bring in newbies like Heeney to build our 2017 list post "the cliff"
 
I don't understand why people are rushing to toss a top player for a future pick. Without being too extreme, the club should have their focus on winning Premierships for the next couple of years instead of hoping we can 'cover' for their absence. Even if we could trade away Hannebery and have Mitchell step in, who backs him to play week-in-week-out? And if Mitchell goes down for a long period of time, can we trust our depth to really carry the team? I know we've got some good kids but gee I'd be wincing every time Mitchell took a bump in a final if we traded anyone.
 
The cynic in me says watching the game on Saturday would make you think that we are in need of midfielders however.

Our clearances have actually always struck me as a weak point, at least in the centre square. We regularly have periods in games where the opposition just clears the ball at will for about 10-15 minutes (it's almost guaranteed at some point against the Hawks in recent years)

Although I may be completely wrong.
 

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