Jabba73
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What were we talking about?Goldfish.
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What were we talking about?Goldfish.
Hey, stop editing posts after I like them, you don't get a chance to like them twiceGoldfish.
Silverchair going the Numbers....
1, 2, 3, 4......
Brisbane bitch slapped us on the weekend. It was obvious. We were physically bullied. And they aint no powerhouse. Its hard to ask what is essentially a team of kids to show teal mongrel. Its what makes Powell-pepper so unique.
on that topic, why is he not playing? Like it seems like he has been delibrately sidelinedi know he's not playing now but denis armfield has a little bit i reckon
on that topic, can someone please tell me why isn't he playing this year? i was a little out of it between from the middle of last year till the beginning of this but it seems like he's totally dissapeared, what happened?i know he's not playing now but denis armfield has a little bit i reckon
I think on occasions this year we've been unsociable. I recall us giving Mills a tough time when we beat the Swans at the MCG this year. It was also evident at Metricon when Gary Ablett Jr spent the game whinging to the umpires about the tactics during the game. The last fortnight? Haven't we given away free kicks before the game started. I think that demonstrates bravado is a load of bs.
We have a long lineage of mongrels playing for the club. Nicholls, Waite, Johnston, Pinnell, Buckley, Crosswell, Collins, Brown, Rhy-Jones, Maclure, Lofts and plenty more. They could all play as well however times have changed and the game has been homogenised.
I think it's a redundant talent and, as a consequence, a waste of energy.
Give me a team of tough and courageous players who tackle and compete as if their lives depend on it. Modern day players who do this as a team will be successful.
Interesting thread, JAB.Disagree - Murphy/Gibbs/Kerridge/Graham aren't 'kids' neither is Casboult who hasn't put a knee into anyone's back to make them hurt in months- Jones can harden up a bit as well and learn to make incidental contact as he attacks the ball needs to instill some fear into opposition not just rely on his outstanding closing speed and jump - like Rance does at every opportunity and Scarlett used to do perfectly every time.
Real mongrel is a team based approach thats why you need mongrels. If a bloke hits one of yours - someone makes the next tackle really nasty and someone else makes sure that the offender cops a whack at first opportunity - and ALWAYS the Captain has to make sure that the umps are aware of the foul play the opposition is getting away with. The continual ducking frees should have been challenged by Murphy on the field as well. Gibbs was being held all day - he needed to make it obvious what was going on...etc etc etc...
also there is nothing wrong with letting a ducker fall into the ground ( literally) stand off as soon as he starts falling and point at him - the bloke has no intention of running through congestion it is deliberate free milking - even the commentators predicted he would play this caper and he did...
Field management includes ump management as well as opposition management.
Mongrel also includes having the smarts to 'help' umps when required - the best teams have always done this well.
Sorry Harks - we ARE poor we are so poor in the real mongrel stakes we are broken. Mongrels don't concede 7 goal quarters they figure out who is causing the damage and do some DAMAGE...pro-active they don't need a coaches yelling session at half time to want to beat the mofos on the other side...
You missed Casboult.
Doesn't always channel it correctly, but it is there.
Maybe, but it's no coincidence that this thread would pop up on the back of what maybe our worst performance of the year. Nevertheless......
It is though difficult to make a point without getting to the crux of the matter and that is that we don't lead with mongrel.
You can't go out and ask your troops to go in head first when you yourself don't really want to do so. Where's the standard to aspire to? Where would the on-field directive come from?
I have felt for some time that we may be a different team under different on-field direction.
Good thread Jab.
I've been on the absent mongrel' theme for about 5 years now....Brisbane game was an example of the same strategy employed by many ordinary sides to get over the top of Carlton - for years now.
I think Casboult gets angry at times.
There is a distinct difference between angry and mongrel.
Angry is more a result of frustration and more often than not brings on a bad result i.e. a costly goal or a 50 meter penalty (negative).
Mongrel equals hardness and in my opinion you need it in spades to succeed at the highest level in sport (positive).
I agree with this 100%. I don't want goober players who hit behind play and are constantly suspended, but I do want them to legally niggle, stand up for themselves and each other, and not get pushed around anymore.For me, basically from an instigator point of view I'd just like to see us target players as we have with Ablett etc. Doesn't need to go beyond that.
Don't care for jumper punches, stomach punches, the stuff Mumford does etc.
However if one of our players goes down I expect the team to remonstrate - seeing Lamb get knocked out, Plowman winded etc. while our senior players do nothing is embarrassing. Credit to our junior guys who are finally breaking this trend.
The bloke with the most amount of mongrel we have hasn't been mentioned. You people.... JED LAMB. You want players with a bit of s**t in them? Look no further. I reckon the guy is so used to being combative that he talks s**t about himself in his sleep.
But in any case, I find the whole topic to be lame. Everyone is different. Some players with the attitude of Lamb as described above are great for a team to have, but otherwise, the standard rules apply: play hard, play fair, and don't take s**t from the opposition. Job done.
I am a monk - a mongrel monk.Try Viagra.
I know you're not being literal, but being able to punch has no relevance. The mongrel a footy team needs is totally different. You watch Lamb closely - he's the sort of player who follows through an extra 10% on every tackle, just because he wants to put a bit more hurt on and be the big dog. He's one of the first to get involved in argy and never takes a backward step. He's not going to run through anyone at his size but that's only one part of being hard at it. It's a mentality. And he has it.Lamb couldn't punch a hole in a wet bag mate - I like his hassling though he is a hassler, but cant back it up with mongrel - no hurt in his hassling..pffft