Paddy Ryder vs Tom Williams

[GrandBlue]

I always thought these two players were similar, because they somewhat play the same position. Anyway, who would you rather have on your team out of Patty Ryder from Essendon or Tom Williams from the Dogs?

Discuss, I'm not one to debate here, just curious.

 

[DoubleO7]

Re: Patty Ryder vs Tom Williams

Tom Williams. Can actually shut down a forward. Built like a tank.
Better comparison would be N Brown vs T Williams.

 

[doggiesin08]

Re: Patty Ryder vs Tom Williams

lol Williams is far better and given Williams lack of games I reckon I've probably watched the same number of full games of Ryder and Williams but probably double the minutes of Ryder (watching half of an Essendon match here and there).

You'd rather Ryder on your list because of Williams injury history but in your team on match day Williams is a far better option.

 

[Smyth94]

Re: Patty Ryder vs Tom Williams

Tom Williams. Can actually shut down a forward. Built like a tank.
Better comparison would be N Brown vs T Williams.

lol Williams is far better and given Williams lack of games I reckon I've probably watched the same number of full games of Ryder and Williams but probably double the minutes of Ryder (watching half of an Essendon match here and there).

You'd rather Ryder on your list because of Williams injury history but in your team on match day Williams is a far better option.

lolza!

When Williams can actually get on the park and start performing anywhere near the level of Paddy then get back to me.

He's simply not at the same level at the moment.

 

[raskolnikov]

Re: Patty Ryder vs Tom Williams

Of course Williams is better than Paddy Ryder's twin sister. He's not a patch on Paddy but.

 

[tazhawk]

Williams by a fair way.

As a Hawk member I can only dream that silly Mathew Knights plays Ryder on Buddy again in 2009.

 

[always right]

Stupid thread with some stupid responses.

Whilst William's potential is huge, it is just that.......potential. Until he gets on the park on a regular basis Ryder has to be classed as better.

Let's hope this is Tom's year. He deserves a change of fortune.

 

[GrandBlue]

Reading William's article on the Dogs Site, it seems he is going to do the best he can in order to not get injured again next year, though, that doesn't change much, I can picture he has a lot of confidence in him.

Anyway, I haven't seen Ryder play much, from what I hear, he's quite a nifty player but out of the matches I have seen him in, he does a good job but eh, doesn't seem strong enough. Sure, he took on Andreajs Everitt but that's not saying much. I'll watch more replays of him but from what I've seen from both players, I think Williams is better.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Tom Williams easily. Very talented backman who can match it with the best.

I rate Ryder but he is massively over hyped. There's still a long way for him to go. His performance on Nick Gill against Adelaide is exactly what I'm referring to.

 

[Smyth94]

Tom Williams easily. Very talented backman who can match it with the best.

I rate Ryder but he is massively over hyped. There's still a long way for him to go. His performance on Nick Gill against Adelaide is exactly what I'm referring to.

Wow a 20 year old key defender having a poor game in a side that leaked I50's like a sieve.

Williams has had a handy few games but is riding on his potential to become a good player.

In the one breath you say that Williams can match it with the very best (a couple of good games) and then say Ryder is massively over hyped when he has played two full seasons "matching it with the very best"

Strange logic...BTW who has Williams "beaten" or broken even with? Curious...

 

[Smyth94]

Williams by a fair way.

As a Hawk member I can only dream that silly Mathew Knights plays Ryder on Buddy again in 2009.

Hey mate...name me one defender that would beat Buddy one-on-one with the entire F50 left wide open and your midfield dominating?

There must be a long list

 

[Blue Dimension]

Wow a 20 year old key defender having a poor game in a side that leaked I50's like a sieve.

Had nothing to do about the ball being pummelled into the 50 - his efforts were lack luster, and there have been several times where these have been ignored.

Williams has had a handy few games

Understatement. When he's been fit he's been a massive cog of the Bulldog backline.

In the one breath you say that Williams can match it with the very best (a couple of good games)

He's had more than a couple of good games. He's been very consistent when pulling on the Bulldog jumper, and has rarely been beaten.

and then say Ryder is massively over hyped when he has played two full seasons "matching it with the very best"

Matching it with the very best? Not quite, in fact far from it.

Like i said, i rate Ryder, but Williams imho, is the better player.

Strange logic...BTW who has Williams "beaten" or broken even with? Curious...

I'll leave that to the Doggies supporters who will be better able to answer that question than myself.

I don't want to get into a long and draining discussion about this anyway, in the end i believe Williams is the better player and would take him ahead of Ryder if i had a choice - that's all.

 

[tazhawk]

Hey mate...name me one defender that would beat Buddy one-on-one with the entire F50 left wide open and your midfield dominating?

There must be a long list

Chris Langford.

 

[eth-dog]

From what I've seen, Williams is an injury-proned CHB, and Ryder is a country mile ahead of him at this point in time I don't know Tommies scalps, but for Ryder notably:

Mooney(round 2): had two on him in an onslaught by Geelong, on an experienced CHF

Fevola(part of round three): when on him didn't leak a goal, Mal got all 8 on him

Nick Riewoldt(Round 5): The AA CHF barely had an impact against us in round 5, Ryder doing a great job on him.

Can't name the rest right now, but a gun.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

As a Doggies supporter I am happy to have Williams on our list in preference to Ryder and believe that Williams will prove to be the superior defender mainly due to superior body strength to go with terrific athleticism.

However,his injury history has held him back.

I believe Ryder will be an excellent player but he will rely more on an ability to read the play as he probably will be found wanting when playing body on body.

 

[shaolinmastah]

Tough to call. I'd say Paddy Ryder at the moment because he has the runs on the board. In saying that I think Tom Williams could become better if he ever gets onto the park for a whole year. Our defence is far more effective with him on the ground.

 

[thebigboy]

Im not gunna comment on Williams as ive hardly seen him play.

On Paddy Ryder, he's a guy thats still learning to play in defence in a side which at the moment allows a lot of inside 50's.

He's been given some big jobs, in some cases ie. Franklin, he's been killed. Yet it's convienent to forget the fact that he beat Brown and Riewoldt earlier in the year.

He's 21, undersized and learning a completely foreign position, meaning he's gunna have times were he looks well and truely out of his depth, and there's gunna be times where he's gunna look like a superstar.

His performance on Nick Gill was substandard. He looked like he wanted to get to the end of the season and was beaten. Also worthwhile to note that the delivery that day was nothing short of perfect.

 

[doggiesin08]

Strange logic...BTW who has Williams "beaten" or broken even with? Curious...

lol you obviously havn't seen much of him. He beat Buddy this year. Buddy kicked 5 but 3 of them were from Williams getting the ball and running off only for one of our midfielders (I remember Cross and Addison as 2 culprits) handballing it straight to Hawthorn midfielders who put it to Buddy all alone in the goal square. Having watched a lot of the Hawks I'd say it was the 2nd or 3rd best job on Buddy this season with Maxie probably doing the a slightly better job for St Kilda. FWIW Williams won the one-on-ones that day by double.

 

[Burzum]

This is Ryder's first ever year playing on a teams key forward, and his second year as a defender ever. He had not played defence until last season where he was taking the oppositions third tall. Our midfield isn't very impressive at the moment and the amount of inside 50's it gives up is depressing. None of them push back to help our defenders out either.

While Paddy has had some bags kicked on him he's still shown that he could be an impressive defender.

 

[Smyth94]

lol you obviously havn't seen much of him. He beat Buddy this year. Buddy kicked 5 but 3 of them were from Williams getting the ball and running off only for one of our midfielders (I remember Cross and Addison as 2 culprits) handballing it straight to Hawthorn midfielders who put it to Buddy all alone in the goal square. Having watched a lot of the Hawks I'd say it was the 2nd or 3rd best job on Buddy this season with Maxie probably doing the a slightly better job for St Kilda. FWIW Williams won the one-on-ones that day by double.

Dude...Buddy kicked like 5 goals in a team that got spanked in the middle, the ball barely went down there.

Williams gets a lot of protection from the Dog's super midfield, whilst Ryder has to endure wave after wave of attack - its hard to judge when one plays for a super team and the other plays for an average team

 

[Smyth94]

Had nothing to do about the ball being pummelled into the 50 - his efforts were lack luster, and there have been several times where these have been ignored.

I agree that particular game was poor and he played like a "millionaire" but why focus on one specific game? I can give you countless examples where he's been exceptional

Understatement. When he's been fit he's been a massive cog of the Bulldog backline.

Relevance? Ryder would easily be in our top 5 important players considering we don't have many proven options down back. The Dogs have Lake and Morris as AA quality defenders.

He's had more than a couple of good games. He's been very consistent when pulling on the Bulldog jumper, and has rarely been beaten.

Apart from the Buddy massacre, this year Paddy has only really been toweled up by O'Loughlin and Gill, he has taken on forwards such as Reiwoldt, Murphy, Mooney, Fevola (short stint), Hale etc and has either broken even or beaten them, he played all 22 games this season (which was his first taking the best tall) and was top 5 for spoils in the AFL - thats consistency.

Until Williams can strike a season together, using the word consistency does not apply.

Matching it with the very best? Not quite, in fact far from it.

Like i said, i rate Ryder, but Williams imho, is the better player

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If you don't consider Fevola, Reiwoldt, Brown et al the 'very best' then I don't know who is to be honest...

 

[Bubba_5]

When Williams is on the park the Dogs are a substantially better side and he has the ability to shut down his opponent with exceptional strength and speed. What people forget when comparing key defenders is what they do on the flip-side - the attacking side - of things. Williams is damaging with his run, marking and rebound ability. Ryder is not. There's the difference for you.

 

[1 Million]

I have alot of respect for Paddy as a player......The only Don with genuine talent. the rest r all talk no action .............

 

[bomberstomake8]

When Williams is on the park the Dogs are a substantially better side and he has the ability to shut down his opponent with exceptional strength and speed. What people forget when comparing key defenders is what they do on the flip-side - the attacking side - of things. Williams is damaging with his run, marking and rebound ability. Ryder is not. There's the difference for you.

beleive it or not coaches generally assign particular roles to particular players, some players are told to leave their opponents in order to generate an attack from the defensive 50, essendon has had countless numbers of those including nash, dempsey, myers, reimers, houli, fletcher, NLM and i could go on, ryder is told to mark a key forward and restrict his influence. if you have ever seen ryder play you would know he is naturally attacking, he cant help it if it isnt his job to attack.

the difference between the two is ryder has the runs on the board and even though williams could possibly be a very good defender ryder still has a lot more potential then him

 

[doggiesin08]

Dude...Buddy kicked like 5 goals in a team that got spanked in the middle, the ball barely went down there.

Williams gets a lot of protection from the Dog's super midfield, whilst Ryder has to endure wave after wave of attack - its hard to judge when one plays for a super team and the other plays for an average team

Dude...Watch the whole game and then come back to me. Buddy is a freak and I love watching him play but Williams smashed him that day. He won the one-on-ones by DOUBLE!, that has little to do with midfield dominance.