Player Watch Pick #14 (2019) - Miles Bergman

[Visenfest]

Hardly comparable. Butters is worth 3 first rounders which we won’t get. But we will get even less for Bergman. So instead of a late first rounder that we will get nobody with….i would rather take a chance on ugle hagan who can be a gun forward..just needs a Alberton attitude adjustment.

Have you seen the attitude at Alberton lately?

 

[Spadge]

JUH will end up at Sydney by the sound of it.

Peter Ladhams as a mentor?

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I don't give a **** if a player parties all day or plays fortnight if they deliver on the footy field.

Every great sporting teams that you could think of had divas.

 

[davesnothere]

I don't give a **** if a player parties all day or plays fortnight if they deliver on the footy field.

Every great sporting teams that you could think of had divas.

In 2025 how long do non professional players last.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I don't give a **** if a player parties all day or plays fortnight if they deliver on the footy field.

Every great sporting teams that you could think of had divas.

At least Ben Cousins lifted trophies

 

[Portology]

Nah picking the nice guys hasn’t worked for us. We need the best footballers the nastier the better. Crazy, ruthless and above all aggressive are the guys I want in the team. All the caring, sensitive niceness makes me spew.

show us your Port Madelaide 22 - start a thread!

 

[Portology]

Its closer to South American imports.

this is sadly extremely true

 

[gbear]

Probably ugleagan this year for Bergman and Butters free agent next is what the media will probably say.

Port need to stay the **** away from him.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

It was stated once again on Gettable that Port's offer to Bergman will be the most lucrative deal compared to what the Vic clubs are going to be offering.

It all comes down to whether the $$ is enticing enough for Bergman to stay on either a 2 year deal with a trigger for a further 6 to 7 year deal which can be activated at any point during the 2 years, take up the whole 8 to 9 years or go home on less $$ but be surrounded by friends and family.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I reckon our offer is way overs. Hes good but he isnt top 10 in the league good. Leaning towards the cost isnt worth it.

 

[Addy23]

I reckon our offer is way overs. Hes good but he isnt top 10 in the league good. Leaning towards the cost isnt worth it.

The cost of what? The salary cap? Its 100% worth. He's a top 4 player at the club given his consistency and quality of performances. Deserves to be paid that way. Rozee is on about 1.1m a year, Butters' offers is over 1.6 million a year. JHF signed on at 800k for 6 years when he started and there's no rush to extend him because he's never going to leave. The next two in line are Bergman and Georgiades. I believe Bergman's offer is 1 - 1.1m and in my eyes thats absolutely worth it in the current market. 1 million now is what 700k used to be.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I reckon our offer is way overs. Hes good but he isnt top 10 in the league good. Leaning towards the cost isnt worth it.

Top 10 in the league is $1.4m+.

He aint getting that from Port. He will get $1m from Port, $1.2m+ from StK and and Geelong will only give him $800k max.

25 players in 2024 were paid $1m+. it will be double that in 2026.

In 2026 if Port pay Bergman $1m he will be the 3rd million dollar man at Port, behind Rozee and Butters. JHF got screwed on a long term deal that doesn't kick in to $1m until the last year in his 6 year deal, if at all given it was reported as a $4m deal.

 

[Addy23]

Top 10 in the league is $1.4m+.

He aint getting that from Port. He will get $1m from Port, $1.2m+ from StK and and Geelong will only give him $800k max.

25 players in 2024 were paid $1m+. it will be double that in 2026.

In 2026 if Port pay Bergman $1m he will be the 3rd million dollar man at Port, behind Rozee and Butters. JHF got screwed on a long term deal that doesn't kick in to $1m until the last year in his 6 year deal, if at all given it was reported as a $4m deal.

St Kilda do not want to offer 1.2m though thats the thing, Port for now have played this beautifully because they have offered Bergman 1.1m ish and will offer NWM the same if he wants to come. Which shows that the two of them are valued the same by the club. But if Saints did that then they lose any leverage of them trying to get more than just a straight swap.

 

[Jonts]

Cal Twomey again mentioning on gettable that port have the most $$ in front of him

 

[Skindy]

Is our salary cap becoming unbalanced. Feels like we are going down the Carlton path of offering mega $ to our top end and then spending minimal on the bottom 3/4 of our list. Makes it difficult to attract those B graders you need to fill out your team with to be a finals competitor. Our depth is shite

 

[Chrizzt]

I reckon our offer is way overs. Hes good but he isnt top 10 in the league good. Leaning towards the cost isnt worth it.

Yeah they are talking about deals that should be reserved for the elite gamebreakers. Bergs is (or at least strongly tracking to be) a very good player - but he's no gamebreaker.

 

[The Hobo]

I reckon our offer is way overs. Hes good but he isnt top 10 in the league good. Leaning towards the cost isnt worth it.

You severely under-rate Bergman. He's 23 so still coming into his prime, and has shown so much potential. I been saying from the start, this guy has what it takes to go to the very top. I'd have in our top 5 for importance, as well as for ability.

We should comfortably have the sapce in our cap to pay him what he wants, as aside from Butters, JHF and Rozee - who exactly is eating up our cap? MG perhaps in the near future is the only one that can command decent money. Nobody else is in that 'star' category or shown signs of ever becoming someone capable of being a 'star' that would command big money.

We may be paying slightly over market for him, but not by a lot, and we can afford it. Why not.

 

[The Hobo]

Yeah they are talking about deals that should be reserved for the elite gamebreakers. Bergs is (or at least strongly tracking to be) a very good player - but he's no gamebreaker.

At 23, he's showing signs of becoming a gamebreaker. He may not have burst onto the scene like Butters and Rozee, but he's certainly making moves now. If he continues on his current trajectory, he will be right up there with the rest of them.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Is our salary cap becoming unbalanced. Feels like we are going down the Carlton path of offering mega $ to our top end and then spending minimal on the bottom 3/4 of our list. Makes it difficult to attract those B graders you need to fill out your team with to be a finals competitor. Our depth is shite

I think the whole league is going this way.

 

[Chrizzt]

At 23, he's showing signs of becoming a gamebreaker. He may not have burst onto the scene like Butters and Rozee, but he's certainly making moves now. If he continues on his current trajectory, he will be right up there with the rest of them.

No, to be a gamebreaker you need to be an offensive threat. Bergman is a terrible kick. From wheelo ratings he has a kick retention rating of -7.2 which is 17th worst out of all mids and general defenders to have played at least 10 games this year (which is a pool of 179 players).

He's 24 years old and it's his 6th year in the AFL. He has a little bit of scope for development in terms of consistency but at this stage it's very safe to say what you see is what you get.

 

[Addy23]

No, to be a gamebreaker you need to be an offensive threat. Bergman is a terrible kick. From wheelo ratings he has a kick retention rating of -7.2 which is 17th worst out of all mids and general defenders to have played at least 10 games this year (which is a pool of 179 players).

He's 24 years old and it's his 6th year in the AFL. He has a little bit of scope for development in terms of consistency but at this stage it's very safe to say what you see is what you get.

The side of Bergman we haven't seen yet is his ability to go forward and impact by being a genuine marking threat. Showed huge signs in u18s and his marking is clearly strong as seen when he's played defence. That's the next scope of improvement for him but it's not possible unless he completely stops playing in defence.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Is our salary cap becoming unbalanced. Feels like we are going down the Carlton path of offering mega $ to our top end and then spending minimal on the bottom 3/4 of our list. Makes it difficult to attract those B graders you need to fill out your team with to be a finals competitor. Our depth is shite

It compounds even more when getting SA players home of any skill level. We have to pay overs just to get average players back as there isn't enough SA players in the AFL system to devalue the market.

The Vic teams have it way too easy in terms of bargaining for trades.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Top 10 in the league is $1.4m+.

He aint getting that from Port. He will get $1m from Port, $1.2m+ from StK and and Geelong will only give him $800k max.

25 players in 2024 were paid $1m+. it will be double that in 2026.

In 2026 if Port pay Bergman $1m he will be the 3rd million dollar man at Port, behind Rozee and Butters. JHF got screwed on a long term deal that doesn't kick in to $1m until the last year in his 6 year deal, if at all given it was reported as a $4m deal.

Does JHFs manager demand that be renegotiated or is it a shit sandwich he needs to eat until the next contract?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Does JHFs manager demand that be renegotiated or is it a shit sandwich he needs to eat until the next contract?

That's what happens when you leave after 12 months of being drafted and the club wants to lock you in for 6 years. He got paid the standard $120k + CBA listed bonuses in his first year at Port as part of his standard 2 year contract.

If the average is $700k per year over 6 years he will be on $1mil by year 5 or 6 of the contract. Wont be too many other players from his draft year and the next couple that will be on $1m+ by their 5th or 6th year.

 

[#Port Patriot#]

Port would have the salary. Boak retires, soldo gone, Finlayson gone, Ratkins gone who would of been on about 500k port had to take on, plus others gone and bare in mind ports list is still one of the youngest lists even though the Vic media just never want to point that out so I think they'll be fine with giving players like Rozee, Butters, Bergs and even NWM good coin plus others on good coin too.