Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[footyfan1978]

You clearly know little about footy history.

Yeah, he did not even get there was Westar league and VSFL too

 

[doppleganger]

We’ve won an AFL final wearing them.
We’ve worn them against Carlton playing in Adelaide.
We’ve worn them against Bulldogs playing in Melbourne.
Our highest winning margin in a Showdown was in this guernsey.

This isn’t going away.

#thinedgeofthewedge

Exactly, Collingwood actually helping out a fellow Magpie by respecting request for "heritage" and "anniversary" games and then somehow Port want to then dictate what they wear in away games.

It will go away, and it will be the AFL telling em to GAGF, and leave the SANFL heritage back in the SANFL.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

This thread is sh*t enough without devolving into arguing about which premiership won 100 years ago is more relevant.

The bars do have a strong SANFL heritage, but we're not asking to wear them because of that, we're asking to wear them because they have a strong Port Adelaide heritage.

It's ok, many of the arguments are purely about Vic superiority, and nothing to do with the fact that Port Adelaide are the only club in the AFL that have a club history that they aren't allowed to draw upon in the AFL. Living in Melbourne, I think it's an ignorance thing basically.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Exactly, Collingwood actually helping out a fellow Magpie by respecting request for "heritage" and "anniversary" games and then somehow Port want to then dictate what they wear in away games.

It will go away, and it will be the AFL telling em to GAGF, and leave the SANFL heritage back in the SANFL.

Collingwood said no to all these requests, apart from maybe 2007, but that was only because they believed they were underhandedly getting Port to sign away the rights to wear the bars in the future. We all know they said no to these requests because of how Eddie acts every time the issue is raised.

It's just that occasionally the AFL tell Collingwood to suck it up, but allow Collingwood the public perception of control to save face.

Port dictating what playing strip they wear like every other major professional sports team in the world isn't the outrage you're portraying here.

 

[El_Scorcho]

It's ok, many of the arguments are purely about Vic superiority, and nothing to do with the fact that Port Adelaide are the only club in the AFL that have a club history that they aren't allowed to draw upon in the AFL. Living in Melbourne, I think it's an ignorance thing basically.

There are a few arguments in this thread that are pretty easy to ignore.

Anything about Port being a new or different club for the AFL. Any argument with an opposition supporter telling us what our heritage is. Any opposition club supporter telling us that we should prefer a different guernsey design for whatever reason.

The Vic superiority argument - that Collingwood have a divine right to dictate to us what we can wear because they were here first - is at least just a dumb opinion, and not flat out ignoring well established facts or telling Port supporters what they should like.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

Collingwood said no to all these requests, apart from maybe 2007, but that was only because they believed they were underhandedly getting Port to sign away the rights to wear the bars in the future. We all know they said no to these requests because of how Eddie acts every time the issue is raised.

It's just that occasionally the AFL tell Collingwood to suck it up, but allow Collingwood the public perception of control to save face.

Port dictating what playing strip they wear like every other major professional sports team in the world isn't the outrage you're portraying here.

The argument about a "closed" competition meaning this is ok compared to "open relegation / promotion / continental" sports like Euro soccer doesn't even hold water.

The colour schemes of the NBA / NFL teams in the US have sometimes 3 teams with EXACTLY the same colour mix, down to the Pantone detail.

It's purely a VFL superiority thing with Collingwood/AFL - agree with Eddie however that it will basically need a court case to open this up.

 

[Alex09]

Exactly, Collingwood actually helping out a fellow Magpie by respecting request for "heritage" and "anniversary" games and then somehow Port want to then dictate what they wear in away games.

It will go away, and it will be the AFL telling em to GAGF, and leave the SANFL heritage back in the SANFL.

I reckon it won't go away. It's going to get to the point at Port AFL games that the whole supporter base is decked in black and white only. It's the way the wheel is starting to turn and once it reaches a certain tipping point it's going to be a bit of a image problem for the AFL if they won't compromise. The supporter base is galvanising and digging their heels in more because of that lack of any concession.

 

[Scotland]

??
They jumped ship, the heritage and rivalry was with Norwood etc.

But are trying to claim the showdown has some special link to 'bars

* me you will jump on anything. If Norwood joined the comp tomorrow and Port wanted to wear the bars when the two teams play you'd be crying that it has nothing to do with the AFL.

They want to wear it in showdowns because they are all SA contests in SA. And Port's heritage before 1997 is in... SA.

Most people don't really care what one SA club wears when it plays another SA club in a game of footy in SA.

Ed's Kool Aid drinkers on the other hand revert to the same old tired nonsense.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

I reckon it won't go away. It's going to get to the point at Port AFL games that the whole supporter base is decked in black and white only. It's the way the wheel is starting to turn and once it reaches a certain tipping point it's going to be a bit of a image problem for the AFL if they won't compromise. The supporter base is galvanising and digging their heels in more because of that lack of any concession.

Herald Sun website reporting exactly that this afternoon.

 

[Chief]

Question is always deflected and never answered.
Was Richmonds 1974 Premiership a better achievement than Port winning in 1977 or did they both win the State Football league cup in their state. How on earth is one better than the other?

Who did Port play against in 77?

 

[Pappagallo]

Exhibit GAA: The mature denizens of the Emerald Isle. It’s like a game of concentration!

 

[chooke]

Who did Port play against in 77?

Glenelg, Kane and Chad Cornes' dad's team.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Who did Port play against in 77?

Another SANFL club, what’s your point? My point is that it was a first tier premiership just as the VFL premier was and the WAFL premier the same year.

 

[doppleganger]

fu** me you will jump on anything. If Norwood joined the comp tomorrow and Port wanted to wear the bars when the two teams play you'd be crying that it has nothing to do with the AFL.

They want to wear it in showdowns because they are all SA contests in SA. And Port's heritage before 1997 is in... SA.

Most people don't really care what one SA club wears when it plays another SA club in a game of footy in SA.

Ed's Kool Aid drinkers on the other hand revert to the same old tired nonsense.

Read the tea leaves.

It isn't about the showdown.

Just as Port are now trying to push the fact that Collingwood was OK with them wearing the bars as part of the 150 year anniversary, then if the get the showdown it will be we want that as our sole jumper.

So it comes back to the simple point - are the AFL going to allow two teams play in Black n White stripes in the AFL.

Either let Port play in it full time, or tell em to drop it.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Glad to hear it. Many other posters who follow Victorian clubs in different forums have argued otherwise with me in the past.

No argument from me on the second part of your post. The Power, and a lot of their supporters, don't seem to understand that there are some of there own supporters that hate the prison bar jumper as they went for, and still do go for, other SANFL teams. Likewise, there are old Port Magpies fans in the SANFL that don't follow the Power. Predictably, a lot of their supporters on this forum will howl me down, purely because I am a Crows supporter.

Its not that your a Crows supporters, its just that you are objectively wrong as has been shown numerous times by club membership data.

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[parano1a]

My point is that it was a first tier premiership just as the VFL premier was and the WAFL premier the same year.

If you really believe this was the case, how many Victorian superstars moved interstate to play in the SANFL or WAFL? Surely teams from other states would have been applying to join the SANFL or WAFL?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Point is Collingwood have only ever been black n white stripes & Magpies. Collingwood players and fans only ever identify with the BnW stripes.

There are Port premiership heroes like Stuart Dew that actually were playing against the 'Bars and won an SANFL premiership for Centrals when a listed Port player!!

Here is Dew celebrating two premierships whilst a listed AFL Port Adelaide player....where are the 'Bars?

The 'Bars belong with the SANFL Port Magpies...AFL, nup ain't part of the Port AFL identity.

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Bucks, a real Magpie legend

He didn't want a bar of the Power

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Not here to troll (you may think otherwise), but this whole history thing has been a little inconsistent from Port of the journey.

Ultimately it was the Port who wanted to abandon the SANFL after a hundred years and join the AFL, hence the Crows were formed representing all SANFL clubs.

When Port did they join the AFL, they started a new, separate club called the Port Adelaide Power, abandoning the "Magpies and colours" even sending a message to all their new members they were a distinctly different club to the Port Adelaide Magpies. They then booted the Magpies out of their home base at Alberton and shipped them down the road to Ethelton.

It was only a few years ago when the traditional Magpies were bankrupt and about to go into administration that the Power took them over and now they were 'one club' with hundreds of years of history.

No doubt their roots are from Alberton (reason why the majority of SA people don't support them), but it was Port who abandoned the 100 years of SANFL history, their own pylon guernsey, not prison bar, when they decided to move competition.

I don't see the reason why they should wear the pylon jumper only for the game v the Crows. If it's your heritage, wear it every week. If you've made a contractual arrangement to say you won't wear it, well that's the bed you've made.

Wrong.

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[Enviable Tradition]

Bucks, a real Magpie legend

He didn't want a bar of the Power

Ask him what was the best year of his life.

Or what jumper he felt the best wearing.

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[greatwhiteshark]

If you really believe this was the case, how many Victorian superstars moved interstate to play in the SANFL or WAFL? Surely teams from other states would have been applying to join the SANFL or WAFL?

Because the VFL were offering money they didn’t have. The VFL was the strongest of the 3 big leagues which again everyone knows but it doesn’t change they were all top tier footy status. Population takes care of funding and depth of comp.
All 3 Grand Finals played on the same day, each State totally embraced their own state league GF and eventual premier. No one cared about some other comp thousands of miles away.

Based on what you are implying the EPL is 1st tier, and the German and Spanish leagues are second tier. Or are they all top tier leagues with one being stronger than another?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

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What were all those people doing watching a second tier comp? Lol

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Bucks, a real Magpie legend

He didn't want a bar of the Power

Serious question did he want to go to Collingwood because they were black and white just like Port were?

 

[doppleganger]

If you really believe this was the case, how many Victorian superstars moved interstate to play in the SANFL or WAFL? Surely teams from other states would have been applying to join the SANFL or WAFL?

Len Fitzgerald was an example.

He left Collingwood in 1951, stupid Pies wouldn't give him a decent job, and he went to SA and then won 3 Margarey Medals.

Not sure what that says about quality of SANFL compared to VFL though?

 

[Captain_Bender]

Question is always deflected and never answered.
Was Richmonds 1974 Premiership a better achievement than Port winning in 1977 or did they both win the State Football league cup in their state. How on earth is one better than the other?

Seeing that Richmond in 1974 absolutely dominated the SANFL premier in the Championship of Australia game, there is no doubt that Richmond 1974 > Port Adelaide 1977