Review Positives and Negatives - UP THE BLOODY COASTERS EDITION - Rd 13

[wce4premiership]

Really enjoyed JK calling his own kick. Has a bright future career in commentary if this is anything to go by.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

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[Farang83150]

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Lovn this

 

[bzparkes]

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Saw that. Looks like Simmo actually does want the players to win contested ball after all.

 

[Ochre]

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[jesterwester]

Ryan’s kick was measured at 14.5m according to AFL 360. So just short, would have been called play on in the defensive 50 but no umpire is calling that less than 15.

 

[Wosh]

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So sumg

 

[HoneyBadger35]

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Another key thing here is the use of differential.

People get hung up on raw stats, but fail to take into account the speed of the game. The Eagles game plan is often more slow and methodical than others, which leads to fewer available possessions in the game, fewer inside 50s etc.

Take inside 50s. We’re 15th in inside 50s per game, ahead of only Collingwood, North and Hawthorn. So we’re s**t at getting it inside 50, right?

Well, not quite. Looking at the differentials, we average 0.5 more inside fifties per game than our opponents, ninth in the league. Not saying that’s elite by any stretch, but ninth is certainly better than 15th, and going in more than your opponent is better than not.

Similarly, we average the ninth most clearances in footy but we actually outdo our opponents more often than not, and are fifth in differential.

Differential is far more important than the raw data.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Differential is far more important than the raw data.

You won me over. Never had it explained like that.

Cheers

 

[Magnum27]

Agree with all the positives.

I said it in the game day thread, and i hope they consider it and he wants to go again, but gee i hope Kennedy is up for another year, just play him in Perth only until finals time, i'm sure he can handle that.

 

[Wosh]

This is a Certified Legendary Thread if ever I’ve seen one
The whole world should be like this thread.

 

[Bender_]

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It's been a rough day for Melbourne supporters.

 

[Bender_]

Ryan’s kick was measured at 14.5m according to AFL 360. So just short, would have been called play on in the defensive 50 but no umpire is calling that less than 15.

Did they honestly measure it out? *en pathetic if they did. Maybe they can put their results in a time machine and mail it back to someone that gives a *.

 

[whatis]

When I saw Simmo smiling when we were down on the replay my legit thought was: this guy is psychotic. He is insane; he has actually lost his mind. Love it.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ryan’s kick was measured at 14.5m according to AFL 360. So just short, would have been called play on in the defensive 50 but no umpire is calling that less than 15.

Well how about that than. I thought it looked shorter than 14.5.

So a 50cm bad call not as bad as the sooks have been making out. Lol!

 

[Priddis Is Done]

When I saw Simmo smiling when we were down on the replay my legit thought was: this guy is psychotic. He is insane; he has actually lost his mind. Love it.

I noticed it live.

Balls of steel

 

[amazingjoshy]

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[Obeanie1]

I think Richmond would be more unaccustomed to playing WCE in Perth , it`s unbelievable the MCG bias they have v WCE in the AFL fixturing ..

Eagles should play Richmond twice every season, none of this once a season crap.

 

[Obeanie1]

The number of Richmond throws that went unpenalised was staggering. The most obvious one was Pickett's throw in the WC forward pocket late in the last quarter Which would have resulted in a shot on goals.

On two occassions I think it was Coleman-Jones, Nic ran past him at a throw in and CJ had a handful of jumper and shorts pulled away from the body. It was clear as day free.....twice.......but ignored.

 

[jesterwester]

Another key thing here is the use of differential.

People get hung up on raw stats, but fail to take into account the speed of the game. The Eagles game plan is often more slow and methodical than others, which leads to fewer available possessions in the game, fewer inside 50s etc.

Take inside 50s. We’re 15th in inside 50s per game, ahead of only Collingwood, North and Hawthorn. So we’re sh*t at getting it inside 50, right?

Well, not quite. Looking at the differentials, we average 0.5 more inside fifties per game than our opponents, ninth in the league. Not saying that’s elite by any stretch, but ninth is certainly better than 15th, and going in more than your opponent is better than not.

Similarly, we average the ninth most clearances in footy but we actually outdo our opponents more often than not, and are fifth in differential.

Differential is far more important than the raw data.

I agree.

Stats can tell you lots of things, but they often do need to be viewed in context.

Take hit outs and clearances for example.

Example 1
Player A, let’s call him Jim Jaitanui, wins the centre bounce hit out, to a running midfielder, who we will call Luke Boots.
Luke boots runs away clear and hits the leading forward who then goals on a set shot from 30m directly in front.

Example 2
Player B wins a ruck contest in the middle. We will call him Jim Jawn. He taps it to the feet of the midfielder, (we will call him Oliver Twist) who is good enough to take possession but with little space can only rush a quick snap out which is easily intercepted.

Now if you looked at both of those by the stats only, you would see both ruckman had a hit out to advantage, and both teams recorded a centre clearance. You would conclude that both ruckman are equal. But that’s clearly not the case.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Did they honestly measure it out? fu**en pathetic if they did. Maybe they can put their results in a time machine and mail it back to someone that gives a fu**.

Nah, they do it for all the "controversial" 15m calls late in games. 14.5m is not a miss though. Can't complain if that's called 15.

 

[wce4premiership]

I agree.

Stats can tell you lots of things, but they often do need to be viewed in context.

Take hit outs and clearances for example.

Example 1
Player A, let’s call him Jim Jaitanui, wins the centre bounce hit out, to a running midfielder, who we will call Luke Boots.
Luke boots runs away clear and hits the leading forward who then goals on a set shot from 30m directly in front.

Example 2
Player B wins a ruck contest in the middle. We will call him Jim Jawn. He taps it to the feet of the midfielder, (we will call him Oliver Twist) who is good enough to take possession but with little space can only rush a quick snap out which is easily intercepted.

Now if you looked at both of those by the stats only, you would see both ruckman had a hit out to advantage, and both teams recorded a centre clearance. You would conclude that both ruckman are equal. But that’s clearly not the case.

I have thought about this a lot, how to quantify the quality of Naitanui's hitouts to advantage.

You'd need something like "metres gained without opponent pressure post hitout" or something along those lines. His hitouts to advantage are sometimes more like hitouts to players who would otherwise have been screwed if not for his brilliance.

 

[RookiePick]

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Corn on the cobs will have nightmares about this gif

 

[THE A5]

Huddo nailed it when he said Jk is covered in glory. Last nights one was clearly the best of the two but how bout the arrogance on him to dob one on his left from 45m(on an angle too)

 

[Bender_]

Corn on the cobs will have nightmares about this gif

Looks like he could eat an apple through a picket fence.