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[Tulip]

Even guys like Goldy and Nic Nat are unlikely given they’re important cultural pillars for their team. You’re looking more at one of those random GWS ruckman they seem to accumulate like Flynn or Briggs moving

 

[Topkent]

Possibly but until players can be traded by clubs without their approval player for player trades mid season would be very hard to organise.

I would have thought whoever tries to initiate the trade is going to have to put a lot on the table. If someone comes to us mid season and says they want Tommo because they have no key defenders I wouldn’t trade him for less than pick 20. Whereas in off season you’d probably be happy to get pick 40.

With no list lodgements and draft coming up there’s not really an incentive to move a fringe player on.

Yeah I agree with Rude I think it really helps with Vets like Goldstein who wanted to stay loyal but maybe can see the end coming mid season might be able to see some finals action. I agree it would be overs in most trades tho.

Brisbane go to Jeremy McGovern and say look we need an intercept key back to get us over the line and WC are gonna rebuild and go through a shit end of the season.

 

[Tulip]

With Allen and Darling in west coasts forward 50 my read is, if Tomo is in Petty will play forward, if TMac is in Petty will be back to defense. be Tomo. Dont * up a good thing Goody.

Don’t think it’ll be either of them. Allen isn’t a huge threat, very much a case of unfulfilled promise at the minute. Could see us starting Hibberd on him with Lever helping, and having one of the two talls as sub for flexibility

 

[Topkent]

Even guys like Goldy and Nic Nat are unlikely given they’re important cultural pillars for their team. You’re looking more at one of those random GWS ruckman they seem to accumulate like Flynn or Briggs moving

Won't mean shit if they realise it's their last season

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Don’t think it’ll be either of them. Allen isn’t a huge threat, very much a case of unfulfilled promise at the minute. Could see us starting Hibberd on him with Lever helping, and having one of the two talls as sub for flexibility

I wouldnt mind that but I do think one of Tomo or Tmac will be named. Just my read, not saying thats how id do it.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Even guys like Goldy and Nic Nat are unlikely given they’re important cultural pillars for their team. You’re looking more at one of those random GWS ruckman they seem to accumulate like Flynn or Briggs moving

cultural pillars, done a lot for both those teams recently, imagine where they'd be without them?! oh wait, still in the bottom 4

 

[Proper Gander]

Top teams wouldnt trade out players, they'd only trade players in I reckon. Thats why there wouldnt be anywhere near the amount of trades you get in trade week at the end of the season, trades would only happen under a very specific set of circumstances.

I think it wouldn’t generate large numbers of trades too.

It is interesting in that you might have contending teams seek to trade in because of an injury gap or a form line issue in a particular position, and depending on the situation may well pay over. If it happened that way it gives the lower teams an opportunity to fast track a rebuild just a little by getting some capital. Theoretically supports the concept of equalisation better than any of the other stupid methods like compensation for free agents that the AFL has dreamed up

 

[Proper Gander]

Also how come I seem to be talking about mid-year trading in the round 4 preview?

Someone report me please

 

[Topkent]

Also how come I seem to be talking about mid-year trading in the round 4 preview?

Someone report me please

 

[Tulip]

cultural pillars, done a lot for both those teams recently, imagine where they'd be without them?! oh wait, still in the bottom 4

And we'd have stayed out of the finals if we hadn't booted Junior in 09 and let him play two more seasons.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

And we'd have stayed out of the finals if we hadn't booted Junior in 09 and let him play two more seasons.

James McDonald wasn't holding back the tide from this club becoming a basket case if he'd stayed. Melbourne supporters running with this as a turning point always makes me laugh.

 

[Topkent]

The way Bailey's team played in attack would have been perfect in this era. Just needed a solid coach with him to teach discipline

 

[SackLunch]

I’m dead against a mid-season trade period just to spite the footy media. campaigners like Hutchy would absolutely jizz in his jocks over it.

 

[Lampers]

Don’t think it’ll be either of them. Allen isn’t a huge threat, very much a case of unfulfilled promise at the minute. Could see us starting Hibberd on him with Lever helping, and having one of the two talls as sub for flexibility

Melbourne were happy to go with a shorter backline against Sydney. It also looked like Lever was playing a more accountable style and there was a bit more reliance on Rivers, McVee etc. to create a spare.

I think that’s smart because lots of opposition had worked out ways to nullify Lever last year. It might be more than just a weekly experiment but the new backline setup.

Franklin, Amartey and McDonald vs. Allen, Darling and Waterman.

West Coast’s forwards are smaller again, so I can’t see them bringing in Tomlinson if they were happy to play a shorter setup last week against a taller opposition.

BUT they had the bail out of moving Petty back in-game if the shorter backline didn’t work out.

That meant they were OK to run with a two talls forward line in Brown and van Rooyen, plus hybrid Fritsch, if that had moved Petty back.

If it’s just Brown out and Pickett in that would mean starting with Petty and van Rooyen plus hybrid Fritsch. From a Demonland training report Petty was practising set shots at goal so that suggests he will still be forward.

Maybe they are going to use this time with Gawn out to experiment more, try different looks and mixes in different parts of the ground? Turn a negative into a positive.

Finally Melbourne have been strange with their sub use so far. You’d either want a flexible player to cover for in-game injury (McDonald or Tomlinson I guess if they are going light on for talls in the starting 22) or someone to provide genuine run (Jordon). Melk provides neither.

 

[Topkent]

Bringing in an extra tall in defence against a team we should have 30 more inside 50s against would be such a bitch move.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Collingwood traded us Grundy who was in contract which could help us a win a premiership this year so do you hate that?

No, because we each decided what we wanted to go into the season with and are held to that. We paid what we thought he was worth (which admittedly was skewed by the size and length of his contract and meant we got him for unders).

I hate the idea of a bottom four team trading a good player mid-season to a team competing for a flag who have taken risks with their list and left themselves short in a particular position (e.g. Collingwood with rucks) yet can take advantage to trade in a player for a team who are looking for ways to get the number one draft pick. Leads to more dead rubbers and gives clubs a cop-out clause.

 

[Bluelegs]

If there was a mid season trade period I reckon you'd see bottom sides stock up on established depth players then price gouge them to top clubs with injuries.

 

[Topkent]

No, because we each decided what we wanted to go into the season with and are held to that. We paid what we thought he was worth (which admittedly was skewed by the size and length of his contract and meant we got him for unders).

I hate the idea of a bottom four team trading a good player mid-season to a team competing for a flag who have taken risks with their list and left themselves short in a particular position (e.g. Collingwood with rucks) yet can take advantage to trade in a player for a team who are looking for ways to get the number one draft pick. Leads to more dead rubbers and gives clubs a cop-out clause.

Collingwood didn't take any risks they had a horror run with injury, be like saying we should have traded in Goldstein to play reserves all year in case Grundy and Gawn went down. Besides Collingwood can take a ruck in the mid year draft so it already happens.

How does one player lead to more dead rubbers

 

[pjfairbairn]

Collingwood didn't take any risks they had a horror run with injury, be like saying we should have traded in Goldstein to play reserves all year in case Grundy and Gawn went down. Besides Collingwood can take a ruck in the mid year draft so it already happens.

How does one player lead to more dead rubbers

So let's leave it at that then, champ.

 

[Topkent]

So let's leave it at that then, champ.

Not before I leave your argument

 

[Proper Gander]

 

[Tulip]

Billy Frampton

17

Billy Frampton

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

0.7

3star

MG

99.0

2star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

99.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

107.0

2star

played a lot of ruck when he was at Port. Not sure why the Pies don't play him there and throw McStay back.

 

[schmuttt]

TMac and kozzy in for brown Jordon (omitted) Melksham (omitted). Jesus Jordon is stiff imo

 

[Dory_77]

TMac and kozzy in for brown Jordon (omitted) Melksham (omitted). Jesus Jordon is stiff imo

Agree, JJ had his best game in yonks, did his role well and was much more damaging than usual with the ball.

 

[mrmonkey]

JJ surely plays as sub